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The Defense Rests (Sec. Gates: Resigning in part before U.S. goes down on Obama's watch)
Newsweek ^ | Sunday, June 19, 2011 | John Barry and Tara McKelvey

Posted on 06/19/2011 3:28:26 PM PDT by kristinn

Aboard the Pentagon jet on his last foreign trip as secretary of defense, Robert Gates takes a moment to peer across the American horizon—and the view is dire: the U.S. is in danger of losing its supremacy on the global stage, he says.

“I’ve spent my entire adult life with the United States as a superpower, and one that had no compunction about spending what it took to sustain that position,” he tells NEWSWEEK, seated in a windowless conference room aboard the Boeing E-4B. “It didn’t have to look over its shoulder because our economy was so strong. This is a different time.”

A pause.

“To tell you the truth, that’s one of the many reasons it’s time for me to retire, because frankly I can’t imagine being part of a nation, part of a government … that’s being forced to dramatically scale back our engagement with the rest of the world.”

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1 posted on 06/19/2011 3:28:31 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn
I can’t imagine being part of a nation, part of a government … that’s being forced to dramatically scale back our engagement with the rest of the world.”

First, this is from Newsweek (the seat of DoubleSpeak). Remember the cover stating that we are ALL Socialists Now? Well, WE aren't.

Second, there is nothing wrong with scaling down government. And there is nothing wrong with telling our enemies that we will no longer be blackmailed into supporting them financially....Tell the Marxist at the U.N. to go straight to hell (whence they came). Tell the rest of the foreign slimes who have put us under assault that we will trade with our friends and do no favors with those who seek to destroy us. FUBO!

2 posted on 06/19/2011 3:36:05 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: kristinn
Getting out before the DADT liberated homosexuals get a hold of HIM.

Too bad the average sailor,soldier,airman and marine about to be homosexually molested and PC punished if they complain don't have the same privilege.

3 posted on 06/19/2011 3:36:15 PM PDT by Happy Rain (2012= "E quindi uscimmo a riveder le stelle.")
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To: kristinn

Gates was a good public servant.

I’d still rather have Don Rumsfeld at the helm of DOD, warts and all.


4 posted on 06/19/2011 3:38:54 PM PDT by Reagan Man ("In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.")
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To: Texas Fossil

There is everything wrong in backing away from the world, ‘leading from behind’ and hollowing out our military.


5 posted on 06/19/2011 3:39:41 PM PDT by kristinn (Lowering the IQ on FR since Jul 31, 1998)
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To: kristinn
This is a different time.”

CHANGE

6 posted on 06/19/2011 3:43:51 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Reagan Man; All

“I’d still rather have Don Rumsfeld at the helm of DOD, warts and all.”

Both Rumsfeld and Gates have their strenghts and weaknesses. If it wasn’t for his caving on DADT, Gates would have been a decent SECDEF in many ways.


7 posted on 06/19/2011 3:47:50 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: kristinn

What kind of AMERICAN only want’s to wield power then
when things get tough, want’s to bug out?

Yeah, we’re gonna have to cut back, make do with less,
that’s the kind of challenge AMERICAN’s thrive on, we
do what needs be done. We don’t pack up and hike once
the cream is off the top!!!

I got no use for someone like Gates and I sure wouldn’t want
him in a fox hole with me.


8 posted on 06/19/2011 3:48:26 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: kristinn

What kind of AMERICAN only want’s to wield power then
when things get tough, want’s to bug out?

Yeah, we’re gonna have to cut back, make do with less,
that’s the kind of challenge AMERICAN’s thrive on, we
do what needs be done. We don’t pack up and hike once
the cream is off the top!!!

I got no use for someone like Gates and I sure wouldn’t want
him in a fox hole with me.


9 posted on 06/19/2011 3:48:28 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: kristinn

Civilization will lament a US in decline.


10 posted on 06/19/2011 4:00:47 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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To: kristinn

I reject the concept of “leading from behind” altogether.

That is just another way of saying “NOT LEADING AT ALL.”


11 posted on 06/19/2011 4:06:24 PM PDT by PowerPro (TN State O4P Coordinator | http://tennessee4palin.com | Twitter @TN4P)
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To: Sola Veritas

Gates was selected for his pro-homosexual stance.


12 posted on 06/19/2011 4:13:32 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: tet68
Your tagline reminded me of that wonderful leadership speech; gives me an excuse to trot it again!

Enter the KING

WESTMORELAND. O that we now had here But one ten thousand of those men in England That do no work to-day!

KING. What's he that wishes so? My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin; If we are mark'd to die, we are enow To do our country loss; and if to live, The fewer men, the greater share of honour. God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more. By Jove, I am not covetous for gold, Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost; It yearns me not if men my garments wear; Such outward things dwell not in my desires. But if it be a sin to covet honour, I am the most offending soul alive. No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England. God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour As one man more methinks would share from me For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more! Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host, That he which hath no stomach to this fight, Let him depart; his passport shall be made, And crowns for convoy put into his purse; We would not die in that man's company That fears his fellowship to die with us. This day is call'd the feast of Crispian. He that outlives this day, and comes safe home, Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd, And rouse him at the name of Crispian. He that shall live this day, and see old age, Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours, And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.' Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars, And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day.' Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember, with advantages, What feats he did that day. Then shall our names, Familiar in his mouth as household words- Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter, Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester- Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red. This story shall the good man teach his son; And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by, From this day to the ending of the world, But we in it shall be remembered- We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition; And gentlemen in England now-a-bed Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

(A few favorite parts emphasized!)

13 posted on 06/19/2011 4:17:59 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: tet68
Your tagline reminded me of that wonderful leadership speech; gives me an excuse to trot it again!

Enter the KING

WESTMORELAND. O that we now had here But one ten thousand of those men in England That do no work to-day!

KING. What's he that wishes so? My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin; If we are mark'd to die, we are enow To do our country loss; and if to live, The fewer men, the greater share of honour. God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more. By Jove, I am not covetous for gold, Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost; It yearns me not if men my garments wear; Such outward things dwell not in my desires. But if it be a sin to covet honour, I am the most offending soul alive. No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England. God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour As one man more methinks would share from me For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more! Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host, That he which hath no stomach to this fight, Let him depart; his passport shall be made, And crowns for convoy put into his purse; We would not die in that man's company That fears his fellowship to die with us. This day is call'd the feast of Crispian. He that outlives this day, and comes safe home, Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd, And rouse him at the name of Crispian. He that shall live this day, and see old age, Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours, And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.' Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars, And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day.' Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember, with advantages, What feats he did that day. Then shall our names, Familiar in his mouth as household words- Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter, Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester- Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red. This story shall the good man teach his son; And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by, From this day to the ending of the world, But we in it shall be remembered- We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition; And gentlemen in England now-a-bed Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

(A few favorite parts emphasized!)

14 posted on 06/19/2011 4:18:37 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: kristinn

Gates would have more credibility if he wasn’t in favor of gays infesting our military.


15 posted on 06/19/2011 4:32:26 PM PDT by South40 (Ron Paul and his flaming antiwar spam monkeys can Kiss my Ass!!" -- Jim Robinson, 09/30/07)
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To: zzeeman


Hey Gates, maybe if you took a smaller plane than a Boeing E-4B to shuttle your around, we would have more cash for the military.
16 posted on 06/19/2011 4:33:47 PM PDT by WaterBoard
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To: kristinn

Perhaps North Korea developing the ability to put an EMP bomb in a missile with the range and power to knock out the entire North American continent and our illustrious Senate doing NOTHING to harden our current power suply because it wasn’t as important as hackers had something to do with it...

Perhaps Iran’s ability to launch missiles into space now has something to do with it, now that they have enough weaponized plutonium to make one hell of a lot of bombs...


17 posted on 06/19/2011 4:48:14 PM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: kristinn

Perhaps North Korea developing the ability to put an EMP bomb in a missile with the range and power to knock out the entire North American continent and our illustrious Senate doing NOTHING to harden our current power suply because it wasn’t as important as hackers had something to do with it...

Perhaps Iran’s ability to launch missiles into space now has something to do with it, now that they have enough weaponized plutonium to make one hell of a lot of bombs...


18 posted on 06/19/2011 4:48:23 PM PDT by Dogbert41
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To: WaterBoard

Truth.

Under Gates the DoD budget increased 44%. If we cut it back to 2006 levels we would still outspend China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, India, Brazil, United Arab Emirates, Turkey and Iran combined by 26%.


19 posted on 06/19/2011 4:54:57 PM PDT by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: EGPWS

welcome to BRA...white man in leadership positions and his memories are no longer needed...


20 posted on 06/19/2011 4:59:29 PM PDT by antivenom (visit SBPDLand at least read what you and the liberal media are too afraid to say)
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To: kristinn

Perhaps Gates is bugging out before Obama gets indicted for war crimes.


21 posted on 06/19/2011 5:20:46 PM PDT by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: tet68

In the News/Activism forum, on a thread titled The Defense Rests (Sec. Gates: Resigning in part before U.S. goes down on Obama’s watch), tet68 wrote:

“What kind of AMERICAN only want’s to wield power then
when things get tough, want’s to bug out?

Yeah, we’re gonna have to cut back, make do with less,
that’s the kind of challenge AMERICAN’s thrive on, we
do what needs be done. We don’t pack up and hike once
the cream is off the top!!!

I got no use for someone like Gates and I sure wouldn’t want
him in a fox hole with me.”
~~~~~~~~~

He’s bowing out because our economy is weak? Unless he was edited unfairly, he made himself look like a coward slinking out the back door. Better for him to have said nothing at all.


22 posted on 06/19/2011 5:33:33 PM PDT by thouworm
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To: Hoodat

Gates is leaving because he was told to leave so Panetta can orchestrate the use of our courageous military to force through the globalists’ strategies of world in chaos to be saved by the controllers of money. If you doubt it, watch the headlines in the next few days as armored units are shipped to Libya to be killed by the al qaeda rebels and the Libyan army. We have a treacherous thug in the White House who ignores OUR Constitution. He works for others, not for America.


23 posted on 06/19/2011 5:36:10 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: kristinn

You can’t support an adequate military force without an adequate manufacturing base. Politicos will scoff at that, until consequences arrive.


24 posted on 06/19/2011 5:41:22 PM PDT by familyop (Rome was burned in a day--twice.)
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To: kristinn

NOW he speaks out?
What a gutless wonder.


25 posted on 06/19/2011 5:48:10 PM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: kristinn

NOW he speaks out?
What a gutless wonder.


26 posted on 06/19/2011 5:48:34 PM PDT by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: tet68

“Yeah, we’re gonna have to cut back, make do with less,
that’s the kind of challenge AMERICAN’s thrive on, we
do what needs be done.”

That is what Americans once were. With the dumbing down and gimme entitlement mentality of so many people today, methinks not so much. Just the brutal facts as I see them, OMMV.


27 posted on 06/19/2011 5:56:26 PM PDT by Sea Parrot
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To: Hoodat
Perhaps Gates is bugging out before Obama gets indicted for war crimes.

Like the one with Mexico? Seriously, Supplying arms to Terrorists in a foreign nation is an act of WAR against said nation!

28 posted on 06/19/2011 6:31:19 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist (It is necessary that a person be born of a father who is a citizen; ~Vattel's Law of Nations)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Gates was selected for his pro-homosexual stance.

What? He was selected for SECDEF because of his willingness to support the surge in Iraq back in 06.

29 posted on 06/19/2011 7:31:08 PM PDT by chargers fan
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To: EGPWS
CHANGE

COMING....I hope.....

30 posted on 06/19/2011 8:27:40 PM PDT by LUV W (RUN SARAH...R U N!!!)
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To: Reagan Man

Can’t get any better than Rumsfeld...at least he was a former Naval Pilot...understood the military...


31 posted on 06/19/2011 9:08:53 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judah and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: Reagan Man

Can’t get any better than Rumsfeld...at least he was a former Naval Pilot...understood the military...


32 posted on 06/19/2011 9:09:19 PM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 "Woe unto those who say they are Judah and are not, but are of the synaGOGue of Satan.")
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To: kristinn

Oh for the days of Cap Weinberger.


33 posted on 06/19/2011 10:46:34 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: tet68

That was worth saying more than twice!

Thank you for the post, and thank you for your service.


34 posted on 06/20/2011 12:03:42 AM PDT by dixiechick2000 (Age, skill, wisdom, and a little treachery will always overcome youth and arrogance!)
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To: Reagan Man

I really have no major beef with Gates, but I have very great respect for Don Rumsfeld, and I am totally convinced that he acted in what he saw as the best interests of our country, and was and is one of the greatest patriots in the service of our country.


35 posted on 06/20/2011 12:49:07 AM PDT by matthew fuller (My realistic, updated (06/05/11) dream picks, in order: 1.DeMint 2.Palin 3.Bachmann 4.Bolton 5. Cain)
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To: Happy Rain

This was my first thought as well, the SECDEF that made the military safe for degeneracy.


36 posted on 06/20/2011 1:03:52 AM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: Texas Fossil

There is never anything good about leading from behind.


37 posted on 06/20/2011 3:28:53 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama: the Unholy Won.)
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To: familyop; kristinn
"Politicos will scoff at that, until consequences arrive."

Again. We have only to look back to Bill Clinton's military policy - the one lefties and "conservatives" alike blame on GW Bush.

38 posted on 06/20/2011 3:33:03 AM PDT by cake_crumb (Obama: the Unholy Won.)
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To: kristinn

How’s that “free trade” thing working, America?


39 posted on 06/20/2011 3:38:35 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (BUY AMERICAN. The job you save will be your son's, or your daughter's)
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To: kristinn

do I need more coffee, or.....

Did Gates play right along with cutting back defense spending up until recently?


40 posted on 06/20/2011 4:54:33 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: kristinn

I’ll take Newsweek with a grain of salt.

Gates’ best speech was the one he gave NATO last week, essentially calling them opn the carpet for not doing enough, leaving the US to shoulder all of the military burden. I almsot stood up and applauded. I am going to miss him, one of the few adults in the room with the man-child adminstration. I wish him well in retirement, Lord knows he has earned it.


41 posted on 06/20/2011 4:58:06 AM PDT by SueRae (I can see November 2012 from my HOUSE!!!!!!!!)
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To: kristinn
There is everything wrong in backing away from the world, ‘leading from behind’ and hollowing out our military.

No where did I say back away from the world. Nothing was said about leadership. Nothing was said about hollowing out the military.

I am a nationalist not an Internationalist. A nation leads from a position of strength and only when we recover that can we make our contribution.

And the military... That is where the "Left" always talks about cutting. We have the most powerful military in the world, were it not, we would already be subjects to the vermin who seek to destroy us.

42 posted on 06/20/2011 5:10:29 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: silverleaf

That was worth posting twice.


43 posted on 06/20/2011 5:17:17 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: MHGinTN
He works for others, not for America.

Yes he does. The forces of Darkness.

44 posted on 06/20/2011 5:22:50 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: cake_crumb
There is never anything good about leading from behind.

Behind? You can only lead from a position of strength. That must be regained. Not just financial or military strength, but moral strength.

45 posted on 06/20/2011 5:25:16 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: kristinn

Secetary Gates is a holdover from President Bush’s cabinet. He’s been saying for a very long time that he was going to resign as SECDEF prior to the end of President Obama’s term, and that he’d announce his resignation before the 2012 presidential campaign makes it impossible to get a new SECDEF nominated and confirmed without getting entangled in a political uproar.

In other words, his resignation at this time is no surprise.

I have no reason to believe that Gates resigned because of disagreement with President Obama’s policies; I think his resignation was planned long ago, but I also think he **DOES** disagree and I wouldn’t be surprised to see him saying a lot more in the next year or so. Remember that the president of the Association of the United States Army has spoken a lot about how he was unhappy with the Clinton drawdown of the military while he was serving as a four-star general, but of course, he had to do what he was told by Clinton as the commander-in-chief.

People who want to attack the SECDEF for going along with President Obama’s policies need to remember that in the military chain of command, if you’ve got a major problem with the direction of the military, you resign your commission and then speak out when you’re not part of the military. The SECDEF may wear a suit and tie rather than stars, but the same rules apply to him as any other senior leader in the Department of Defense.

I don’t like President Obama any more than 99.9 percent of other Freepers, but I hope we can all agree that those in the chain of command need to follow the chain of command. To deny that principle is to go down a road that leads to military coups and banana republics. Elections have consequences, and the way to fix the problems Obama is causing is to vote him out of office. As long as he’s there, those in the chain of command need to do as they’re told or resign their commissions — and I might get really happy right now if a senior leader got mad enough to resign his/her commission in protest and join the presidential race on a platform of keeping our president from hollowing out our military.

(Yeah, I know ... shoot me for saying his/her. I know female colonels who are really mad at President Obama’s policies, so maybe there are some really mad female generals or admirals out there, too. If so, they’re saying quiet, and that’s what they should be doing since politics is not their job.)


46 posted on 06/20/2011 5:29:28 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: Jacquerie
Civilization will lament a US in decline.

Unfortunately, much of the world rejects civilization.

47 posted on 06/20/2011 5:34:22 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: kristinn

He was on a Fox interview (Think it was with Chris Wallace) and said he thought O was handling the Libya situation legally. Gates is saying ‘all the right things’ before he leaves office in approx a week. I was hoping he’d say something to indicate that congressional approval was needed, but he didn’t. Surprised me, but he is being loyal to his boss.


48 posted on 06/20/2011 5:34:36 AM PDT by HollyB
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To: darrellmaurina
Just re-read my post... I certainly wasn't trying to downplay the role of enlisted personnel and talk only about officers. I'd also also love to see a former command sergeant major run for president, though I realize they'd probably need to first serve in Congress or as a governor of a state.

Granted, most Americans don't even know what “CSM” means and it would take time to explain the role of the highest-ranking senior enlisted personnel as “enlisted equivalents to a general who don't need to ‘play nice.’” It might be refreshing to see somebody run for office from the senior enlisted ranks, at least at the Congressional level. Let's just say that “go along to get along” would most emphatically not be the motto of any retired CSM serving in Congress.

49 posted on 06/20/2011 5:51:03 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: thouworm

I read it as saying he’s resigning because the economy is grossly mismanaged. A poorly run economy will greatly impact military funding and mission posture and he wants no part in that.


50 posted on 06/20/2011 6:04:39 AM PDT by Justa
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