After Talks With G.O.P., Cuomo Expects Passage of Gay Marriage Bill

New York Times ^ | June 17, 2011 | DANNY HAKIM and THOMAS KAPLAN

[lbryce]

ALBANY — Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo said Friday that he expected same-sex marriage legislation to be approved before the end of the legislative session next week, and indicated that to win passage of the measure he is prepared to yield to Republican concerns for greater protections of religious groups.

“I am a proponent of marriage equality, and I’m working very hard to make that a reality in New York,” Mr. Cuomo told reporters on Friday as lawmakers prepared to go home for the weekend. “I am also a proponent of religious freedom, and separation of church and state, so these are both very important principles. I don’t see one in competition with the other.”

With signs pointing to a vote on the marriage issue in the State Senate next week, there are widespread expectations that it will pass. A number of Republicans are said to prefer that the matter not be allowed to come up for a vote, but 31 of the Senate’s 62 members have expressed support for the measure, including two Republicans.

Other Republican lawmakers appear to be seriously considering lending their support if Mr. Cuomo agrees to amend the proposal to give greater protection to religious organizations.

The State Assembly passed the same-sex marriage bill on Wednesday.

Talks between Mr. Cuomo and Republican senators are said to focus on a relatively narrow issue. The legislation proposed by the governor includes exemptions for religious organizations and affiliated charities or nonprofit groups to protect them from litigation if they refuse to host or provide services for same-sex weddings.

But Senate Republicans want further provisions to protect such organizations from any repercussions from state agencies, that might deny aid or benefits based on discrimination.

[lbryce]

I've read and re-read the article to trying to fathom why those supposedly in the vanguard against acts of depravity, abomination, pedophilia, other ungodly acts, would fall to the wayside in such a god-awful sheepish whimper, a pusilanimous emasculated sellout en masse, only to shake my head in disbelief and horror.

Whatever happened to honor, duty, principle, truth, justice....

Each and every day it gets clearer and clearer how very screwed we are.

[fortheDeclaration]

Republicans being Republicans and selling out.

[RIghtwardHo]

Boy don’t they? They talk. We vote. They ignore. Been like that all my long life.

[Maelstorm]

I think this is going to fail. The GOP are dragging it out and there is nothing to gain. It isn’t like even in NY that being anti gay marriage loses votes nor being pro gay marriage win elections. If I were the GOP Senators I’d think about this because I’d be asking myself why do I place myself at risk over something that is unlikely to help me politically even in NY. The die hard homosympathetic vote is locked up tighter than the minority vote. If I were the GOP I’d use this issue to beat up Cuomo and help court minority groups especially black groups who are very much up in arms on this issue. The NY GOP needs to grow a pair.

[ArchAngel1983]

Should anything really horrible ever happen to New York, Illinois, or California... it will never be horrible enough! And please don’t give me that “fellow American BS”.

[Navy Patriot]

The RINO will always stab the conservative in the back, and the DemoRat will always stab everyone, starting with the most wholesome, in the back.

The only hope is to Galt 'em and leave 'em with only each other to stab in the back.

[RIghtwardHo]

I’ve been following this pretty closely and boy you are MUCH more optimistic than I.

[Maelstorm]

I’ve been following it closely. I’ve seen a huge outpouring of opposition from the minority community in NY.

[nikos1121]

In other words,

This country is phucked

[dupree]

Why are these Republicans asking Cuomo for protections for religious groups? Cuomo doesn’t have the authority to dictate what religious groups can or cannot do. Religious groups get their protection from the Constitution, not Andrew Cuomo.

[trumandogz]

Can the voters of NYS overturn legislation?

[SECURE AMERICA]

“I am a proponent of marriage equality,

WTF is marriage equality???
Since the dawn of time marriage has been one man one women.
PERIOD. Anything else is something else but it ain’t marriage!

[PieterCasparzen]

WHERE ARE THE REPUBLICANS ?

Consider this platform, that of the Conservative Party - USA in the State of New York:

http://www.conservativepartyusa.org/conservativepartyny/?page_id=331

Is that not a platform that is closer to what you believe than the CONTINUAL MORAL COMPROMISE that Republicans offer ?

I ask, why do we need the Republican party if it will not stand up for conservative values ?

[lbryce]

You remind of something I saw years ago, on Moonbattery's long ago lost son, Phil Donahue, with his daily parade of hardcore left-wing kooks, rapscallions and nee'er do wells. He had some gay activist on that would preface each questiion posed to the audience with are you gay or non-gay?

I've always fantasized about being part of the audience that day to reply, are you an abomination or a non-abomination?

[olezip]

“I am a proponent of marriage equality, and I’m working very hard to make that a reality in New York,” Mr. Cuomo told reporters on Friday as lawmakers prepared to go home for the weekend. “I am also a proponent of religious freedom, and separation of church and state, so these are both very important principles. I don’t see one in competition with the other.”

Cuomo is a heretic and blasphemer, plus, he is abrogating his responsibility to protect the people he governs.

Male and female genitalia are made for union. Male/male or female/female can only achieve union by means of deviant, unnatural, and risky behavior to both physical and mental health of the perverts in addition to the general population at large.

Cuomo and those of his ilk have seriously disordered minds to legislate that homosexual behavior is "normal and acceptable." Anything that puts the general population at risk is NOT normal and acceptable!

[sr4402]

Screw the City, time to get out of New York

[TalBlack]

Politicians have no say over marrige. Marrige is a Holy Estate created by God. Let them pass any damned law they want, but people of Faith should simply shut out the state in the matter of marrige.

[lbryce]

That's a very compelling argument. I'm not aware of what is the goverment's right, power to regulate, sanction marriages except for collecting license fees, to determine, what demographic group may or may not be eligible. Orthodox Jewry requires the acquisition of a rabbinical document validating the marriage based on religious law, and must also seek a separate document in the case of divorce.Exactly what is the power invested in state goverment that allows it to determine marriage partner eligibility?

[fwdude]

Any conservative New Yorkers need to be pounding away at your Senators non-stop.

[fwdude]

"The road to hell is paved with 'religious exemptions.'"

Sign held by orthodox Jewish protester. He is so right.

If you can 'exempt,' you can 'un-exempt.'

[fwdude]

Marrige is a Holy Estate created by God. Let them pass any damned law they want, but people of Faith should simply shut out the state in the matter of marrige.

You're kidding, right? Or are you really that naive?

What the State says is marriage, YOU must say is marriage. If you operate a business, you must give EVERY benefit available to married employees to two men or women if the state says so. If you operate an adoption agency, you MUST give equal consideration to two "married" men at the point of a gun.

Unless you're talking about civil disobedience, which will condemn you to a life of financial disaster and possible prison. Or you can just flee the state.

[sushiman]

I nominate this for post of the year !

[Liz]

ping

[massmike]

Take a look at your future,New York...

What same-sex “marriage” has done to Massachusetts
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/marriage/effects_of_ssm.html

‘Gay Pride Week’ in Boston: In-your-face depravity, vulgarity, blasphemy — sponsored by major politicians & corporate America
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11b/pride_week/overview.html

Graphic homosexual sex flier given to kids at state-supported “youth pride” event
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11b/youth_pride/bisexual_pamphlet/index.html

Gay Youth Pride Day in Boston — a day of adult-led depravity with vulnerable kids
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11b/youth_pride/intro.html

Council member Marilyn Devaney states that pro-family testimony on homosexuality should be banned!
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11b/lenk_nomination/vote_0504/index.html

Mass. Governor issues Executive Order mandating acceptance of transgenderism by all state agencies, employees, contractors
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11a/exec_order_021711/index.html

Seven teachers at Concord-Carlisle High School hold assembly telling students how they “came out” as homosexuals — encouraging students to do the same
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/10d/coming_out_assembly/index.html

Homosexual flier given to kids through Mass. GLBT Youth Commission
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/10c/youth_pride/bagly_flier/index.html

Transgender activists threaten Peabody restaurant with loss of license, legal sanctions, for turning away men in dresses
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/10b/capones/index.html

Graphic homosexual handouts and paraphernalia given to kids at the Fistgate conference run by “Safe Schools” czar Kevin Jennings
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/fistgate/handouts/index.html

Massachusetts man fired from corporation over Christian belief in traditional marriage
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09d/vadala/index.html

October is ‘Gay History Month’ - being pushed in schools. Radical “history” includes founders of modern porn movement.
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09d/glbt_history_month/index.html

Mass. “Youth Pride” Day - May 9, 2009:
A day of bizarre state-sponsored homosexual and transgender activities for middle school and high school kids
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09b/youth_pride/index.html

Prominent homosexual activists lead screaming demonstration, terrorize Boston church sponsoring ex-gay religious event.
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09b/ParkStreetChurch_0428/index.html

“Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgender Appreciation Day” at a Massachusetts high school. Your tax dollars at work
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/09a/NNHS_gayday09/index.html

Boston Dyke March reveals obscene and puerile nature of homosexual movement
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08b/pride_week/dyke_march/index.html

Your tax money at work: See disturbing “youth pride” video of how homosexual activists running “gay” school clubs brainwash teenagers.
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08b/youth_pride08/event.html

Homosexual “Youth Pride Day” includes hardcore “gay” anti-religious propaganda.
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08b/youth_pride08/intro.html

Radical group putting new homosexual “marriage” book in high school libraries across Massachusetts
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/08a/pflag_092407/courting_equality.html

David Parker — his arrest, court appearances, abuse by school officials, harrassment by pro-gay activists in town, and federal civil rights lawsuit!
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/parker/

Horror stories in the schools
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/info/kbase/horror_stories.html

Brutal fascist tactics against citizens
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/info/kbase/facist_tactics.html

[Dr. Thorne]

I’m sickened that my former state senator, Steve Saland, is the lead negotiator (sell-out) for the Republicans. Saland has been in Albany far too long.

[NYer]

Wishful thinking? What’s your thought.

[Tanniker Smith]

And while they're so busy with this, they let all the rent regulations expire.

Albany can't walk and chew gum at the same time, apparently.

[Rome2000]

New York is part of an evil empire of states run by degenerate marxist animals and populated by fools, and will reap what is sows.

The scene is being set for the next secession, and this time the free states will leave without a fight, and the socialists states will be left to their own devices to crumble and die in a miasma of self destruction.

[COBOL2Java]

After Talks With G.O.P., Cuomo Expects Passage of Gay Marriage Bill

Satan: "But of course - it's the Republican way! Compromise with everything - that's the way you get ahead in today's world, right?"

[TalBlack]

“You’re kidding, right? Or are you really that naive?”

Not naive at all. I’ll marry and ignore anything the state has to say or requires with respect to getting married. There is a point that a Man, if he IS a Man, stops backing.If the State wants to start something that is the states problem, not mine. The state has no authority to define or re-define Marrige, no matter what the state thinks.

[TalBlack]

“Exactly what is the power invested in state goverment that allows it to determine marriage partner eligibility?”

This is what most seem to not realize. The state HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SACRAMENT OF MARRIGE. Moreover many running the show for the state gleefully encouraged the dismissal of morality (Marrige) in living arrangements. They’ve now cut themselves out at BOTH ends.

[arasina]

The cheer going up everywhere these days is “Go Devil! Beat God!” Poor things don’t realize they are on the losing team.

[fwdude]

I agree with you. I’m just making you aware that there will be a cost to be paid.

[The Mayor]

No, we have no recourse except to vote people out and good luck with that. I have been working hard behind the scenes here and hopefully we will succeed in stopping this.

[NEW YORKCITYGOPMAN]

Mike Long, Conservative Party Chair in NYS will never run a candidate in the 69th AD to oppose Assemblyman Daniel O’Donnell, the leader of the same sex marriage bill in the Assembly.

Mr. Long talks about principle, and true, this is NOT a winnable race on the ultra liberal pro-gay Upper West Side. Yet, this would be a real chance, a genuine opportunity to speak up for solid conservative values and to attack Mr. O’Donnell (and his horrible sister, Rosie) for his support of this awful bill.

Do your job, Mr. Long. Run a viable candidate against O’Donnell next time!

[itsahoot]

It is amazing how they can all just come together to endorse perversion, but never to promote virtue.

Big Government=perversion————Small Government=virtue.

[The Mayor]

That sucks.

[RIghtwardHo]

Oh well that’s good.

[infowarrior]

“I am a proponent of marriage equality, and I’m working very hard to make that a reality in New York,” Mr. Cuomo told reporters on Friday as lawmakers prepared to go home for the weekend. “I am also a proponent of religious freedom, and separation of church and state, so these are both very important principles. I don’t see one in competition with the other.”

And when a minister, rabbi, or priest is forced at the point of a government gun to 'marry' two homosexuals, against his religious beliefs, Mr Cuomo? Where will you stand then? He is talking nonsense, and he knows it...

the infowarrior

[itsahoot]

Voting people out is not enough. Ron Paul pointed out that the health bill was 2700 pages not read by one congress person, totally written by staff personnel, and they seem to stay no matter who wins.

Until the newly elected reps and senators figure out that the professional staffers must go when the guard changes, then whomever we elect, it won’t matter.

[PieterCasparzen]

That’s not the Conservative Party I was referencing. I’m talking about the one based out of Louisiana.

Mike Long is not a member of the Conservative Party USA that I’m talking about.

Once again, the link is here:

http://www.conservativepartyusa.org/conservativepartyny/?page_id=331

I’m just offering this as an FYI, the platform of these guys looks very good.

[NEW YORKCITYGOPMAN]

You wrote:
Consider this platform, that of the Conservative Party - USA in the State of New York:

I did not read it closely enough. I thought you were referring to the NY State Conservative Party.

Sorry about that.

I have now gone to the site you listed. I have heard of the national Conservative party. Thanks again.

[Sun]

Post No. 24 is a good list to send to NY senators, radio and tv media, and Skelos.

[Sun]

“Wishful thinking? What’s your thought.”

Dems always talk like this. Pelosi claimed that she would keep the House, and look what happened.

They just want to dispirit us so we give up, but I will fight all the harder.

Having said that, it is close, so it could go either way, so let’s keep fighting and PRAY!

[Sun]

“Any conservative New Yorkers need to be pounding away at your Senators non-stop.”

For sure!

Even though my senator is against this bill, I still sent him information to help him to hopefully sway the RINOs, by calling his office, emailing, and writing a personal note.

[fwdude]

Thank you.