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Teen fatally shot while trying to rob off-duty cop (Clown 1, Teen 0)
Chicago Tribune ^ | June 18, 2011 | Jeremy Gorner

Posted on 06/18/2011 5:58:55 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement

An off-duty Chicago police officer dressed up as a clown for a South Side fundraiser shot and killed a teen who held him at gunpoint tonight after the event, authorities said, citing preliminary information.

The officer, who is assigned to the Near North police district, was in his clown outfit for a fundraiser for a day-care business, attended by about 50 children near West 87th Street and South Damen Avenue.

(Excerpt) Read more at chicagotribune.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: chicago; clown; cop; fatally; illinois; offduty; rob; shooting; shot; teen; trying; whosthebozonow

1 posted on 06/18/2011 5:58:58 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement
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To: ConservativeStatement

This clown just happened to be a police officer with a gun.

Why can’t other clowns carry weapons to protect themselvs from Chicago’s criminal element.

Its a Constitutional right that is being denied most citizens in this country. Concealed Carry is our best hope in place’s like Chicago.

Although I do not need a weapon in my hometown, when I go to Baltimore I would carry if allowed to. I should be allowed to. Not in Maryland, Unless you know a State Police Officer who can get you a license.


2 posted on 06/18/2011 6:04:40 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: Venturer

Liberalism is a mental disease. I’m sure there is a community activist who will be upset by this shooting.


3 posted on 06/18/2011 6:09:22 AM PDT by ConservativeStatement (Obama "acted stupidly.")
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To: ConservativeStatement

Clearly, that wasn’t a squirt flower. Predators take note.


4 posted on 06/18/2011 6:09:54 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Homey don’t play that.


5 posted on 06/18/2011 6:14:30 AM PDT by csvset
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks ConservativeStatement.
An off-duty Chicago police officer dressed up as a clown for a South Side fundraiser shot and killed a teen who held him at gunpoint...
Right after (or right before) shooting the perp, he should have smashed a pie in his face.


6 posted on 06/18/2011 6:18:15 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Venturer

“Not in Maryland, unless you know a State Police Officer who can get you a license”.

No truer words printed!


7 posted on 06/18/2011 6:19:42 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: SunkenCiv

I guess the laugh was on the perp. Nice going Clarabell.


8 posted on 06/18/2011 6:20:22 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: ConservativeStatement

Taxpayer savings

B U M P


9 posted on 06/18/2011 6:26:42 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: ConservativeStatement
During a struggle with the teen, the officer grabbed hold of the gun, opened fire and killed him.

Gosh bummer. I'm all broke up.

Well I am thinking Ham and eggs for breakfast!

10 posted on 06/18/2011 6:41:01 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. He's shovel ready!)
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To: csvset

11 posted on 06/18/2011 6:46:35 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Actually, the officer took the gun from the perp.

I guess the kid didn’t get the news that it’s illegal for virtually anyone to own a gun in Chicago.

Somehow, this makes the article even more inspirational and uplifting. I guess this gets another one of those dangerous guns off the streets!


12 posted on 06/18/2011 6:54:15 AM PDT by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: Mouton

This moonlighting clown is going to be fully booked for years.


13 posted on 06/18/2011 7:11:49 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: ConservativeStatement

This be one of them Amish yuts again?


14 posted on 06/18/2011 7:22:01 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: patriot08
This be one of them Amish yuts again?

I think that goes without saying...

15 posted on 06/18/2011 7:27:28 AM PDT by Gena Bukin
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To: ConservativeStatement

Run that by me again. Which one was the clown?


16 posted on 06/18/2011 7:50:02 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: ConservativeStatement

I just love a happy ending.


17 posted on 06/18/2011 7:52:26 AM PDT by mrsdeb (I didn't expect THAT to happen.)
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To: ConservativeStatement

18 posted on 06/18/2011 7:54:34 AM PDT by Vendome ("Don't take life so seriously... You'll never live through it anyway")
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To: ConservativeStatement
Liberalism is a mental disease.

It was terminal in this case...

19 posted on 06/18/2011 8:05:36 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: ConservativeStatement

who was the person taken into custody if the perp was killed? Very informative story. /s


20 posted on 06/18/2011 8:10:19 AM PDT by Gettin Betta
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To: Venturer

The officer wasn’t carrying. He disarmed the perp who drew on him.


21 posted on 06/18/2011 8:10:42 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: ConservativeStatement

In a way, I feel happy about this shooting. One of the bad guys got what was coming to him. A gang banger thought the clown was an easy target, and got more than he bargained for. And that’s the last time that gang banger will ever terrorize decent people.


22 posted on 06/18/2011 8:41:28 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: SunkenCiv
Hopefully so is this clown!



23 posted on 06/18/2011 8:42:17 AM PDT by Eaker (The problem with the internet, you're never sure of the accuracy of the quotes. Abraham Lincoln '65)
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To: The Antiyuppie; stephenjohnbanker; FourPeas; Venturer
The Antiyuppie said: "Actually, the officer took the gun from the perp."

And FourPeas said: "The officer wasn’t carrying. He disarmed the perp who drew on him."

From the linked article: "During a struggle with the teen, the officer grabbed hold of the gun, opened fire and killed him."

I think there is a great deal of ambiguity in this article, perhaps intended.

The article does not say that the perp was killed with his own gun. The article does not say that the Chicago Clown was unarmed. The article doesn't even say that the perp was disarmed; just that the Clown "grabbed hold of the gun".

The article doesn't say that the Clown "opened fire with the perp's gun"; it just says the Clown "opened fire".

If a so-called "journalist" working for the Main Stream Media wanted to avoid the question of whether the Clown was armed, this would be a way to make it appear that the Clown was unarmed, despite the Clown being one of Chicago's elite.

If you were an off-duty Chicago cop, and were allowed to carry, would you be unarmed? Neither would I.

24 posted on 06/18/2011 9:48:12 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: William Tell
When the officer said he had no money, the teen pulled a gun on him, authorities said.

During a struggle with the teen, the officer grabbed hold of the gun, opened fire and killed him.

From the context "the gun" would refer to the previously mentioned firearm.

25 posted on 06/18/2011 10:14:32 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: William Tell
From CBS Chicago:

The suspect approached the off-duty Chicago Police officer about 10:10 p.m. in the 1900 block of West 87th Street, produced a gun and tried to rob the officer, according to a statement from police News Affairs.

The officer and the robber struggled, and the gun discharged and struck the robber, the statement said. The weapon was recovered at the scene.

So, you're correct the officer did not disarm the perp, but again it appears the gun with which the perp was shot was his own.

26 posted on 06/18/2011 10:19:56 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: William Tell
from here

At 10:10 p.m. after the event ended, the officer went to his car and a teen approached him, asking him for money, authorities said. When the officer said he had no money, the teen pulled a gun on him, authorities said.

During a struggle with the teen, the officer grabbed hold of the gun, opened fire and killed him.

27 posted on 06/18/2011 10:24:03 AM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: William Tell

Not sure I would be unarmd in Chicago whether I was a cop or not.

If I were a cop, I would be carrying, off-duty or on.


28 posted on 06/18/2011 10:33:05 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: FourPeas
From CBS Chicago: "The officer and the robber struggled, and the gun discharged and struck the robber, the statement said. "

At least this article makes clear that the perp was shot with his own gun.

But still, the article is silent as to whether the cop was armed or unarmed. Tactically, it may be necessary to disarm an attacker rather than attempt to draw a weapon.

The question remains: Does an off-duty Chicago cop dressed as a clown carry a weapon or not? Chicago may be require that their off-duty law enforcement officers disarm. Maybe they do.

I would consider it newsworthy to know whether or not the officer was armed. It would be instructive to recognize that sometimes an attacker must be disarmed rather than drawing a weapon.

On the other hand, it would be instructive to know that even Chicago cops, when off-duty, are at the mercy of armed attackers, and only those physically capable of using the attackers own weapon will overcome the attack.

Both articles are noteworthy for what they don't say.

29 posted on 06/18/2011 10:38:28 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: Venturer
Venturer said: "Not sure I would be unarmed in Chicago whether I was a cop or not."

Nor would I. Illinois was one of several states that my wife and I avoided on a recent cross-country trip.

30 posted on 06/18/2011 10:40:39 AM PDT by William Tell
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To: ConservativeStatement

Those black and white checkered hats are silly, but no reason to call him a clown.


31 posted on 06/18/2011 10:43:44 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: csvset

Homey don’t play that.>>>>>

Homey shot homey dead


32 posted on 06/18/2011 10:51:39 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: The Antiyuppie

Yep!


33 posted on 06/18/2011 11:34:41 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Eaker

Now *that* is a nice homemade graphic. ;’)


34 posted on 06/18/2011 2:01:58 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: William Tell
If you were an off-duty Chicago cop, and were allowed to carry, would you be unarmed? Neither would I.

While wearing a clown suite around a bunch of kids? Would you wear that gun in the shower or to bed? Good grief man, if you can't be wearing a clown suite hanging out with kids without being in mortal fear of needing to gun someone down and not having a tool at hand, that is paranoid.

Yet in a perverse way, that paranoia was justified - ("Honey, is that a gun or are you happy to see me?" "Its a gun.")

35 posted on 06/18/2011 2:10:08 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: William Tell
But still, the article is silent as to whether the cop was armed or unarmed. Tactically, it may be necessary to disarm an attacker rather than attempt to draw a weapon.

In all of the gun disarmament drills I went though, it was always "redirect", "control", "disable the attacker", "disarm". So if a crim shoves a gun towards you, the first effort is to redirect the muzzle, the next move is to control the perp's hand in such a way that he won't get a shot off into you. The third is to beat-the-crap out of the guy either with knees, fists, elbows, whatever until the subject is softened up, then break the weapon out of the crim's hand. Extra points if you can also pistol whip or break off fingers in the process. Given the situation, and since this was a Chicago LEO so every shoot is always a deemed a "clean shoot", empty the magazine into the perp.

Extra points for good grouping and clever shot placement so that your fellow officers won't give you grief after IA clears the shoot.

36 posted on 06/18/2011 2:16:33 PM PDT by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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