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Changing Tides: Research Center Under Fire for 'Adjusted' Sea-Level Data (The hoax continues)
Fox News ^ | 6/17/2011 | Maxim Lott

Posted on 06/17/2011 4:33:54 PM PDT by tobyhill

Is climate change raising sea levels, as Al Gore has argued -- or are climate scientists doctoring the data?

The University of Colorado’s Sea Level Research Group decided in May to add 0.3 millimeters -- or about the thickness of a fingernail -- every year to its actual measurements of sea levels, sparking criticism from experts who called it an attempt to exaggerate the effects of global warming.

"Gatekeepers of our sea level data are manufacturing a fictitious sea level rise that is not occurring," said James M. Taylor, a lawyer who focuses on environmental issues for the Heartland Institute.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: catastrophism; globalhoaxing; globalwarming

1 posted on 06/17/2011 4:34:00 PM PDT by tobyhill
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To: tobyhill
To hide the decline...
2 posted on 06/17/2011 4:38:07 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: tobyhill

Gotta keep that research grant money coming!


3 posted on 06/17/2011 4:39:38 PM PDT by YHAOS (you betcha!)
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To: tobyhill

Real scientists should have lied about mercury observations, that way we wouldn’t have been saddled with all the complex mathematic of General Relativity. Tensors are too hard.


4 posted on 06/17/2011 4:45:46 PM PDT by ALPAPilot
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To: tobyhill

thanks for posting this.

...and this isn’t the first time they’d fudge the sea level numbers. a few years ago, they did the same thing, with the international tidal gauges.

it is truly amazing, how much outright fraud goes on, in altering official data, and yet the general public is still oblivious...


5 posted on 06/17/2011 4:52:37 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Rurudyne; steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks; xcamel; 75thOVI; agrace; ...

Thanks tobyhill.


6 posted on 06/17/2011 4:52:37 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: tobyhill
Is climate change raising sea levels, as Al Gore has argued -- or are climate scientists doctoring the data?

(Hand raised really really high) I know this one...pick me..pick meeee. Please oh please pick meee.

7 posted on 06/17/2011 4:55:36 PM PDT by Raycpa
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8 posted on 06/17/2011 4:56:42 PM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: Raycpa
Sorry, Mitt raised his hand first.
9 posted on 06/17/2011 5:30:42 PM PDT by JPG (Hey, LSM, how are those emails workin' out for ya?)
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To: Elendur
it is truly amazing, how much outright fraud goes on, in altering official data, and yet the general public is still oblivious...

The dishonest leading the ignorant.....just too easy to do.

10 posted on 06/17/2011 5:34:55 PM PDT by stboz
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To: tobyhill

At the article, there’s a graphic. The graphic documents a 9 meter sea level rise. If they think the sea level is gonna go up 9 meters, why did they save New Orleans after Katrina?? According to them, it’s just going to flood again.

Should we be buying that beach front property in Arizona now??


11 posted on 06/17/2011 5:59:42 PM PDT by CharlyFord
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To: tobyhill

Note the word “gatekeepers.” Data that is collected by publicly-paid researchers or officials should NOT require a “gatekeeper.” The data should be readily available for all, for verification, analysis, and use. It is not the private property of the person or agency collecting the data.

That, my friends, is the real problem.


12 posted on 06/17/2011 6:32:36 PM PDT by LaRueLaDue
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To: CharlyFord
The graphic documents a 9 meter sea level rise.

I'm not sure what graphic you're looking at. The one I saw showed a rise of about 5 mm from 1994 to 2010.

13 posted on 06/17/2011 6:35:16 PM PDT by Rocky (REPEAL IT!)
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To: stboz

you’re correct of course.

i suppose i’m foolish even for being surprised.
when there are so many areas even outside of the AGW hoax,
that the dishonest are leading the ignorant...


14 posted on 06/17/2011 7:12:55 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: LaRueLaDue

Data that is collected by publicly-paid researchers or officials should NOT require a “gatekeeper.”
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agreed! and why do they fight FOIA so hard, like Mann is doing, if their “science” is so “settled” ?

...and along with gatekeepers, they are consolidating of data into fewer and fewer places. like measuring atmospheric CO2 can be done anywhere. yet the ONLY place in the world ever mentioned now, is Mauna Loa. (and before that, they only use dubious ice cores).
and there is NO backup site, for confirming.

if even ONE CO2 reading from last century is higher than now, the entire Hoax is revealed. yet there are, and some were made by Nobel Prize winners in Chemistry:
page 5 and 9, show overall CO2:

180 Years accurate CO2 - Gasanalysis of Air
by Chemical Methods (Short version)

http://www.anenglishmanscastle.com/180_years_accurate_Co2_Chemical_Methods.pdf

and this one is a good sample of the fraud,
that the gatekeepers you mention, hide:

http://stevengoddard.wordpress.com/2010/11/04/hiding-the-decline-in-washington-dc/


15 posted on 06/17/2011 7:23:15 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: tobyhill

Sea level Ping


16 posted on 06/17/2011 9:35:16 PM PDT by 4Speed
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To: tobyhill

Sea level Ping


17 posted on 06/17/2011 9:35:22 PM PDT by 4Speed
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To: Elendur

I’m amazed at how many enviro-lib friends keep on keeping on as if e-mailgate never happened.
They still talk about Gore like he’s a saint who never asked for a happy ending from the masseuse.


18 posted on 06/17/2011 9:44:25 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: tobyhill

“Is climate change raising sea levels, as Al Gore has argued —”

Waitjustacottonpickinminute! Isn’t Algore the guy who recently bought a multi-million-dollar house on the beach?


19 posted on 06/18/2011 6:48:48 AM PDT by Peet (Leftists think personal liberty is so important it must be carefully rationed.)
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20 posted on 06/18/2011 8:25:07 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Obamao thinks DWS is cute (!!))
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To: Elendur
if even ONE CO2 reading from last century is higher than now, the entire Hoax is revealed

Like I said on the other thread, CO2 readings will vary greatly by time of day and location. This paper http://www.agu.org/journals/jd/jd0319/2002JD003085/2002JD003085.pdf has a graph with CO2 measurement outliers as much as +/- 30 ppm and they were taking pains to measure consistently (same time of day, etc). Here are readings taken at different stations

showing a lot of similarity in the rise and some similarity in the seasonal wiggle (depends somewhat on local conditions, Mauna Loa gets a pretty well mixed reading high up in the atmosphere most days)

21 posted on 06/18/2011 9:35:26 PM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: tobyhill
What is most important was they felt the need to add one extra inch per century because the current one inch per decade of sea level rise has slowed since 2003. So they added the fudge factor to keep it at the old rate (about 3 mm / year). But if they did that honestly back through the last ice age, they would have many feet of extra rise that didn't happen, so it is a completely fabricated addition.

Whether sea level is rising 1 inch per decade or 1.1 inches per decade is not relevant, it is a trivial amount.

22 posted on 06/18/2011 9:41:58 PM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: tobyhill

Just needs to be clear, are they adding .3 to the total or the growth each year.

Big difference.

If the .3 is added to the increase each year so it stacks, this is out and out fraud.

If the .3 was added to every year, well then their explanation is given more credence.


23 posted on 06/19/2011 2:37:30 AM PDT by dila813
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To: palmer
I don't read it that way. They didn't "feel the need" to add anything except a correction factor justified by published research. I think this article is making a major mountain out of a minor molehill. Even the scientist interviewed said it was essentially trivial.

And are they calling a lawyer and an atmospheric scientist "experts" on sea level rise? Are they "under fire" from anyone other than a lawyer-activist from the Heartland Institute? This is all rather sensationalist.

24 posted on 06/20/2011 11:16:35 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

Long time no see. If an inch per century is a molehill being made into a mountain, then the current inch per decade of sea level rise from warming is like turning a small snowbank into a glacier. Or like turning a fairly solid glacier into loose slush.


25 posted on 06/20/2011 6:31:34 PM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: palmer
http://www.boston.com/news/science/articles/2011/06/20/study_details_significant_sea_level_rise/

Kenneth Miller, chairman of the Department of Earth and Planetary Sciences at Rutgers University, called the new report significant.

"This is a very important contribution because it firmly establishes that the rise in sea level in the 20th century is unprecedented for the recent geologic past," said Miller, who was not part of the research team. Miller said he recently advised New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie that the state needs to plan for a sea level rise of about 3 feet by the end of the century. Glad I don't own a beach house.

26 posted on 06/21/2011 7:17:36 AM PDT by cogitator
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To: cogitator

If you did, would you sell it to me cheap? My estimate is a foot by the end of the century based on the current 1 inch per decade (since 2003, it was a bit more before). Once temps stopped accelerating (1998) we would expect sea level rise to slow and it did. Now we will need to get back into accelerating temperature again, but that may take decades depending on the sun. So that leaves the current rise or maybe slower for a few decades. Possible acceleration after that, but who knows and who cares (mitigation is cheap)


27 posted on 06/21/2011 10:01:53 AM PDT by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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