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Zeta captives have to fight or die
San Antonio Express News ^ | 15 June 2011 | Dane Schiller

Posted on 06/19/2011 4:51:49 AM PDT by Racehorse

In one of the most chilling revelations yet about the violence in Mexico, a drug cartel-connected trafficker claims fellow gangsters have kidnapped highway bus passengers and forced them into gladiatorlike fights to groom fresh assassins.

The elderly are killed. Women raped. And able-bodied men are given hammers, machetes and sticks and forced to fight to the death.

In an interview arranged by intermediaries on condition neither his name nor the location of his Texas visit be published, the trafficker also admitted to helping push $5 million to $10 million a month worth of cocaine into the U.S.

Law-enforcement sources confirm he is a cartel operative, but not a fugitive from pending charges.

If what he says is true, gangsters who commonly practice beheadings, hangings and quarterings of bodies have managed an even crueler twist to their barbarity.

Members of the Zetas cartel, he says, have pushed passengers into an ancient Roman-like blood sport with a modern Mexico twist that they call, 'Who is going to be the next hit man?'"

"They cut guys to pieces," he said.

The victims are likely among the hundreds of people found in mass graves in recent months, he said.

In the vicinity of the Mexican city of San Fernando, about 85 miles from Brownsville, nearly 200 bodies were unearthed from pits and authorities said most appeared to have died from blunt-force trauma to the head.

Many are believed to have been dragged off buses traveling through Mexico, but little has been said about the circumstances of their deaths.

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"The stuff you would not think possible a few years ago is now commonplace," said Peter Hanna, a retired FBI agent. "It used to be you'd find dead bodies in drums with acid; now, there are beheadings."

(Excerpt) Read more at mysanantonio.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Mexico
KEYWORDS: border; cartels; doj4terrorists; drugcartel; drugs; holder4criminals; holder4terrorists; holderspeople; legalizeharddrugs; libertarians; medicalmarijuana; mexico; zetas
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1 posted on 06/19/2011 4:51:54 AM PDT by Racehorse
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To: Racehorse

Simply go into the area with the military and kill the Zetas.

The only thing they will understand is their death.


2 posted on 06/19/2011 4:55:21 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: Racehorse

We should use Mexico as a training ground for our Special Ops teams. Might as well kill them down there before we have to fight them in the states where we’re not allowed to use our military.


3 posted on 06/19/2011 4:59:08 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Herman Cain is the man in 2012)
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To: Racehorse
Invade.

Seriously.

4 posted on 06/19/2011 5:01:34 AM PDT by Lazamataz (First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them. -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Racehorse
Zeta captives have to fight or die

Seems to me the only option for captives is to resist the Zetas every opportunity possible, as they are going to kill them no matter what.

5 posted on 06/19/2011 5:01:52 AM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Recon Dad

Simple.


6 posted on 06/19/2011 5:02:38 AM PDT by Puckster
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To: Caipirabob

If you’re one of those captured, the only option is to get on your knees and give yourself to Christ, pronto.


7 posted on 06/19/2011 5:04:39 AM PDT by Jonty30
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To: Racehorse

Looks like we trained them well!


8 posted on 06/19/2011 5:05:42 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland (!@)
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To: Racehorse

“- the dark places of the earth are full of the habitations of cruelty.”

Psalm 74:20b

What is darker than Mexico?


9 posted on 06/19/2011 5:20:08 AM PDT by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: Racehorse
Fwiw, I don't think of those who are here as illegal immigrants any more.

They are refugees who have escaped the violence and insanity of their war torn country. Which begs the question:

Why are we in islamistan on the other side of the planet while ignoring the insanity right next door? Mexicans are neighbors and family, plus they have oil.

And our ATF is "helping" by gunwalking weapons to the cartels? Wtf, over?

10 posted on 06/19/2011 5:22:42 AM PDT by GBA
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To: Racehorse

This is frikkin worse than El Salvador and Colombia in even their WORST DAYS.


11 posted on 06/19/2011 5:23:58 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Herman Cain Still Top Choice; But For His Good, Needs Accelerated Foreign Policy/Military Coaching)
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To: Lazamataz

Invade.

Seriously.
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i seriously agree.

the number of innocent civilians dying right next door,
VASTLY dwarfs the number in Libya, or even Afghanistan.
...here, where our National Interest, is orders of magnitude more,
we do nothing...

(except deliberately HELP send more guns to the criminals?)


12 posted on 06/19/2011 5:25:54 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Lazamataz
Yes.

We must invade, and totally bomb their hideouts into oblivion, and assassinate their leaders. This is a cancer right on our boders. These bastards own all the tire and tire repair shops in Los Angeles in the Latino section of town. And much, much more. I am certain small town officials in New Mexico or Arizona and California are being bought off.

But only invasion and total scorched earth until President Bachmann, President Cain or President Palin is in office. Not while that twerp Obama is anywhere NEAR the White House, and the levers of power at DOD and CIA.

13 posted on 06/19/2011 5:27:14 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Herman Cain Still Top Choice; But For His Good, Needs Accelerated Foreign Policy/Military Coaching)
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To: Racehorse

See Rome.


14 posted on 06/19/2011 5:30:17 AM PDT by momincombatboots (Look out Left Coast, we are coming and we have Bibles and Guns! LOL)
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To: Racehorse

If told to murder someone like that in cold blood, I would just have to say, a) “Jesus, I am ready please take me now” and b) (to them) “just shoot me, then, I’m not doing it” in fact I would take a machete, head for the nearest Zeta, and hack HIM in the face (justifyable self defense under Canon Law), before I was invariably shot down on the spot. Darned if I would murder someone like to that save my own life. in a pitched match.


15 posted on 06/19/2011 5:31:22 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (Herman Cain Still Top Choice; But For His Good, Needs Accelerated Foreign Policy/Military Coaching)
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To: Recon Dad
We should use Mexico as a training ground for our Special Ops teams.

Great idea. I don't think Mexico is in much of a position to object.Burn the whole craphole country down and move the survivors to the south and take the oil.

16 posted on 06/19/2011 5:38:34 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Racehorse.
The elderly are killed. Women raped. And able-bodied men are given hammers, machetes and sticks and forced to fight to the death.
See, we need to end the war on drugs now -- those are great ideas for a successful new reality show!


17 posted on 06/19/2011 5:38:34 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: Lazamataz

I spent a fair amount of time down in Baja covering the races (Baja 1000 etc) and there was one incident that will never leave my mind.

A good friend of mine down there who will remain nameless was a racer and he took me prerunning on the Baja 1000 course for about 100 miles or so in a pretty hot race truck. We were WAY off any main road and as far from civilization as you can get. We came across a few shacks (and I mean shacks) pieced together out of old plywood, sheet metal and whatever must have been at hand at the time.

“Juan” comes roaring into this encampment/village with a white gringo (me) in a $100,000 race truck and shuts it down. Out of one of the shacks comes what was, hands down, one of the most gorgeous women in that country, with a couple little kids hanging off her legs. She walks up to ‘Juan’ and I and offers us food and water.

Now bear in mind that we were so far from anything that we could have just as easily raped and killed her on the spot and no one would have ever known the difference.

And here is this woman, obviously with NOTHING to her name, being as kind and generous as the day is long. She wasn’t ‘afraid’ of us and wanted nothing from us. She was worried we might be thirsty.

There are some VERY good people down there. Some og the best I have ever met. Blowing the Zetas and their enablers in the Mex Govt. straight to hell would be a blessing for millions of Mexicans and would greatly help with the illegals we have to deal with here.


18 posted on 06/19/2011 5:45:17 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: thethirddegree

The place is turning into Somalia on drugs.


19 posted on 06/19/2011 5:47:26 AM PDT by Recon Dad (Herman Cain is the man in 2012)
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To: Racehorse

“Even the highway checkpoints Mexican officials operate along the highways between Central Mexico and the border, do not pose much of a problem, he said.

The trick is to send someone in advance to bribe a commander so a drug load won’t be bothered, he said.”
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And to think that these cartels just stop their bribing of officials at the border of Mexico and the US is foolish. They bribe US officials all along the major drug routes through the US as well. Take a look in Texas....most of the major drug routes and border towns are controlled locally by corrupt democrats. Big money goes into US politico’s coffers to keep the border open and keep the drugs running.

WAKE UP AMERICA!

We need to get out of Libya and Afghanistan and invade Mexico. Perhaps if we can destroy these cartels..the people in Mexico can build their country into a place where their people want to stay....instead of fleeing to the US.

Enough is enough!


20 posted on 06/19/2011 5:55:06 AM PDT by penelopesire (Let The Congressional Hearings Begin!)
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To: Caipirabob
Seems to me the only option for captives is to resist the Zetas every opportunity possible

Suppose Mexico decided to enact their version of our 2nd Amendment.

I would guess that these bus hijackings would become a think of the past.

21 posted on 06/19/2011 6:09:37 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Racehorse

Many of the Zetas are ex-military trained by the USA

They do stuff a lot worse than what this article describes

They probably have more weapons then our forces.

And they cross our borders with absolutely no problems and have groups all over the US


22 posted on 06/19/2011 6:12:42 AM PDT by KosmicKitty (WARNING: Hormonally crazed woman ahead!!)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Yes you are correct, the Mexican people are some of the kindest people on earth but their country is corrupt from top to bottom.

This article was in last Sundays Houston Chronicle and I cut it out for my housekeeper because they always go home to San Luis Potese every summer.

They knew better than to drive in their truck but had planned on taking the bus....... until she read this article.

She then told me about something that recently happened to a neighbor. They were coming home from Mexico and got stopped on the road and their truck was taken.

Standing on the side of the road another truck stopped and they told them “the Zetas stole our truck”. The new gang said “no, we are the Zetas”.

The new gang took off after the truck and when they came back with it, they said “don't open the ice chest in the back, wait until you get to the river and dump the contents”.

They did as they were told and the ice chest was full of the heads of the first gang.

I have known this woman for 15 or 20 years and I have never known her to tell me anything that wasn't true so I believe her.

23 posted on 06/19/2011 6:19:38 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Lazamataz

Invade Mexico? And then what? Every Mexican who is able will be stampeding north straight for the border. Build a wall, not a fence and keep them out.


24 posted on 06/19/2011 6:22:57 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Racehorse

Decriminalize drugs today and this will stop tomorrow.


25 posted on 06/19/2011 6:24:37 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: GBA

Refugees?

If they are refugees, how do you explain the fact the “refugees” from southern Mexico and other Central American countries that are coming here, head north into the violent areas instead of heading south away from the violent areas?


26 posted on 06/19/2011 6:24:46 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: GBA

The Mexican people are responsible for the situation their country is in. They and they alone created the mess, they need to fix their country. I’m sick and tired of my taxes going to Mexico. I don’t want US soldiers dying in Mexico for something the Mexicans are responsible for.


27 posted on 06/19/2011 6:26:00 AM PDT by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: Ditter

I believe it, and I agree that the corruption there is total. As bad as the Zeta’s are, I think the Govt/pols are just as bad. The Mex military is nothing but an enforcement wing for their ‘dealings’. Many a story down there of the same kind of things happening at Federalies checkpoints - cars taken, people vanishing etc. long before the Zetas ever came on the scene. With Mexican friends, I’m sure you’ve heard the stories as well.


28 posted on 06/19/2011 6:31:12 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Racehorse

Build a fence then give drones to the Mexicans to kill the Zeta leadership. But reason we don’t do this is we figure the Zetas will retaliate by bringing Muslim terrorists across the border


29 posted on 06/19/2011 6:33:53 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: jmacusa

I don’t want it either, but the reality is that at some point, the American military is going to have to defend our border and cross theirs to stop the growing violence that is hitting here now.

Sadly, the Mexicans will never do it. We eventually will have no choice, thanks in part to decades of our own stupidity.


30 posted on 06/19/2011 6:35:15 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: dennisw

That’s like giving weapons to Pakistan to fight the Taliban/Al’Q. That hasn’t worked out so well wither. Besides, we have already given MexGov all kinds of hardware and training. The Zetas are now armed with it.


31 posted on 06/19/2011 6:38:12 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: jmacusa; Norm Lenhart; Elendur; AmericanInTokyo
Invade Mexico.

Fire every judge who has any suspicion of wrongdoing.

Fire every law enforcement officer who has any suspicion of wrongdoing.

Set up a few base camps from which the United States may launch 'Kinetic Military Actions' against drug gangs.

Oversee fair elections.

Stay for a while and wring the damned drug gangs out of that country.

It would be a much tougher go than Afganistan and Iraq, but the payoff would be higher.

32 posted on 06/19/2011 6:41:09 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Racehorse

There is something in humanity that seems to naturally decline into a barbarous state. What can the devil possibly think up that people do not already do or have done to one another. When people ask me why I own guns, I wonder if they ever really read the news.


33 posted on 06/19/2011 6:42:03 AM PDT by dog breath
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To: Lazamataz

Not seeing a flaw in your plan/logic.


34 posted on 06/19/2011 6:45:40 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: KosmicKitty

Stating the obvious, the war on drugs has become just that. A war.

Our government has failed us utterly. First and foremost by not protecting our sovereignty. Lock down the border with the military and stop this invasion of people and contraband.

Legalize pot and cocaine. Neither drug is anymore destructive than a bottle of whiskey. In the land of the free, one should be free to destroy ones self if one is so inclined. Take the money out of drug running, and much of this problem will solve itself.


35 posted on 06/19/2011 6:46:48 AM PDT by phoneman08 (Reagan conservative union member. Not as rare as you think!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

We are Texans and have made many many trips to Mexico over the years, hunting, fishing and vacationing. Never again! We had several scary things happen to us personally before we gave it up and decided to never go back.

Our first bad indication of the corruption was when my husbands uncle died in Mexico of natural causes. The family had to actually buy his body back from the city of Cozumel before we could get him back for burial.

They had just tossed his body into a cooler, not even laying him out straight. When finally enough money had been paid we sent a private plane with a casket but because of the way he was dump he wouldn’t fit into a normal casket. So we had to find a bigger casket and a bigger plane. After thousands of dollars had been spent we got Uncle Jack home for burial.


36 posted on 06/19/2011 6:47:02 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Norm Lenhart
Not seeing a flaw in your plan/logic.

Well, I see two flaws:

  1. Democrats.
  2. Republicans.

37 posted on 06/19/2011 6:48:15 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Racehorse
What Mexico needs is a 2nd Amendment.

Bad guys have guns. Good guys don't.

Gun bans do make you safe -- if you are a drug lord.

38 posted on 06/19/2011 6:58:44 AM PDT by Tribune7 (We're flat broke, but he thinks these solar shingles and really fast trains will magically save us.)
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To: Lazamataz

We would have to stay in Mexico forever, corruption is ingrained, I have been told he came with the Spanish. You know how long they have been gone and the corruption is still there. Everybody with any station in Mexico has their hand out.


39 posted on 06/19/2011 6:59:07 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

There was a story one of the Factory bike team guys told me (and I checked, it was true). The Japaneese CEO types have a deal with one of the bike manufacturers where they pay X dollars for a bike and total pit support for the Baja races. They fly in, do the race (often only part of it) and then ship the mud covered bike back to their company HQ still covered in mud to display as a ‘trophy’ of their experience. Nothing wrong with that IMO.

One year one of them went down hard and was killed. Knowing the crap/bribes etc that has to be gone through (as was your experience), the Factory guys contacted the Japaneese consulate in San Diego who said basically “get him back however you can and we’ll deal with the fallout.”

They rolled the dude up in astroturf/carpet that they lay down in the pits and buried him under a ton of parts, bikes and other stuff in the Factory pit van. They then drove straight through the border and met the Japaneese reps at a hospital where all the paperwork, police, US feds etc were waiting.

When MexGov found out they had a total screaming, threatening fit. The Japaneese basically said basically “Shut up or we pull our money and manufacturing out of your country.”

MexGov did as they were told.


40 posted on 06/19/2011 7:01:19 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Lazamataz
Oversee fair elections.

If you do that you live with the consequences. Ignorant populations will give you elections like in Gaza where they all voted for Hamas, or the United States where they all voted for American Idle.

41 posted on 06/19/2011 7:01:48 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Lazamataz

Hit them...hard ;)


42 posted on 06/19/2011 7:01:59 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: KosmicKitty

“Many of the Zetas are ex-military trained by the USA”

So are a lot more of us. Maybe this country would be stronger if the civilian population had to take a hand in its survival.


43 posted on 06/19/2011 7:03:24 AM PDT by Big_Harry ( Starve the Beast!)
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To: dennisw
Build a fence then give drones to the Mexicans to kill the Zeta leadership. But reason we don't do this is we figure the Zetas will retaliate by bringing Muslim terrorists across the border.

Nah.

We don't do it because we know the cartels will bribe the Mexican ground crews and pilots to mount luggage pods stuffed with drugs under the wings for low level flights north across the big river. :-)

Two or three Air National Guard units in Texas and New Mexico fly Predators. Best to keep command and control on this side of the river. Otherwise, excellent idea.

44 posted on 06/19/2011 7:05:43 AM PDT by Racehorse (Always preach the Gospel . . . . Use words if necessary.)
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To: Racehorse
Step one:


Ask the Israelis how they keep terrorists out.

45 posted on 06/19/2011 7:06:03 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Ditter
We would have to stay in Mexico forever, corruption is ingrained, I have been told he came with the Spanish.

We stayed in Hawaii and Alaska forever, too. :)

46 posted on 06/19/2011 7:06:28 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Pan_Yan
If you do that you live with the consequences. Ignorant populations will give you elections like in Gaza where they all voted for Hamas, or the United States where they all voted for American Idle.

Well then, we will send Democrats, who are expert at holding free elections (in which they are instructed who to vote for). :)

47 posted on 06/19/2011 7:13:28 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Lazamataz

It would not bother me a bit to take over Mexico by force. I have a feeling that the good people of Mexico would love it.


48 posted on 06/19/2011 7:24:42 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Ditter

I’m still waiting to see if some brain surgeon ‘journalist’ will make the connection between LaRaza and Los Zetas.


49 posted on 06/19/2011 7:33:46 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Racehorse

The stupid, lazy and cowardly Americans using illegal drugs have never hurt anyone. They’re too stupid, lazy and chicken to change their reality, so they take drugs to ignore their reality for a few minutes and send funds to the most vicious groups in the history of the world. Everything will be fine, and the flying pigs will deliver their drugs, if they’re legalized.


50 posted on 06/19/2011 7:57:59 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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