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Agents worried ATF program connected to Loughner gun
The Hill ^ | June 15, 2011 | Jordy Yager

Posted on 06/16/2011 7:23:11 AM PDT by SoonerStorm09

TUCSON, Ariz. - Federal agents were worried that the gun used to shoot Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.) in the head could have been part of the controversial “Fast and Furious” gun-tracking operation. They learned eventually that it had not, sources said.

The “Fast and Furious” operation was a program run by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) that authorized and monitored the sale of weapons to known and suspected straw purchasers for Mexican drug cartels with the stated goal of exposing and dismantling gun trafficking routes.

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) held a hearing on the mired program on Wednesday, during which ATF agents testified that they had been ordered to let guns “walk” into the hands of suspected and known criminals with little hope of ever seeing them again or being able to successfully track them to their final owners.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; batf; batfe; dumbprick; dupnik; fastandfurious; giffords; gun; gunwalker; incompetano; loughner; napolitano; shooting

1 posted on 06/16/2011 7:23:19 AM PDT by SoonerStorm09
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To: SoonerStorm09

What did Obama know and when did he know it?


2 posted on 06/16/2011 7:24:46 AM PDT by neodad (Don't Tap, Just Drill!)
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To: SoonerStorm09

Gee, I wonder who Gabby pi$$ed off at the ATF.


3 posted on 06/16/2011 7:25:38 AM PDT by apillar
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To: neodad
Where, Oh where is the media on this important story?

I know, they're busy reading Sarah Palin's e-Mails.

4 posted on 06/16/2011 7:27:08 AM PDT by eCSMaster (We will fight for America and it starts here in Madison, WI. It starts here. It starts now.)
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To: SoonerStorm09

Just exactly how do they know that the gun that shot giffords wasn’t one of the guns they pushed?

Just how?

Cuz if they know, then they know something about the guns they did push out there.


5 posted on 06/16/2011 7:34:38 AM PDT by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
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To: SoonerStorm09

I noticed that yesterday as one of many points in a document someone posted. No one seemed to pick up on it then, so I’m glad it got singled out for a story. If they indeed feared that, it might partially explain the rush to place blame elsewhere.


6 posted on 06/16/2011 7:46:53 AM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: Principled

The testimony from the agents yesterday estimated that 1/3 of all the guns “walked” was specifically bought for a user on the U.S. side of the border. That amounted to an estimated 600 to 800 guns given to known criminals for distribution into the U.S. Was this gun one of them? What was the serial number? Who was it originally sold to? Was it one of the known “straw” buyers the agents followed but were not allowed to stop


7 posted on 06/16/2011 7:49:24 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: eCSMaster

Barely a peep...


8 posted on 06/16/2011 7:49:36 AM PDT by jaydubya2
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To: SoonerStorm09

The dealers need to get together, via the NSSF, to produce a list of all the firearms sold at the BATFEs insistence to known gun smugglers.

Fast & Furious is directly responsible for the death of over 150 human beings.....nobody died from Watergate.


9 posted on 06/16/2011 7:58:16 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: SoonerStorm09

Heck. They all said it was Sarah Palin’s fault!


10 posted on 06/16/2011 7:58:20 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: SoonerStorm09
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11 posted on 06/16/2011 8:10:36 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: neodad
Even more important, what did Napolitano know and when did SHE know it?

SHE was the Governor of Arizona right before heading to Washington under Obama.

She also said:

“There is a perception that the border is worse now than it ever has been,” Napolitano said. “That is wrong. The border is better now than it ever has been.”

It’s also “wrong,” Napolitano said, that the drug-related violence in northern Mexico is spilling over into U.S. border cities. Violent crime rates in cities in the Southwest have stayed flat or fallen, she said. At the same time, she acknowledged, “there is much to do with colleagues in Mexico in respect to the drug cartels.”

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/51925.html#ixzz1PS2A3z6b

Border is better than ever, yet she didn't KNOW that Fast and Furious was going on? We truly have clueless showpieces at the top levels of Fed Gov with a whole lot of unelected second-tier "staffers" running the show.
12 posted on 06/16/2011 8:13:37 AM PDT by Eagle of Liberty ("You're a different kind of special..........")
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To: Principled
Just exactly how do they know that the gun that shot giffords wasn’t one of the guns they pushed?

Here's the part that I don't follow: This operation was about certain gun dealers being authorized to see guns to people who were allegedly known or suspected to be straw-purchasers for the Mexican cartels. That's the official line, anyway. So although which guns were actually involved is something the Feds should know... this is also about the "straw purchasers". Was Loughner on their list of people to sell to?

Hmm. Sounds like they're making this stuff up as they go.

13 posted on 06/16/2011 8:16:46 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Erik Latranyi

Good idea. Any idea who would pay them to do it?


14 posted on 06/16/2011 9:01:37 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: B4Ranch
Good idea. Any idea who would pay them to do it?

NSSF has decent funding. In this case, the NRA, GOA, JFPFO, etc should all be on deck, helping put the case together.

15 posted on 06/16/2011 10:02:49 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Erik Latranyi

I was hoping we could add something to the budget.


16 posted on 06/16/2011 10:10:42 AM PDT by B4Ranch (Allowing Islam into America is akin to injecting yourself with AIDS to prove how tolerant you are...)
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To: SoonerStorm09
From the article:

The gun allegedly used by Loughner was not purchased under the guidance of the program, according to law enforcement sources.

Not exactly a definitive answer on this question is it?

But then again, it’s not like they would LIE to us or something.

17 posted on 06/16/2011 10:23:07 AM PDT by BerserkPatriot (There are no 1st Amendment rights without 2nd Amendment Rights)
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To: neodad

Are they going to jail the final owner of the gun, even if he bought it legitimately through another store?


18 posted on 06/16/2011 10:49:51 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Eagle of Liberty
“Napolitano said. “That is wrong. The border is better now than it ever has been.”

How odd. I don't remember any signs in Arizona or elsewhere that warned of unsafe areas during the terms of Eisenhower, Kennedy ....etc. I do recall reading that illegals self-deported during Eisenhower's term, because he actually believed in actively enforcing the immigration laws.

19 posted on 06/16/2011 10:50:12 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: SoonerStorm09

Had Pima County Sheriff Clarence W. Dupnik provided security for the Gifford event, instead of chasing political boogeymen, lives could have been saved.


20 posted on 06/16/2011 11:00:56 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: SoonerStorm09

This was supposed to be the 21st Century Reichstag fire, that would FINALLY allow the Radical Dems to take your weapons away.


21 posted on 06/16/2011 11:15:13 AM PDT by tcrlaf (You can only lead a lib to the Truth, you can't make it think...)
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To: SoonerStorm09

WTH?


22 posted on 06/16/2011 11:39:38 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: neodad

23 posted on 06/16/2011 1:44:36 PM PDT by archy (I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous!)
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To: archy

bttt


24 posted on 06/17/2011 12:25:28 PM PDT by arrogantsob (Why do They hate her so much?)
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