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Having no government may not be such a bad thing
Daniel Hannan/UK The Telegraph ^ | June 15, 2011 | Daniel Hannan

Posted on 06/16/2011 11:02:36 AM PDT by JSDude1

Belgium has now gone for more than a year without a government and, you know what? Life is carrying on as normal. The crops are growing, the wheels are turning in the factories, the civil servants (there are lots of these) are lingering over their coffee and speculoos biscuits. A lighter than normal legislative agenda has given the country something of a boost: growth forecasts keep being upwardly revised, and the economy is expected to expand by 2.3 per cent this year.

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We sometimes talk as if, left to itself, the state will grow. And, in some senses, it will: bureaucracies will always seek to extend their competences beyond whatever was was originally laid down. At the same time, though, regulations that are not replaced eventually become redundant. Who cares, these days, about directives on steam ships or telegraphs or analogue telephones? Governments are forever seeking to catch up with new technologies – witness the current attempts to regulate the Internet. Simply by passing no new laws, we allow the private sector to outpace the public. The state is eventually left like some ruined jungle temple, its slabs broken by roots, its columns snarled by creepers, its outlines swallowed up by the spray of green.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: belgium; burocracy; eu; freemarket

1 posted on 06/16/2011 11:02:41 AM PDT by JSDude1
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To: JSDude1

Anarchy is a non-starter. There have to be basic laws and a minimum role of standards.

Which is a far, far cry from obamunism.


2 posted on 06/16/2011 11:04:42 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Which we can agree on as adults without having some faceless bureaucrat or lying politico making those decisions for us.

We ran out of things to legislate almost a hundred years ago...

3 posted on 06/16/2011 11:07:36 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Dead Corpse

-————We ran out of things to legislate almost a hundred years ago...—————

which is probably why the founders didn’t want ‘politician’ to be a full time job.

All they’re doing at this point is legislating against us.


4 posted on 06/16/2011 11:10:32 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: JSDude1

Belgium has a govt, just not one that represents the people or even cares what they do.


5 posted on 06/16/2011 11:12:47 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
I used to be an Anarchist -- anarcho-capitalist. I grew out of it. I don't consider myself an anarchist today: I believe in government, I just want the government to be small. FWIW, I don't consider myself a Libertarian: I'm a Conservative -- I want sufficient government to stop some behavior which I find damaging to society.

Anyway, the key thing to note is the US government could easily be 50% of what it is today. That wouldn't be anarchy, but it would be a very limited government and we would all be better off. As we look around the world, if we see places that are doing pretty well with "no government", it should give us courage that freezing the debt ceiling and really (truly) cutting back on spending will not be the end of the world.

6 posted on 06/16/2011 11:14:18 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

True, and it’s not really accurate to say Belgium has “no” government...but eventually I wouldn’t be surprised if it broke up into 2 or 3 very small countries or some type of federation.


7 posted on 06/16/2011 11:15:47 AM PDT by RockinRight (Rock you like a Hermancain!)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

Having no government cranking out new and odious legislation has nothing to do with the rule of existing law.


8 posted on 06/16/2011 11:17:24 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: JSDude1

10 Samuel told all the words of the LORD to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will claim as his rights: He will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses, and they will run in front of his chariots. 12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. 16 Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle[c] and donkeys he will take for his own use. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his slaves. 18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the LORD will not answer you in that day.”
1 Samuel 8:10-18
God doesn’t seem to like government much either.


9 posted on 06/16/2011 11:17:33 AM PDT by deltaromeo11 (Isaiah 5:20)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Agreed.

We need to get back to a pre-New Deal style of FedGov if we want to survive as a Nation. Unnecessary and arbitrary crap serves only to lessen people respect for the Law and erodes any sense that true "justice" can be had through the system.

10 posted on 06/16/2011 11:17:45 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: JSDude1

LOL, no govt???!? What a putz and half. Its called SELF govt which is the basis for all stable societies. Gee, the Belgians are able to conduct themselves properly in public going about their business w/o exploding. What a concept. I strongly suspect something like that would work just fine here too. I’m sure tho our self important pols have a diff view.


11 posted on 06/16/2011 11:20:01 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing

They have a government, they just don’t have a marjority colition in the legislation, such a colition being refered to in parlimentary countries as “the government”. It’s sort of like the U.S., when the House and Senate are under control of different parties or the Congress and President are from different parties. It’s what we call “gridlock” in the U.S. Actually the media calls it gridlock when a Democratic President can’t get his way and “checks and balances” when it’s a Republican President.

One disadvantage of a parlimentary system is fewer checks and balances and more power vested in the bureaucracy.


12 posted on 06/16/2011 11:20:36 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets (Somewhere in Kenya a village is missing its idiot)
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To: Dead Corpse
We ran out of things to legislate almost a hundred years ago...

Simple solution. Stop voting for any candidates that are lawyers. Period. It will take a long time and will require a serious grass roots movement but "regular" people need to start getting involved...first locally and then working upwards. Or maybe just launching a Senate campaign and letting the MSM do the advertising.

13 posted on 06/16/2011 11:21:45 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you think it's time to bury your weapons.....it's time to dig them up.)
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To: deltaromeo11; tx_eggman
He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants

I only wish that the government took a tenth. I'd give the church 20%, and still have more money in my pocket.
14 posted on 06/16/2011 11:26:53 AM PDT by SpinnerWebb (In 2012 you will awaken from your HOPEnosis and have no recollection of this... "Constitution")
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To: ClearCase_guy

if the government merely enforced the basic laws required for society, i would be happy. So much of the legislation is aimed at fixing problems the government itself causes.

“At the stage between apathy and dependency, men always turn in fear to economic and political
panaceas. New conditions, it is claimed, require new remedies. Under such circumstances,
the competent citizen is certainly not a fool if he insists upon using the compass of history
when forced to sail uncharted seas. Usually so-called new remedies are not new at all.
Compulsory planned economy, for example, was tried by the Chinese some three milleniums ago,
and by the Romans in the early centuries of the Christian era. It was applied in Germany, Italy
and Russia long before the present war broke out. Yet it is being seriously advocated today as a
solution of our economic problems in the United States. Its proponents confidently assert that
government can successfully plan and control all major business activity in the nation, and still
not interfere with our political freedom and our hard-won civil and religious liberties. The
lessons of history all point in exactly the reverse direction.”
- Henning W. Prentis, Industrial Management in a Republic, p. 22 The Fatal Sequence -1943


15 posted on 06/16/2011 11:31:59 AM PDT by griswold3 (Character is destiny)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Tempting... Klobuchar is up this next election cycle. Do Senators get hassled about carrying a sidearm? I won't go unless Gladys comes with me...

*Free internet cookie to those who get the reference.

16 posted on 06/16/2011 11:38:14 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Anyway, the key thing to note is the US government could easily be 50% of what it is today.

That would be a good start, but there is no rational reason that the % shouldn't get down to 8-10% of GDP. Defense aside, the Federal government should be so small as to not be seen or felt.

I always tell people that if we had the Republic our Founders wanted us to have, we would all be vacationing on the Moon and Mars. True freedom would have allowed such progress; we would be much more advanced in all ways.

Governments are mostly filled with sadistic parasites who , if they had their way, would gleefully rule over us with an iron fist.

17 posted on 06/16/2011 11:46:42 AM PDT by sand88 (Sarah Palin announces her run: August 12, 2011 11:10am ET)
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To: JSDude1

“I only worry about my rights, when Congress is in session.” — Mark Twain


18 posted on 06/16/2011 11:49:13 AM PDT by johngalt42 (God Bless The USA and God Bless Texas.)
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To: sand88
Oh, I agree 100%.

I just have to note that it becomes an epic struggle when the GOP tries to cut the budget by $38B! I want massive, massive cuts, but I despair of ever seeing them.

19 posted on 06/16/2011 11:52:06 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing
Anarchy is a non-starter. There have to be basic laws and a minimum role of standards. Which is a far, far cry from obamunism.

We were given the absolute smallest possible government structure, based on natural rights and an immensely strong philosophical and experiential foundation, the the genius Founders of our country.

Since then, usurpers have declared everyone agents, employees and literally incorporated dependents of the administration of the corporatized federal government, and replaced out constitution with a massive system of administrative policies called statutes and regulations and codes.

And to keep us from figuring this out, they've pulled every deceptive trick in the book.

Now we sit like stone age people, around a small fire in the chill of winter, at the base of a gigantice spacecraft, unable to get back in, and only dreaming of a better cave, having utterly forgotten our political birthright.

20 posted on 06/16/2011 11:52:23 AM PDT by Talisker (When you find a turtle on top of a fence post, you can be damn sure it didn't get there on its own.)
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To: JSDude1

No govt = no military.

China would be pleased.


21 posted on 06/16/2011 11:52:40 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: deltaromeo11

In retrospect, we have it a lot worse than they did.


22 posted on 06/16/2011 11:57:32 AM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
"Stop voting for any candidates that are lawyers."

They are *all* lawyers.

23 posted on 06/16/2011 12:32:50 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Soothesayer9

100 million gun owners would beg to differ.


24 posted on 06/16/2011 12:39:57 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Dead Corpse
*Free internet cookie to those who get the reference.

It's all there in black and white, Marv.

25 posted on 06/16/2011 1:16:15 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you think it's time to bury your weapons.....it's time to dig them up.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

26 posted on 06/16/2011 1:35:45 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: Dead Corpse
ooohhh....My fave.


27 posted on 06/16/2011 6:38:53 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you think it's time to bury your weapons.....it's time to dig them up.)
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