Skip to comments.2 Top Lawyers Lost to Obama in Libya War Policy Debate
Posted on 06/17/2011 6:54:40 PM PDT by Hoodat
WASHINGTON President Obama rejected the views of top lawyers at the Pentagon and the Justice Department when he decided that he had the legal authority to continue American military participation in the air war in Libya without Congressional authorization, according to officials familiar with internal administration deliberations.
Jeh C. Johnson, the Pentagon general counsel, and Caroline D. Krass, the acting head of the Justice Departments Office of Legal Counsel, had told the White House that they believed that the United States militarys activities in the NATO-led air war amounted to hostilities. Under the War Powers Resolution, that would have required Mr. Obama to terminate or scale back the mission after May 20.
But Mr. Obama decided instead to adopt the legal analysis of several other senior members of his legal team including the White House counsel, Robert Bauer, and the State Department legal adviser, Harold H. Koh who argued that the United States militarys activities fell short of hostilities. Under that view, Mr. Obama needed no permission from Congress to continue the mission unchanged.
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Arrogance beyond belief.
Wow. This is much more intentional than I realized. Personally, I think the situation has little to do with Libya, but is really intended to show that Obama don’t need no stinkin’ law or Constitution.
Impeach him now!
I hope this bites him in the backside.
Marxist dictators don't respect the Constitution.
Libya is just a stinking sideshow. Have you been watching Iran’s moves while America is pre-occupied focusing on Obies side show?
Our community organizer has much more on his personal agenda than he lets on.
AND it ain’t good for America.
SOMEBODY PLEASE PUT THE CONSTITUTION ON HIS TELEPROMPTER.
How could it be “hostilities” when it isn’t a war, it’s a “kinetic military action”. It’s not bombs they are dropping, they are “regime change encouragement devices”.
It would cause him to go blind.
It is to entrench a radical jihadist faction in yet another oil producing nation.
So the Pentagon and DOJ think O has crossed the line toward dictatorship perhaps? The evil Bush didn’t do this but Hope and Change did? I guess this is an argument for asking for the content of hope and change? Of course this is the most transparent administration in history so why worry?
assuming this is accurate, this is simply an exercise in flexing his muscle as a dictator-in-chief. Remarkable. I bet he has the same attitude toward election laws.
HAHAHAHAHA....HOHOHOHOHO....HAHAHAHA....stop it....HAHAHAH...HOHOHO...your killing me.
Do you honestly believe that those 9 black robed jackwagons are going to intervene?
Snicker - my dog is a better Constitutional lawyer than BO
“He rejected ... he decided.” Like a f’ing dictator.
That’s exactly what the Libyan adventure is.
But I honestly think Obama is looking at it now as a chance for him to kick the US laws and Constitution in the teeth again and show everybody how little they matter to him.
He’s evil, he hates us, and he wants to eliminate anything that stands between him and total power.
Nothing he does is good for America.
There’s solid reasons that Obama has been disbarred.
You are all missing WHY Obama is risking impeachment to attack Libya. Of course it will generate a Constitutional crises but that’s just a positive consequence in Obama’s eyes.
You have no idea who Obama really is. You do know he’s a radical liberal (as a minimum) but you know little more. You learn who he is by seeing what he does.
Does he care about your Constitutional rights? If you look at the Obamacare and how it was passed, you know he doesn’t give a rip about your rights.
Is Obama a CHRISTIAN? He says he is but if he’s a CHRISTIAN I’m an underground balloon pilot in the confederate air force.
WHO is he? In the NY TIMES a few years ago is documentation that Obama loves the Muslim call to prayer, he said it with what the NY TIMES writer thought was native familiarity with it.
WHO IS HE? You can know by what he does.
Obama wants Israel to move their borders to pre-1967. Anyone with a brain knows that is not defendable. Saying it another way, Obama essentially wants the JEWS to surrender for slaughter by the Muslim masses.
Obama gives $Billions to Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood looks like it will soon control Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood wants to destroy Israel.
Obama attacks Libya illegally. Al Qaeda is a large part of the rebels in Libya. Essentially Obama is using the US Military right in front of YOU to HELP AL QAEDA take over Libya.
Obama does NOTHING to help protesters in Iran. Iran is doing everything they can to position themselves to destroy Israel.
Most people would now at least consider that Obama as a minimum is doing everything he can to help radical Muslims take over countries who were previously at least peacefully coexisting with America and Israel. That will probably soon change.
If you were going to attack America, you could try what the Japanese tried at Pearl Harbor. Plan on getting your ass kicked.
It would be far cheaper to put a Manchurian candidate in the White House. Hundreds of $Millions to buy an election is cheap compared to a military attack.
Obama is a Radical Muslim whose purpose is to essentially destroy the United States. He’s doing it while you sit and wonder why he doesn’t follow US Law.
Obama is spitting on US Law and the Constitution. Stop him soon or you will find it will be too late as the Muslim hordes will be inside our borders and outside killing you and your families.
nobama hates you, hates your family, hates Free America, hates Americans, hates the Constitution and hates the Bill of Rights. nobama is a hate crime foisted upon America.
Everything nobama does is intentional.
God help us all.
Is there a mole?
Boehner specifically inquired a/b the Office of Legal Counsel & their interpretation.
Now the NY Slimes reports the OLC did not concur.......
Should be an interesting round of pasture pool tomorrow.
Hahahaha, a "constitutional lawyer!" Give me a freakin' break...
NYT is laying groundwork for impeachment?
It sure seems as though the Dems are looking to through Obama under the bus for the last couple years - blaming a runaway administration for their collective failings.
Obama is playing with folks that are much much more politically astute than he could ever imagine.
Misleading title, for sure (not surprising in the Slimes though...).
I’ve had a hard time figuring out how and why Obama made the decision to bomb Libya (I’ve been offline, and the local news wasn’t saying anything...). I’m assuming that there is a HUGE backstory here that has nothing to do with any perceived “revolutionary” upheaval.
again, that name crops up
he is an evil man
When I use a word, Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather a scornful tone, it means just what I choose it to mean neither more nor less. ...
Look at post #24. It is obvious to everyone but Americans (who listen to the press) and the US Newsmedia.
No one Dare Calls it T R E A S O N.
No one Dares call Obama a RADICAL MUSLIM TRAITOR.
Well, it's a start.
How much longer is America and the people we elected going to do something about this guy? He keeps stalling and flat out lying to his own people for heaven knows to what end, until he finishes us off and his sheep will go down with the rest of us.
AG Holder supported OLC’s findings, too.
Pass the freakin’ popcorn.
My personal opining - is that he is actually purposely attempting to incite someone to violence.
Its my perspective that if there are acts of violence in opposition to him, then he will then use this to become the first American Dictator by suspending the Constitution and remaining in power.
He can do whatever he wants. He knows the Republicans in the House don’t have the guts to impeach two democrat presidents in a row.
Good Lord - we need need lawyers to convince our President that US airplanes dropping bombs on another country in an attempt to overthrow its Gov't is considered "hostilities?"
obama “kills” Bin Laden and spikes the football for weeks, yet Gadaffi takess a half hearted pounding, loses hundreds or thousands of Libyans to NATO attacks, yet lives and mocks everyone.
Syria's Assad mows down hundreds or thousands of civilians and it isn't even a page one story. Russia and China join to warn obama off Syria but remain strangely acquiescent of NATO’s half-vast pounding of Libya.
What exactly is obama’s agenda? Who benefits from this?????
Something is just... off ... with this entire situation.
Is this a dry-run for using US forces against Israel without Congressional constraint???
Paging Mr. Beck...Would Mr. Glenn Beck please pick up the RED courtesy phone?
I was a little surprised that the Times reported this.
The Constitution is a living document, don’t you know? It can always be rewritten as necessary for the convenience of the good guys.
His evil is definitely intentional, and I do think he sees himself as the first Muslim dictator of the US.
But he couldn’t be doing this alone (for one thing, he’s not bright enough to work out the strategy). Some of the people who helped him get where he is are probably naive leftist ideologues, some are probably the typical leftist personally loyal hero-worshipper, some of them may think he’s going to give them power because they’re black - but there are some others who are probably getting a little uneasy right now. I suspect that there are even some Dems who are beginning to realize that this isn’t what they thought they were bargaining for.
I think his overall agenda is to promote Islam and the power of Islamic Third World countries. Many of the people behind him want to promote Marxism, which fortunately for them fits fairly well with Islam.
I think he believed that when he took over, all of the Muslims were going to acknowledge their true leader (him) and everything would be groovy. He's so self-obssessed that he probably really did believe this.
But it hasn't worked out that way. He may be doing wink-wink, nudge-nudge with some of them, but a lot of them regard him as an interloper, and I think he's having a hard time dealing with this.
He's using the US military to advance a weird Islamist agenda to show them his bona fides, so to speak, and prove that (a) he's not loyal to the US but to Islam and (b) he has lots and lots of power.
If accurate this just says there are a bunch of ‘destroy the character of the USA’ controlling and operating our government. For Congress and SCOTUSA to let this go down as history is a crime against the oath to protect and defend the Constitution. All should be removed from office if not charged with treason.
You are absolutely right and it could not be more clear if it was written in indelible ink across his forehead.
He is a muslim decapitation strike on America.
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