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My Ex-Gay Friend
The New York Times ^ | June 16, 2011 | BENOIT DENIZET-LEWIS

Posted on 06/19/2011 7:01:10 AM PDT by Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

One Saturday afternoon last winter, I drove north on Route 85 through the rolling rangeland of southeastern Wyoming. I was headed to a small town north of Cheyenne to see an old friend and colleague named Michael Glatze. We worked together 12 years ago at XY, a San Francisco-based national magazine for young gay men, back when we were young gay men ourselves.

Though only a year removed from Dartmouth when he arrived at XY, Michael had seemingly read every gay book ever written. While I was busy trying to secure a boyfriend, he was busy contemplating queer theory, marching in gay rights rallies and urging young people to celebrate (not just accept) their same-sex attractions. Michael was devoted to helping gay youth, and he was particularly affected by the letters the magazine received regularly from teenagers who were rejected by their religious families. “Christian fundamentalists should burn in hell!” he told me once, slamming his fist on his desk. I had never met anyone so sure of himself.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: christianity; faith; glatze; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; moralabsolutes; redemption; religion

1 posted on 06/19/2011 7:01:13 AM PDT by Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
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To: flowerplough
Like, *PING*, ...

DUDE.

(Lurkers: see here for explanation.)

Cheers!

2 posted on 06/19/2011 7:06:28 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
You'll have to tell us a synopsis. When I clicked on their site, this is what shows:

PLEASE LOG IN

Log in to manage your products and services from The New York Times and the International Herald Tribune.

3 posted on 06/19/2011 7:06:38 AM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

Heh... another easy one in the can for the Almighty God. With Him of course, all things are possible. ;)


4 posted on 06/19/2011 7:08:46 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: TennesseeGirl

It’s free to register at the NYT and only takes a minute. The synopsis is that he found God and the truth that God is love not another man. He has moved to Wyoming and is pursuing a life of faith although he is still struggling to find a church that supports his views. It’s basically the story of the prodigal son.


5 posted on 06/19/2011 7:10:59 AM PDT by Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

“In a WorldNetDaily article, Michael wrote about why he believes he mistakenly took on a gay identity: “When I was about 13 I decided I must be gay because I was unable to handle my own masculinity.” He went on to blame his father for that, which is consistent with the ex-gay narrative that same-sex attraction among boys is often a result of a deficit of masculinity, usually caused by a fissure in the father-son bond.”

The breakdown of the traditional family is so tragic for children, yet “gay activists” continue to promote it. This is an amazing story and really pulls the layers off of homosexuality.


6 posted on 06/19/2011 7:14:16 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: TennesseeGirl

I’m not experiencing that. Clicked it and got the NYT article on the first try.


7 posted on 06/19/2011 7:18:13 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: grey_whiskers

The article is about a gay activist going straight.


8 posted on 06/19/2011 7:23:19 AM PDT by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." -- Kool-aid)
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To: grey_whiskers

My mistake. I failed to notice who you replied to.


9 posted on 06/19/2011 7:24:28 AM PDT by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." -- Kool-aid)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

I found some insight at reading the article. The gays bandy about that phony “homophobia” label because that’s how they rationalize their own nagging misgivings about their deviance.


10 posted on 06/19/2011 7:26:31 AM PDT by Stalwart
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

“tall, lean, blond, BOYISHLY handsome”

There you have the essence of this creep’s sexual demons.


11 posted on 06/19/2011 7:26:53 AM PDT by Fightin Whitey
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

“My old friend, it seems, has picked the perfect place to go straight.”

Wyoming makes more sense than SanFran.

Good read but yeah, I got the impression that Michael could not stay in the SF area due to his same sex attractions, if he wants to try to be straight now.


12 posted on 06/19/2011 7:28:06 AM PDT by Grunthor (Make the lefts' collective brain cell implode; Cain/Bolton 2012.)
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To: pnh102

There’s a lady in Atlanta, with a similar story. She started a gay magazine early in life and then was saved. Now the magazine is devoted to ministering to gays. I don’t remember the name of the mag but the website now tells her story. Truly uplifting.


13 posted on 06/19/2011 7:31:18 AM PDT by rabidralph
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Has anyone ever met a Gay person that hadn’t gone through some horrific life trauma as a child? Ever single gay person I know has confessed to me they were molested or abused as a child.


14 posted on 06/19/2011 7:36:10 AM PDT by RC51
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
The part I found most interesting is the part where the author says that the ex-gay man and his boyfriend...

"unapologetically pursued what the writer Paul Monette called the uniquely gay experience of 'flagrant joy.' But unlike some of our friends who rode the flagrant joy train all the way to rehab, Michael and Ben rarely seemed out of control."

Now, think about how different that is from heterosexuality in the first place. How many times do we look at a heterosexual and say, "that guy's in rehab because he liked dating women too much and couldn't handle it?"

Homosexual activists will claim that the prevalence to addiction and other psych problems are the result of persecution or lack of acceptance, but I'll believe that when they show me data that proves gay guys living in the heart of the Castro are just as stable as heteros living in the 'burbs or Wyoming.

15 posted on 06/19/2011 7:46:19 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

Great story. Glad to hear Michael Glatze is doing well.


16 posted on 06/19/2011 7:48:03 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: ilovesarah2012
A few years ago I eve dropped on a conversation while waiting in line to buy tickets. A woman, talked on her cell phone like she was in a phone booth. She was 30ish and bemoaned the fact that when she was younger she had chosen to be gay. She was very unhappy with that choice now and didn't know how to get out of it. It was quite an eye opening experience for me.
17 posted on 06/19/2011 7:48:10 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Mr. Silverback

Arghh! That’s frustrating. Everybody else clicks on and gets the article...me, it asks to log in, lol. Must be because I they can detect my computer address as Knoxville, TN. They KNOW how backward we East Tennesseans are, lollll!


18 posted on 06/19/2011 7:48:48 AM PDT by TennesseeGirl
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To: Stalwart

This throws water on their dogma that they are born that way. If one can be delivered from homosexuality, then that should tell the propagandists that they aren’t born that way.


19 posted on 06/19/2011 7:50:05 AM PDT by Catsrus
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To: rabidralph
There’s a lady in Atlanta, with a similar story. She started a gay magazine early in life and then was saved. Now the magazine is devoted to ministering to gays. I don’t remember the name of the mag but the website now tells her story. Truly uplifting.

That's Charlene Cothran with Venus Magazine, which is yet another great ex-gay story: http://www.venusmagazine.org/

I think Cothran is in Florida.

20 posted on 06/19/2011 7:51:23 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Grunthor
Good read but yeah, I got the impression that Michael could not stay in the SF area due to his same sex attractions, if he wants to try to be straight now.

Well, for him, living where the center of gay everything is just a bus ride away is sort of like dieting next to a candy factory.

21 posted on 06/19/2011 7:51:28 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Anyone who says we need illegals to do the jobs Americans won't do has never watched "Dirty Jobs.")
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To: RC51

My oldest daughter is a lesbian. If she was ever molested she has never mentioned it to me. The only “abuse” she suffered was the fact that her real father didn’t bother much with her or her sister after our divorce. Their stepfather was a far better father to them. Her three sisters are all straight.
Interesting enough her partner’s parents are also divorced, and her father is absent in her life.
I don’t think we can make blanket assumptions about abuse or molestation.


22 posted on 06/19/2011 7:52:20 AM PDT by Wiser now (Liberalism is immaturity, cloaked with the pretense of moral and intellectual superiority.)
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To: TennesseeGirl

It didn’t ask me to sign in, which makes me wonder, am I logged in?


23 posted on 06/19/2011 7:53:36 AM PDT by Ditter
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass
Excellent article, well worth the read. Very fair being in the NYT and written by a gay guy.

An “ex-gay” must have “never really been gay”. How convenient.

Typical “ trying to fill that hole in your life” with everything you can think of, until you actually find out the only thing that can fill it, is Jesus. If you are truly “born again”, you know exactly what I am talking about.

24 posted on 06/19/2011 7:54:49 AM PDT by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: Fightin Whitey
"There you have the essence of this creep’s sexual demons."

That might be an admission that he was (is?) an ugly duckling (or perhaps perceiving themselves as such even if they are good looking themselves) and that is why so many gays are abnormally ugly.

Thinking about it, It might be that it's the ugly ones that target the good looking kids as objects of their affection, bestowing much attention, favors and words of praise on them in order to gain their confidence, trust and friendship -- always with a view to eventually gaining their bodies.

So to test this possibilty, check out your gay acquaintances and see if the uglier of the two plays the the opposite sex in the relationship.

25 posted on 06/19/2011 7:58:35 AM PDT by Eastbound (3-7-77)
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To: Mr. Silverback; Grunthor
Well, for him, living where the center of gay everything is just a bus ride away is sort of like dieting next to a candy factory.

And quite a few other analogies.

I remember reading a few years ago somebody saying: "You're more likely to be gay growing up in California than in Oklahoma." I completely agree.

26 posted on 06/19/2011 7:59:35 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: Catsrus
This throws water on their dogma that they are born that way. If one can be delivered from homosexuality, then that should tell the propagandists that they aren’t born that way.

Indeed. The hatred thrown at ex-gays and those who claim change is possible is quite telling. A guy named Robert Spitzer was key in getting homosexuality removed from the mental illness DSM (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual). Then he interviewed about 200 ex-gays and now believes gays can change. After discussing his belief that gays can change, Spitzer once had to cancel a conference because of fears for his safety. And gays want tolerance... as long as they agree with it.

27 posted on 06/19/2011 8:08:48 AM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: TennesseeGirl

hate to tell ya TG....I got in on first click too :P (and I’m on dial up) Sorry...just have a little fun teasing.

Can’t figure why it would ask you to register...


28 posted on 06/19/2011 8:13:04 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman (Banned from the Rush Limbaugh Facebook page on 06/17/2011.)
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To: Wiser now; rc1

I do think a lot of homosexuals experience some sort of trauma, but it isn’t all necessarily abuse. One study showed that lesbians lost their mothers (to death) in the preteen years at a much higher rate than the general population.

Think of the women who are married for 15, 20, 30 years and are divorced and now “out.” I think the trauma from the divorce is a driver.

I think there are definite self image problems and I think the psychological community really needs to study these and help people deal with them.


29 posted on 06/19/2011 8:41:17 AM PDT by PrincessB (Drill Baby Drill.)
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To: Wiser now
the fact that her real father didn’t bother much with her or her sister after our divorce

For some divorce alone is enough.

I certainly don't know if this is the case with your daughter, but a sensitive person might sub-consciously lose all hope of a man being committed to her if she sees such a dynamic happen with her parents.

30 posted on 06/19/2011 10:34:26 AM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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31 posted on 06/19/2011 10:36:45 AM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: RC51

Yes, more than one actually. Although the trauma and lack of a good relationship with a father is very common.


32 posted on 06/19/2011 11:48:51 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: RC51

Yes, more than one actually. Although the trauma and lack of a good relationship with a father is very common.


33 posted on 06/19/2011 11:49:02 AM PDT by aberaussie
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To: Stalwart

You’ll notice that when he was gay, his heart was full of hate for people who didn’t agree with his choice. Now he only hates what he did rather than people.


34 posted on 06/19/2011 11:56:33 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Pride_of_the_Bluegrass

Homosexual activist hate no one more viscerally than the “gay” who has seen the light and is “gay” no more.


35 posted on 06/19/2011 1:17:10 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: scripter

Yep, that’s the lady I’m thinking of.


36 posted on 06/19/2011 2:24:41 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: RC51

Yes, I’ve heard that quite a few times from friends.


37 posted on 06/19/2011 6:33:32 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Wiser now
If she was ever molested she has never mentioned it to me.

That's not something that people just "mention" in a matter-of-fact sort of way. Even if you are close to your daughter, it would be difficult to talk about, especially if it was a family member or a close family friend.

38 posted on 06/19/2011 6:38:43 PM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Mr. Silverback

That’s funny in a sad way. I know a hetro man who is a serial cheater.. the more perverted the better. His current wife (#4) will do the most despicable things to keep him. The guy is an addict. Seriously. In passing once he made a comment about his father always making him feel like he’s 12.... like he has to prove something. Destroyed from the inside out.

The Michael person is right.. it’s about trying on anything to make yourself feel loved when the Right One is before you and you still reject Him.


39 posted on 06/20/2011 1:50:47 PM PDT by Jaded (Whatever.... really.)
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To: RC51

I know at least one gay man who was molested by his gay uncle as a child before that I know he did show interest in girls. The “lesbians” I know had a more incidental cause. One woman I know was raped as a child she was involved with a “transexual” and converted to Islam and is now married. Another had a roomate in college that introduced her to lesbianism. I feel a bit bad because she had shown interest in me. I know of a professor who was heterosexual for many years and had a penchant for cheating on his wife with his young female students. Some how he ended up with one of his male students. I think he burnt himself out personally. All of these things are much more complex than anyone will admit.


40 posted on 06/28/2011 9:59:10 AM PDT by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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