Skip to comments.N.Y. Marriage Bill Hits Snags on Religion Questions
Posted on 06/18/2011 10:57:27 PM PDT by lbryce
ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - Gov. Andrew Cuomo said he was cautiously optimistic his gay marriage bill will soon become law as he held more one-on-one negotiations Friday with Senate Republicans. The Republicans who hold the critical votes say they worry Cuomo's bill doesn't adequately protect religious groups and churches that refuse to preside over same-sex weddings and other services.
A third lengthy, closed-door meeting by the GOP majority brought the bill, widely viewed as key to national momentum on the issue, no closer to a floor vote. The Democrat-led Assembly passed the measure Wednesday as expected, and a vote in the Senate had been anticipated this week.
That action could now be days away, after Senate Republicans didn't even discuss Friday whether to take that action.
"There has been no decision in fact that really was not the discussion as to whether it will come out yet, who's voting for it, who's voting against it," Majority Leader Dean Skelos said immediately after Friday's two-hour conference.
The Long Island Republican said senators for and against gay marriage want to make the sure that if the bill gets a floor vote there won't be "unintended consequences to this legislation" a reference to religious protections.
Skelos didn't go into more details but noted that some Catholic adoption agencies closed after a law was passed years ago prohibiting discrimination against gays and lesbians.
Other Republicans have sought further protections of caterers and others who might object to providing services or a venue for a wedding of a same-sex couple. One proposal apparently not under serious discussion would protect individuals opposed to gay marriage from laws against discrimination.
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Let's ride with the family down the street.
Through the courtesy of Fred's two feet.
When you're with the Flintstones
you'll have a yabba dabba doo time.
A dabba doo time.
You'll have a gay old time.
Fortunately for us, Bedrock is far, far away
happily we don't expect to have a gay old time in New York anytime soon.
Two men being married to one another. ROTFL!!! It still cracks me up every time I hear it. We’re not a nation of immigrants, we’re a nation of moronic jackasses.
Come on Republicans stand for something for a change. Have a backbone. Protect our families and our children and our society. If you think the homofacists will stop at marriage you better buy a clue!
Hence, the epithet against gays in the profligating of their seed is fruit.
>> AP: The Republicans who hold the critical votes say they worry ...
The Dems only need to peel off a couple of jackass Republicans to get the votes they ‘need’.
I believe they have the quoted “f___ it” RINO from upstate NY.
Last time this came up in NY state (under Dem Governor Patterson), it was DEMS that stopped it. Hispanic Dems wouldn’t support it, and other traditionally Dem groups (West Indies, West Africans and the like) were sickened by it. As odd as it may seem to have the Repubs determine how this proceeds, it is important to note they are NY Repubs (like MA Repubs, or NJ Repubs); they are only slightly to the right of Dems, and usually well left of center (otherwise there’d be no Repubs here).
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I thought that churches could already refuse to marry a couple. My in-laws' pastor turned down my marriage to my husband because we didn't want to cooperate with the pre-marital counseling. My daughter's fiance's church won't marry them because she's not a Christian.
Can't pastors already refuse to marry a gay couple?
Two men being married to one another. ROTFL!!! It still cracks me up every time I hear it. Were not a nation of immigrants, were a nation of moronic jackasses.
I hate to say it, but after knowing some women, I can kind of understand it... 8-\
They can now, but the concern is that after this passed, if it does, they might not be able to in the future.
But I believe any such interpretation or intent would run afoul of the first amendment.. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; . If they want to get "married" after the passage of the law, they could go to a justice of the peace for a civil ceremony or to a church/clergyman that doesn't object.
Realistically, even if Cuomo were to agree to accommodate ‘religious’ objections, to get his bill passed, it wouldn’t matter. The second the bill passed and some traditional church/synagogue/mosque refused to marry 2 gays, they’d be in court and find a friendly judge would would find the religious exemptions unconstitutional. They better stop it in the NYS Senate while they can.
But, since homosexual activists are determined to force this through the courts, this will not be the end of it if this bill passes.
If this bill passes, it will simply move the goal posts for lawsuits against churches. Since churches don’t perform homosexual marriages, they will be sued for their refusal to do so. They will be sued because of claims of discrimination based on “sexual orientation”.
Churches have successfully been sued for racial discrimination, and lost tax exemptions because of that. Since the gay agenda equates discrimination against gays with racial discrimination, it’s not too much of a stretch to see courts siding with gays if they sue churches over gay marriage.
You might think this is far fetched. But just ask yourself — 15 years ago, would you have believed that gays would sue a dozen states over the definition of marriage, and succeed in forcing four of them to recognize homosexual marriage? Would you have believed that a parallel movement in Canada would have forced that entire nation to recognize gay marriage?
The activists are laying the groundwork to continue to force their agenda through the courts. The gay agenda is anathema to religion, and they see organized religion as one of their big enemies.
I see. Thank you.
Bingo. The church is their enemy.
“They better stop it in the NYS Senate while they can.”
NY conservatives ought to tell Leader Dean Skelos not to allow it to go to the floor for a vote in the first place.
Well said. I remember a story in the ME about a man marrying his donkey. Who knows what the future holds.
If my NYS Senator (Lanza) votes yes he will be out of a job.
Marie, I think what they’re talking about here are not just churches, but people in the wedding BUSINESS: catering halls, food services, photographers, bakeries, etc. This law gives them no protections from having to provide services to homosexuals who wish to “marry,” nor would it protect individuals who do not wish to acknowledge homosexual “marriage.”
Of course, it also means that public school children (which do not include my own, thank God) will be indoctrinated into learning that there is no difference between a homosexual “marriage” and a normal one.
What a nice eupehemism for bribery.
Well said. Please, send that plea to every RINO NY Senator with the same passionate voice.
Yes, Virginia, they can be bought.
Well, considering who’s doing the dealing, I should’ve said bribed and/or blackmailed. Hence the one-on-one...Just another reason why any RINO that votes for this should be out the door next election cycle.
I don’t want my government pretending that homosexuality is normal. It’s not normal; it’s never has been normal; and it never will be normal.