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To: ansel12

Before this accelerates into another “ Bash The Jew Traitor Fest”, below are the documented, facts and a link to the site with a lot more.

There a number of traitors in this case. The largest one was actually the US. We knowingly betrayed an ally, and knowingly and intentionally set up a situation in which millions of innocent Israeli civilians would have died from the chemical laced warheads that Saddam Hussein fired into Israel. They contained poison gas. That is a fact.

Pollard alerted the Israelis and saved their lives. As a result, the people of Israel had enough time to obtain gas masks from the government and to set up a “safe room” in their homes. Most of us recall the news videos of this.

He did not receive money, he did not do it for any other purpose other than to save these people.

Yes, in doing this, he betrayed the US. He voiced his concerns to
his superiors, and the response was that he was told to “mind his own business”, and that “Jews get nervous talking about poison gas; they don’t need to know.”

If you, as a US citizen, do not have a problem with this, then go put on a Nazi SS uniform and salute the Satanic forces that spawns such hatred and evil.

In governments, there are bad laws, bad intentions, and bad people. That is a sad reality. A person who believes in G-D, and fears G-D, does what is right by G-D. Sadly, that is not always right by flag.

To those who feel differently, all that can be said is that one day we will be judged by The One far greater than any of this.

Link: http://www.jonathanpollard.org/facts.htm


26 posted on 06/18/2011 11:43:15 PM PDT by Never A Dull Moment
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To: Never A Dull Moment

I don’t care what church he used to go to, all traitors need to be executed, there is nothing to discuss.


27 posted on 06/18/2011 11:49:30 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: Never A Dull Moment
He did not receive money, he did not do it for any other purpose other than to save these people.

I beg to differ ...

Shortly after Pollard began working at the NIS, he met Aviem Sella, an Israeli Air Force combat veteran who was at the time a graduate student at New York University, on leave from his position as Colonel in order to gain a master's in computer science. Within a few days, in June 1984, Pollard started passing classified information to Sella and received, in exchange, $10,000 cash and a very expensive diamond and sapphire ring, which Pollard later used to propose marriage to his girlfriend Anne. He also agreed to receive $1,500 per month for further espionage.

Naval Criminal Investigative Service (NCIS) investigator Ronald Olive has alleged that Pollard passed classified information to South Africa, and attempted, through a third party, to sell classified information to Pakistan on multiple occasions. Pollard also stole classified documents related to the People's Republic of China on behalf of his wife, who used the information to advance her personal business interests and kept them around the house, where they were discovered by investigating authorities when Pollard's espionage activity came to light.

During Pollard's trial, the government's memorandum in aid of sentencing challenges "defendant's claim that he was motivated by altruism rather than greed", asserting that Pollard had "disclosed classified information in anticipation of financial gain".

The government's investigation has revealed that defendant provided to certain of his acquaintances U.S. classified documents which defendant obtained through U.S. Navy sources. The classified documents which defendant disclosed to two such acquaintances, both of whom are professional investment advisers, contained classified economic and political analyses which defendant believed would help his acquaintances render investment advice to their clients... Defendant acknowledged that, although he was not paid for his unauthorized disclosures of classified information to the above-mentioned acquaintances, he hoped to be rewarded ultimately through business opportunities that these individuals could arrange for defendant when he eventually left his position with the U.S. Navy. In fact, defendant was involved in an ongoing business venture with two of these acquaintances at the time he provided the classified information to them ...

The full extent of the information he gave to Israel has still not been officially revealed. Press reports cited a secret 46-page memorandum, which Pollard and his attorneys were allowed to view. They were provided to the judge by Secretary of Defense Caspar Weinberger, who described Pollard's spying as including, among other things, obtaining and copying the latest version of Radio-Signal Notations (RASIN), a 10-volume manual comprehensively detailing America's global electronic surveillance network.

Pollard used his courier position to demand the desired material for Israel rather than clandestinely acquire it. NCIS wrapped the documents Pollard requested, and he in turn passed them on to the Israelis. He would transfer the documents to suitcases, drop the documents off with the Israelis for copying, and retrieve whatever documents needed to be returned days later, along with orders for what types of information to get over the next week.

30 posted on 06/18/2011 11:57:01 PM PDT by Lmo56 (If ya wanna run with the big dawgs - ya gotta learn to piss in the tall grass ...)
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To: Never A Dull Moment; ansel12
Pollard alerted the Israelis and saved their lives. As a result, the people of Israel had enough time to obtain gas masks from the government and to set up a “safe room” in their homes. Most of us recall the news videos of this.

This is completely bogus.

Pollard was arrested for espionage in 1985.

Gas masks were distributed to the Israeli population during the Gulf war in 1991.

It was public knowledge that Saddam Hussein used poison gas against the Kurds in 1988, killing thousands of the inhabitants of the city of Halabja.

Thus the citizens of Israel had plenty of time to obtain gas masks before the Gulf War without any "warning" from Jonathan Pollard, who had been in jail for years.

It is also not plausible the Jonathan Pollard was the only source that the Mossad had for the information that Iraq was developing chemical weapons, even if such information was included somewhere among the millions of documents he stole.

40 posted on 06/19/2011 12:34:02 AM PDT by wideminded
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To: Never A Dull Moment

Typical. If someone doesn’t agree with you they are evil, nazis, need to put on an SS uniform, etc ad infinitum, ad nauseum. You have no credibility with that liberal tripe.


99 posted on 06/19/2011 5:58:37 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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