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Mosque flap leads to TPD captain being suspended
tulsaworld.com ^ | 06/17/2011 | NICOLE MARSHALL

Posted on 06/17/2011 12:03:09 PM PDT by massmike

A Tulsa police captain who disobeyed an order to make officers attend a Law Enforcement Appreciation Day at a Tulsa mosque was suspended without pay for two weeks.

His suspension began June 12 and will end June 25, according to a personnel order signed by Police Chief Chuck Jordan.

The Law Enforcement Appreciation Day was held March 4 at the mosque of the Islamic Society of Tulsa. Jordan has said the Islamic Society scheduled the event to show its appreciation for the officers' response to a threat against it. Officers have attended past events at that location.

In a Feb. 18 interoffice correspondence, Deputy Chief Daryl Webster told Fields that the event organizers needed to know how many personnel would be attending so that things such as food and tours could be arranged.

Webster said voluntary participation was preferred, "but should voluntary response not be up to task, assignment would be the next alternative."

Fields said in correspondence with a superior that he considered the order to be "an unlawful order, as it is in direct conflict with (his) personal religious convictions, as well as to be conscience shocking."

He also told his superiors that he would not require any of his subordinates to follow the order "if they share similar religious convictions."

(Excerpt) Read more at tulsaworld.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma
KEYWORDS: muslims; tulsa

Tulsa police enter the Al Salam mosque and Islamic Center to get a free lunch as part of a law enforcement appreciation day in Tulsa, OK Mar. 4, 2011.

1 posted on 06/17/2011 12:03:16 PM PDT by massmike
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To: massmike

He should have attended.

And placed an RF beacon.

To aid targeting.


2 posted on 06/17/2011 12:05:04 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: massmike

He should feel fortunate that he was not fired for disobeying an order.


3 posted on 06/17/2011 12:05:43 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: massmike

Islam at home…

…and abroad.

4 posted on 06/17/2011 12:10:18 PM PDT by massmike (Massachusetts:Stopped hanging witches;started electing Kennedys.Coincidence?)
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To: massmike

How many Christians were imprisoned, tortured, raped, burned, chopped, stabbed, beheaded, made homeless in the name of Islam today? Tens? Hundreds? Thousands? Or tens of thousands?


5 posted on 06/17/2011 12:14:16 PM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: Da Coyote
"He should have attended."

And brought a beer and a BLT.

6 posted on 06/17/2011 12:19:31 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: massmike

This officer gets it. More than a few people who accepted Islam did so in the joint.


7 posted on 06/17/2011 12:21:04 PM PDT by Molon Labbie
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To: massmike

They should have sent the K-9 units as their representatives!


8 posted on 06/17/2011 12:28:13 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: massmike

The kowtowing to Islam by local LE and political “elites” around here is despicable and disgusting... All the more so, given what state we live in. I just don’t get it! Are they blind and deaf? Or just willfully stupid? (And that is a rhetorical question...)


9 posted on 06/17/2011 12:29:02 PM PDT by LaRueLaDue
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To: massmike
A good guy. No one should be forced to attend any religious site, just like the lesbian fire chief that forced firemen to participate in a gay rights parade...That is an illegal order the policeman was right to protect the constitutional rights of those under him.

I believe the firemen won their case in court.

10 posted on 06/17/2011 12:30:05 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: massmike

unless those organizations are engaged in harmful activities. ...UMMMM< they are, have been and will be. (From the responses below this lame website.)


11 posted on 06/17/2011 12:49:31 PM PDT by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: massmike

Chief Charles Jordan was the commander of the Kosovo police. Does anyone think that either he was bought by the Islamos at that time or that he was caught on video tape with underage girls or young boys in what could be called a ‘compromising’ position. Or perhaps there is the matter of the kick backs, bribes, and contraband trafficking that these ‘international’ outfits seem to be so heavily involved in and which the Chief collected his cut and which the Islamos have plenty of evidence of so that this guy is owned lock stock and buttocks.


12 posted on 06/17/2011 1:02:02 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: trumandogz

He has filed a federal suit against the city, PD and Chief. The Thomas More Law Center has entered the suit on his behalf.

We’ll see whether the ‘order’ he disobeyed was lawful or not.


13 posted on 06/17/2011 1:22:46 PM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: robowombat

Some interesting allegations. I’m assuming you have no proof of these or links to any ongoing investigations and this is all hopeful speculation.


14 posted on 06/17/2011 1:23:59 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you think it's time to bury your weapons.....it's time to dig them up.)
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
No disrespect Sam. Something is going on in our nation and the politicians are hiding the truth from the citizen for some reason. It is as plain as the nose on each of our faces. No disrespect Sam, but someone had to say it. I just happen to be the one who did say it.
15 posted on 06/17/2011 1:46:13 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: massmike

If this had been a meeting with the local Tulsa Baptist and a moslem did what this captain did, no punishment would have been meted out. In fact the ACLU would have made sure that the event would not even take place!


16 posted on 06/17/2011 2:20:44 PM PDT by rawhide
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To: no-to-illegals
I do not disagree with you one whit. And I, perhaps like you, am getting sick and tired of being told by others, "Watch what you say."

'Tough shiite' is my response. I'll say what I like, when I like and where I like. If someone has a problem let them have the guts to say so to my face and we'll discuss it. In whatever manner they choose.

It's just that, in this case, I was pointing up the warning that one should be mindful of what one puts in black and white.

17 posted on 06/17/2011 2:26:00 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (If you think it's time to bury your weapons.....it's time to dig them up.)
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To: massmike

He should have rendered unto Caesar that which is Caesar’s, or got a job somewhere else. This is no different than the policemen who don’t want to be used against anti-abortion protesters; they work for Caesar, not God, and must accept the consequences (though I very much sympathize with them).


18 posted on 06/17/2011 2:33:21 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

There has to be some reason why a person who is a life long resident of Tulsa and had only one other position outside the Tulsa PD to be so very interested in pleasing the resident Moslems. Spend some time researching the interesting criminal state of Kosovo. This is the place where the police and security services were caught being involved in killing dissidents and selling their body parts on the black market. International police and security forces have a well documented history as being thieves and racketeers in uniform. The Muzzies are busy infiltrating the Us as the Chinese are. Unlike the Chinese they are very very much out there with their manipulation and subversion. Anyone in government who carries water for the Muzzies in any way shape or form should have no benefit of doubt extended and be considered to be a stooge or enabled for subversion absent absolute proof to the contrary.


19 posted on 06/17/2011 2:49:32 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: massmike

So the taxpayers got to pay 27 cops to attend this propaganda fest for the effing muslims, and a captain got suspended for not wanting to be forced into the house of satan.
Real good Tulsa. I’m impressed.


20 posted on 06/17/2011 2:52:24 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: kearnyirish2

I disagree. If it’s an unlawful order he has a duty to disobey it.


21 posted on 06/17/2011 2:55:49 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: robowombat

Probably as simple as the mayor is a liberal and the chief, like 99% of them, is a political hack who will do whatever his master tells him to do including ordering his men to seize your firearms.


22 posted on 06/17/2011 2:57:44 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Fair enough; what happens if it determined to be lawful?

Caesar doesn’t play by Judeo-Christian rules; legalized abortion is the law of the land (as were Germany’s Nuremberg laws).


23 posted on 06/17/2011 2:59:58 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts
Thank you for the clarification Sam. I am holding back because sometimes because I know what can happen (I desire to say more sometimes and know the consequences). I too see others holding back and perhaps it is fear, or perhaps it is fear of the unknown. I plead guilty to holding back sometimes, while other times I let fly with what 2+2 equals. I have suffered sometimes because I dared to state the truth, so I have witnessed the consequences up close and personal. I am not a better person for having suffered the consequences, though I am attempting to only state the truth, yet sometimes (and I repeat myself) I find myself holding back.

Proud to make your acquaintance Sam. (offer of hand in FRiendship)

24 posted on 06/17/2011 3:01:17 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: loboinok

And he will lose his case.


25 posted on 06/17/2011 3:20:54 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Scotsman will be Free

“I disagree. If it’s an unlawful order he has a duty to disobey it.”

It was not an unlawful order.


26 posted on 06/17/2011 3:23:21 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

I didn’t realize that you were the judge in the case. My apologies for intruding into your area of expertise. /s


27 posted on 06/17/2011 3:27:42 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: kearnyirish2

Then the captain pays the price for following his conscience.


28 posted on 06/17/2011 3:28:44 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: massmike
Policeman sues over orders to attend Islamic prayer
City accused of being 'complicit' in Muslim Brotherhood jihad plan
...The day "had nothing to do with any official police function. It clearly fell outside of the police department's policy on community policing, and based on comments made by police department officials in a closed door meeting, it was not 'community outreach' as it has been previously portrayed," the law firm explained.

"Rather, it included a mosque tour, meetings with local Muslims and Muslim leadership, observing a 'weekly prayer service,' and lectures on Islamic 'beliefs,'" the Thomas More Law Center explained. "The event was scheduled for Friday, March 4, 20011 – Friday being the 'holy day' or 'Sabbath' for Islam. In fact, the event was originally voluntary, but when not enough officers were willing to attend, it became mandatory."

The lawsuit alleges, "The event held by the Islamic Society involved Islamic proselytizing. The Islamic Society event was advertised as including Islamic proselytizing, and it in fact resulted in the proselytizing of city police officers who attended the event."

...According to the new Tulsa lawsuit, images of some police officers appeared later in a publicity photograph used by the mosque to promote "Islam classes for Non-Muslims."

The Thomas More Law Center, which already is involved in other litigation defending the religious freedom of Christians as well as "countering the infiltration of radical Muslims in America," said it was working with Tulsa attorney Scott Wood to defend Fields' "constitutional right not to become a propaganda prop for the local mosque."


29 posted on 06/17/2011 3:29:16 PM PDT by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." -- Kool-aid)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Please cite the law that he would have violated by doing his job and entering the mosque?


30 posted on 06/17/2011 3:29:25 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

Look it up yourself. You are the expert.


31 posted on 06/17/2011 3:31:04 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: trumandogz

Why would you think that he will lose?


32 posted on 06/18/2011 12:12:20 AM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: loboinok

“Why would you think that he will lose?”

A court will not want to set a standard where public servants and emergency responders can refuse to conduct assignments due to a religious conflict.

Do you want Muslim firefighters to refuse to extinguish a fire a a Christian families home?

Do you want a Christian paramedic to refuse to give medical aid to non-Christians?

Do you want Aryan Nation police officer to refuse to enter a synagogue during an emergency?


33 posted on 06/18/2011 2:18:31 AM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz
Do you want Muslim firefighters to refuse to extinguish a fire a a Christian families home?

Do you want a Christian paramedic to refuse to give medical aid to non-Christians?

Do you want Aryan Nation police officer to refuse to enter a synagogue during an emergency?

Extinguishing fires and rendering medical aid are legitimate duties of public servants.

No reasonable person would tolerate a public servant refusing to enter a synagogue (or anywhere else) during an emergency... but that's not what we are talking about here, is it?

These officers were asked to volunteer for a public relations function. When the requested 9 could not be raised, they were ordered to go.

Unfortunately, for the Chief and the city, it involved religious services.

Read Everson vs Board of Education because they will most likely be appealing to it in their lawsuit.

"The 'establishment of religion' clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect 'a wall of separation between Church and State.'" 330 U.S. 1, 15-16. -- Justice Hugo Black

34 posted on 06/18/2011 11:25:48 AM PDT by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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