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Posted on 06/18/2011 10:29:06 PM PDT by Eleutheria5
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How about if I post your home address and telephone number (for a fee), then you can tell me how that puts you at an advantage. Are you serious that you don’t know how espionage against the United States by a member of our military is harmful to us? You really don’t see any harm in that? Seriously? You need to outgrow the fantasy that he was selling our secrets, excuse me, giving our secrets away for free, because he was trying to save the world. He’s a traitor.
“Whatever... It wasn’t Pollard’s job to determine (or undermine) US foreign policy.”
Correct, and he did time for it, as he should.
However in retrospect, the information he passed on saved lives. It’s only unfortunate he didn’t act as a whistleblower instead.
By the way, since you didn’t source your information - I’ll help. You’re repeating accusations which never saw trial, from the head of the team that put together the file on him. Most every elected official who has reviewed that file since has determined the matter was overblown and that he’s served an above fair sentence and should be pardoned.
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time. And cry me a freakin’ river while you are at it.
You JUST don't get it - so I suspect that you have NEVER held a TS/SCI clearance. There are things that you see and hear that properly should never see the light of day [as long as they are legal].
It is the bargain you make - you PROMISE NOT to disclose information to unauthorized personnel in exchange for the postion that the government entrusts you with ...
As far as death is concerned - Pollard COULD have faced the death penalty. The government CERTAINLY could have charged him with espionage - but it gave him the GIFT of a plea deal [the government had enough evidence to make the case].
I have NO DOUBT that this deal was GREATLY influenced by the Israeli government. BUT, the fact that Pollard WAS NOT charged with espionage DOEs NOT mean he didn't do it. The decision was made by the proper authorities and I must abide by its decision. Just as YOU must abide by the judge's sentence ...
He's gonna get out in four years, and then go to Israel, I'm sure. Quit your snivelling and whining about this.
GET OVER IT - and DEAL WITH IT ...
Enough psychobabble. Define how he put American troops in harms way.
By all accounts the intelligence breach involved Saddam’s chemical program. Are you unable to figure out how that would have come back to haunt the US only 3 years after Pollard’s sentencing, during the first Gulf War?
“Dont do the crime if you cant do the time.”
He has done the time.
Jonathan Pollard - Israel - ife imprisonment
Michael Schwartz - Saudi Arabi - Discharged from Navy-No time served.
Peter Lee - China - 1 year in halfway house-No jail time.
Ronald Montaperto-China- 3 months
Xiaodong Sheldon Meng- China - 2 years
Samuel Morison- Great Britain 2 years 3 months
Phillip Selde -El Salvador 2 years
Sharon Scranage - Ghana- 8 months
Steven Baba - South Africa -5 months
Jean Baynes - Phillipines-1 year and 3 months
Geneva Jones - Liberia-3 years and 1 month
Frederick Hamilton -Ecuador- 3 years and 1 month
J. Reece Roth China and Iran 4 years
Abdul Kader Helmy Egypt 4 years 2 years
Joseph Brown Phillipines 6 years
Michael Ray Aquino Phillipines 6 years and 4 months
Michael Allen Phillipines 8 years
Robert Kim South Korea 9 years 7 years
Leandro Aragoncillo Phillipines 10 years
Thomas Dolce South Africa 10 years 5.2 years
Steven Lalas Greece 14 years
They were provided to the judge by Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger, who described Pollard's spying as including, among other things, obtaining and copying the latest version of Radio-Signal Notations (RASIN), a 10-volume manual comprehensively detailing America's global electronic surveillance network.
No different than if I sold the SIOP plan [of which I was privy to when I was in the Air Force] to the Israelis ...
He sold our secrets to foreign powers. Why do you continue to defend that? That’s not psychobabble. It’s the plain honest truth. He wasn’t trying to save the world from us evil Americans. He was paid for his treason. That’s just the truth.
“Quit your snivelling and whining about this.”
Whining? Nobody is whining.
How about you stop grandstanding with your emotional arguments based on unsourced anecdotal accusations, because it’s beginning to sound more and more like the thinly veiled hate that flooded the last thread on Pollard.
“He wasnt trying to save the world from us evil Americans.”
You keep repeating this line, which proves you don’t know anything about the case. It wasn’t American interests that were considered a threat.
That said, in retrospect do you think Rumsfeld shaking hands with evil Saddam, and our arming of Iraq was a shining moment in our Countries history?
I don’t give a CRAP what other people got - BOO HOO !!!
If you roll the dice with espionage - you take your chances.
Just because OTHER people got lucky with THEIR punishment DOESN’T mean that Pollard IS ENTITLED to the same consideration ...
OR are you one of THOSE people who FEEL they ARE entitled ... Like getting your mortgage paid by Obama AND free gas for your car.
Actions have CONSEQUENCES - Pollard KNEW that [EVERYONE who gets a clearance is informed of the penalties], KNEW what COULD happen if caught, and NOW is reaping his reward ...
Life inprisonment. If he is still alive, he has NOT done the time.
So you’re saying Pollard put our worldwide eavesdropping operations in jeopardy?
Are you intentionally being sourceless and ironic too?
“unsourced anecdotal accusations”
So much for “unsourced allegations” - lets see yours OTHER than the “Jonathan Pollard Cheerleaders” web site ...
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 External linksKey US v Jonathan J. Pollard trial documents obtained from the District Court of the District of Columbia
Jonathan Pollard’s Website
American Security Perspective 
Israel acknowledges spying on US. BBC News, 12 May 1998
All about Jonathan Pollard
Why Jonathan Pollard is Still in Prison by Edwin Black, published in The Forward and archived in the Internet Archive. A shorter version of this article was published here in the The Jewish Journal of Greater Los Angeles.
CRS Report for Congress RS20001 Jonathan Pollard: Background and Considerations for Presidential Clemency - Federation of American Scientists
Time for a fresh start. Jerusalem Post Nov 22 2009 Jpost.com.
You think he deserves a disproportionate sentencing...why exactly?
Someone mentioned the Rosenbergs as a precedence for such a sentencing...hmmm... noticing a pattern here.
A cut and paste from Wikipedia...and you couldn’t even source THAT.
I keep repeating that he wasn’t trying to save the world from us evil Americans because you keep pretending that he was. The truth is he was selling our secrets. He is a traitor. I’m going to keep repeating that little factoid too.
You may as well stop trying to deflect by suggesting that various public figures should get the death penalty for breaches of protocol. If Obama was seen shaking the hand of Satan himself it wouldn’t change what the traitor Pollard did one iota.
Yup. From Wikipedia - I ONLY do that when someone like you AIN'T worth the time and effort.
You, OTOH, don't have anything but invective cuz you got nothing to back you up - beginning to think I'm in Trollville ...
Thats what Cap Weinberger wrote to the judge ...
“he wasnt trying to save the world from us evil Americans because you keep pretending that he was.”
I haven’t argued anything of the sort. If that’s your best defense for why you want the guy dead, you’re very confused.
I’ve clearly said the evil threat was coming from the Arab states it revealed the US armed. It’s an uncomfortable fact. Unless maybe you think Pollard deserves to die for the Osiraq bombing. Well do you?