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German Giant Says US Workers Lack Skills (Siemens)
Financial Times/CNBC ^ | 6/20/11

Posted on 06/20/2011 5:19:51 AM PDT by markomalley

A mismatch in the US labour market between the skills of unemployed people and the jobs available is making it hard for some companies to find the right staff despite an unemployment rate of more than 9 percent, one of the country’s largest manufacturing employers has warned.

Eric Spiegel, chief executive in the US for Siemens, the German engineering group, said the problem exposed weaknesses in education and training in the US. Siemens had been forced to use more than 30 recruiters and hire staff from other companies to find the workers it needed for its expansion plans, even amid an unemployment rate of 9.1 percent

“There’s a mismatch between the jobs that are available, at least in our portfolio, and the people that we see out there,” Mr Spiegel told the Financial Times. “There is a shortage (of workers with the right skills.)”

He said Siemens was having to invest in education and training to meet its staffing needs, including apprenticeship programmes of the kind it uses in Germany.

His comments, made before Tim Geithner, the Treasury secretary, visits a Siemens plant in Ohio on Monday, suggest better education and training could help reduce the persistently high US unemployment rate.

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That is the result of FEDGOV domination of education.
1 posted on 06/20/2011 5:19:54 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

40 years of destroying our own manufacturing base will have that effect.


2 posted on 06/20/2011 5:22:29 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: markomalley

“...including apprenticeship programmes of the kind it uses in Germany.”

This would seem to be a good thing.


3 posted on 06/20/2011 5:24:13 AM PDT by smalltownslick
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To: markomalley

Siemens is one of our main competitors. He’s talking about chemical engineers and hardware and software engineers familiar with fluid process control among other things. Rare talent.


4 posted on 06/20/2011 5:26:24 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland (!@)
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To: Wolfie

this is rich - the Presient f a Siemens group told a customer to pound sand when his products shut down a hospital...because their software did not work. Gemans send business to American because they can’t fire anyone for any reason. They have not added a single engineering position in the entire country in the last 10 years...all hires are at the American branches.


5 posted on 06/20/2011 5:26:45 AM PDT by q_an_a (a)
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To: markomalley

affirmative action does not produce quality applicants for a position

just check 1600 pennsylvania

but hey, don’t worry... i’m sure all those unemployed are homo friendly, unborn babies are just fetal tissue, white men are greedy/evil, and believe capitalism is the problem.


6 posted on 06/20/2011 5:27:13 AM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: markomalley

What a shock!

Siemens finds they need to give their American workers some training—just like they need to give their German workers.


7 posted on 06/20/2011 5:27:53 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: markomalley
Of course, this is with everyone and their dog going to college.

If you have ever interviewed recent college grads or interns, you know that for every good one there are five who are wasting their time going to college.

It is amazing to me how someone can spend a semester in a college level class, pass it, and know nothing about the subject.

8 posted on 06/20/2011 5:28:11 AM PDT by hopespringseternal
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To: markomalley
"Responding to those concerns, the administration this month launched a nationwide expansion of the Skills for America’s Future programme, offering training, workforce development and job placements to help people find jobs in industry."

Now do you feel better?

9 posted on 06/20/2011 5:28:54 AM PDT by Batrachian (Prepare for four more years.)
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To: Peter from Rutland

Siemens spends billions bribing government officials around the world. Its part of their sales and marketing plan.


10 posted on 06/20/2011 5:29:01 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: markomalley

Interesting. There was another WAPO article this morning suggesting that many US jobs can’t be filled. I wonder if Obama’s minions in the press are lining up behind him to deflect criticism of management of the economy and joblessness by blaming American workers.


11 posted on 06/20/2011 5:29:45 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: Peter from Rutland

Exactly and they want to pay them squat. I hate Siemens with a passion. They have customer hostile service. One of their sale reps showed up last month trying to sell me their PLC line — which in IMHO is slow clunky and has lousy support. Clear that it wasn’t the first time he had heard that!!


12 posted on 06/20/2011 5:29:54 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Demons run when a good man goes to war.)
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To: smalltownslick

“...including apprenticeship programmes of the kind it uses in Germany.”

Here, Here!

BRAVO!

Let’s get with the program and stop bowing to the idol of “Higher Education” and begin to teach children to be responsible, productive ADULTS, instead of perennial students, locked in their peer group pressure.

Give them teachers who have actually DONE something instead of simply living their lives in the classroom for 16 to 20 years before moving to the other side of the desk to become ‘Professors’.


13 posted on 06/20/2011 5:31:46 AM PDT by BwanaNdege (For those who have fought for it, Life bears a savor the protected will never know.)
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To: markomalley

When schools are more determined to teach entitlement values rather than math you get this result.


14 posted on 06/20/2011 5:32:04 AM PDT by armymarinemom (My sons freed Iraqi and Afghan Honor Roll students.)
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To: smalltownslick

-——This would seem to be a good thing-——

There is a downside. That is, an apprentice program is like digging a rut. Once in the rut, you have trouble getting out.

The rise of specialized programs in local colleges teaching general skills in very specialized programs that meet the needs of local companies also works very well. To be successful, it requires the collaboration of industry and the college.


15 posted on 06/20/2011 5:34:16 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: markomalley

World War II era

Preceding World War II, Siemens was involved in funding the rise of the Nazi Party and the secret rearmament of Germany. During the second World War, Siemens supported the Hitler regime, contributed to the war effort and participated in the “Nazification” of the economy. Siemens had many factories in and around notorious concentration camps[8][9] to build electric switches for military uses.[10] In one example, almost 100,000 men and women from Auschwitz worked in a Siemens factory inside the camp, supplying the electricity to the camp.


16 posted on 06/20/2011 5:35:28 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: markomalley
That is the result of FEDGOV domination of education.

In 2010, Barack Obama called for fixing the public education system by giving us the Elementary and Secondary Education Act and “Race to the Top”, which he said would fix the education system already fixed by the 2001 GW Bush and Ted Kennedy legislation called “No Child Left Behind,” which was supposed to fix a system supposedly already fixed by a 1994 piece of federal legislation called “Goals 2000,” which was supposed to fix a system already fixed by America 2000,” which was a 1991 response during the Bush administration to a 1983 federal report on education called “A Nation at Risk, which was published a full four years after Jimmy Carter fixed the nation’s public school system by first establishing a cabinet-level Department of Education in 1979.

17 posted on 06/20/2011 5:36:48 AM PDT by Maceman (Obama: As American as nasei goreng)
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To: markomalley
“The companies are leaner and heavily technology-intensive, and require more than a high school diploma.”
I have a feeling that he won’t be happy with a PhD in Marxist Sociology or Advanced Queer Studies, either…
18 posted on 06/20/2011 5:36:48 AM PDT by cartan
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To: bert

Collaboration and commitment. No sense in training in a specialized skill if the industry going to offshore your job for pennies on the dollar.


19 posted on 06/20/2011 5:37:01 AM PDT by Wolfie
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That is possibly true but one point can be easily made and that is America 45+ years ago lead the world in education, training and production and today the last time I looked we are way down the ranking list. As a nation our world ranking is slipping continuously and it is only getting worse. The US no longer turns out the properly trained labor force it would need to reclaim its once vaulted position of manufacturing capital of the world that we once enjoyed.

Our economy cannot survive on service sectors jobs alone. Without someone actually making something then what is there to repair or to service and to sell to other nations?! We have become one of the worlds largest debtor nations in just over 4 decades and it isn't getting any better any time soon. What a shame.

20 posted on 06/20/2011 5:43:21 AM PDT by Ron H. (The world may change but Gods word and commandments remain the same.)
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To: markomalley

Johnny can’t read, write or do math but he feels great about himself because he got several participation awards and his parents lawyer made sure he didn’t have to do any ‘difficult’ homework or cite the pledge of allegiance to the failed imperial American puppet masters....


21 posted on 06/20/2011 5:44:39 AM PDT by databoss
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To: Ron H.

That is what Free Trade™ will do for a country like ours. Ruin it.


22 posted on 06/20/2011 5:46:44 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: markomalley

BUT,BUT, we educated and have 65% of the worlds Lawyers!! with 4.6 % of the population!! We do not produce Kelly Johnson’s or Jonas Salk’s, we instead produce the worlds most worthless person, The Civil Rights lawyer,Couple this with Affirmative Action and it is a Wonder the electric is still on in this place.


23 posted on 06/20/2011 5:46:55 AM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: smalltownslick
Apprentice programs, start at the bottom and work your way up, only work when you have people that want to work, not just have a job.

Too many people want a job but they don't want to work, and they want to start at the top even though they don't have the slightest idea of what they are doing.

There is nothing new with this, I had the same problem running a crew back in the 70’s, it's just getting worse.

Get fired for not working, play the race card. If it's a union job, get fired and run to the union.

Same thing applies for people working their way up.

Someone gets skipped over for advancement because they are lazy, play the race card or run to the union.

24 posted on 06/20/2011 5:48:58 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: Maceman
.... In 2010, Barack Obama called for fixing the public education system by giving us the Elementary and Secondary Education Act and “Race to the Top”, which he said would fix the education system already fixed by the 2001 GW Bush and Ted Kennedy legislation called “No Child Left Behind,” which was supposed to fix a system supposedly already fixed by a 1994 piece of federal legislation called “Goals 2000,” which was supposed to fix a system already fixed by America 2000,” which was a 1991 response during the Bush administration to a 1983 federal report on education called “A Nation at Risk, which was published a full four years after Jimmy Carter fixed the nation’s public school system by first establishing a cabinet-level Department of Education in 1979.

And every time a new administration applies their own version for fixing the educational system it slips another notch or two ever lower down the ladder. Makes sense, if you're trying to destroy the system.

25 posted on 06/20/2011 5:49:34 AM PDT by Ron H. (The world may change but Gods word and commandments remain the same.)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I’ve heard the same thing about them.

And PLCs? HAHAHAHA! That’s like selling a model T. We’re doing FF, PROFIBUS and HART and have been for a long time now. Awesome safety record.


26 posted on 06/20/2011 5:50:47 AM PDT by Peter from Rutland (!@)
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To: markomalley
If Siemens doesn't recognize the value of a “Womyns Studies” degree, than that's their problem! /sarc
27 posted on 06/20/2011 5:52:58 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (Greed + Envy = Liberalism)
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To: central_va
That is what Free Trade™ will do for a country like ours. Ruin it.

Exactly and precisely and guess what, it has happened to America. Americans were sold a bill of goods and Americans bought it hook, line and sinker.

28 posted on 06/20/2011 5:53:15 AM PDT by Ron H. (The world may change but Gods word and commandments remain the same.)
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To: Cheetahcat
...it is a Wonder the electric is still on in this place.

It won't be for long if the Lawyer in Chief and his EPA have anything to say about it.....and they do.

29 posted on 06/20/2011 6:03:51 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Wolfie

“40 years of destroying our own manufacturing base will have that effect.”

Amen brother. The USA needed PATRIOTS in Congress and White House and instead we have Free Traitors that purposely sold out the USA to make lucrative markets for Wall Street and former USA, but now trans national corporations with allegiance only to their CEO bonus and international shareholders.

When the biggest USA employer is now Wal-Mart the skills and money aren’t there.


30 posted on 06/20/2011 6:08:51 AM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: markomalley

The crux of the problem is that employers have bought the lie from the Edumacation establishment that in return for their tax dollars, perfectly trained little worker bees will emerge from the end of the pipeline and the employer won’t have to invest a second of their time or a dime of their money in training.

It does not work that way in the real world.


31 posted on 06/20/2011 6:14:30 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: central_va

A cousin has a WW II collection of German stuff; helmets, uniforms, etc. Most of it is marked “Siemens.”


32 posted on 06/20/2011 6:17:31 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Eh ?)
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To: Wolfie

You assume that the manufacturing base was destroyed. Part of it was not destroyed, it was abandoned as uncompetitive. It was simply not required.

You assume that the world stands still and everything remains the same. The world of trade is dynamic, not static. Change is constant, the only constant.

The fact is the world did not stand still. The world entered the quest for better life and competed. Parts of American industry were bloated and over regulated and could not compete in the manufacture of many things. The work was lost to those who can make things at a lower price.

America still has a strong manufacturing base. That base is dependent on brains and skills and technology. The combination of those elements means that the labor required to produce is less than before. That change is called productivity increase. We make more with less labor.


33 posted on 06/20/2011 6:22:50 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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He said Siemens was having to invest in education and training to meet its staffing needs, including apprenticeship programmes of the kind it uses in Germany.

Well Helmut, it seems then that German workers aren't up to snuff then either..Donit! (arrogant bastard)

34 posted on 06/20/2011 6:24:43 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans freed the Slaves Month")
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To: hopespringseternal
It is amazing to me how someone can spend a semester in a college level class, pass it, and know nothing about the subject.

Read the book, The Five Year Party, and you will see how one can spend many years in college and learn nothing.

35 posted on 06/20/2011 6:26:27 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: Peter from Rutland
What he's asking for then is for the USA to pay for training people versed in extremely specialized work ~

Did this guy realize he runs a FOREIGN COMPANY?

36 posted on 06/20/2011 6:27:00 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

My grandfather fought all through the Pacific, and until the day he died in 2002, he could not understand how anyone could drive a Mitsubishi, Toyota, Volkswagen or Mercedes. Not because he believed in only buying American, but because those companies all churned out war machines to kill Americans.

I guess it would be the same as my kids going and buying Al-Qaeda brand cars 10 years from now.


37 posted on 06/20/2011 6:30:17 AM PDT by esoxmagnum
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To: Ron H.
Production?

We're still the #1 producer in the world. What we don't have are labor intensive industries. That's simply because we are currently the world's leader in mechanization, automation, computerization, and robotics as those processes are realized in the installed base.

Even white collar workers have been left unemployed by computerization.

38 posted on 06/20/2011 6:32:16 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: armymarinemom
When schools are more determined to teach entitlement values rather than math you get this result.

That is the absolute truth. As one who graduated from college some 22 years after graduating from high school, I can tell you that the mission of higher education isn't the same as it was a few decades earlier.

Diversity, global warming, saving the whales - it's all about the latest teaching fad. That's not to say that there is no value in college, but one could easily throw out 50% of the "fluff" and maintain the same level of actual education.

39 posted on 06/20/2011 6:33:24 AM PDT by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: markomalley
If it's computer skills they want, they will find some of the very best talent in America right on Free Republic.

Of course, we skilled folks are usually taken. :)

40 posted on 06/20/2011 6:33:48 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
In a very significant portent the punch cards and tabulators used in the Third Reich to keep track of people they were sending to camps all bore the logo IBM.

Even then we were way ahead of the Germans.

41 posted on 06/20/2011 6:34:57 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Peter from Rutland

I’m a software engineer. I’m actually in the process of developing some browser addons for Free Republic. They could hire me, but I’m already employed and too expensive for them.


42 posted on 06/20/2011 6:38:15 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("First we beat the Soviet Union. Then we became them." -- Lazamataz, 2005)
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To: bert
he fact is the world did not stand still. The world entered the quest for better life and competed. Parts of American industry were bloated and over regulated and could not compete in the manufacture of many things. The work was lost to those who can make things at a lower price. America still has a strong manufacturing base. That base is dependent on brains and skills and technology. The combination of those elements means that the labor required to produce is less than before. That change is called productivity increase. We make more with less labor.

BS, our highly productive and PROFITABLE manufacturing base was shipped overseas to increase profits a few more pennies on the dollar. We are so screwed now and weak in heavy industries that a major war would cause us to start to hurl nukes almost from the outset because we cannot fight a war of attrition(any more). I can't and will not stand to listen to free traitors blather on on how we deserved what we got, count your blood money in quiet and STFU. The blood of future patriots is on your hands, curse you all.

43 posted on 06/20/2011 6:46:38 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: markomalley

The Stuxnet worm that infiltrated Iranian nuclear facilities ran on Siemens equipment.


44 posted on 06/20/2011 6:49:42 AM PDT by ethel rascel (Lurk Mostly)
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To: muawiyah
Production?

We're still the #1 producer in the world.

Ugh, if you say so.

45 posted on 06/20/2011 6:57:14 AM PDT by Ron H. (The world may change but Gods word and commandments remain the same.)
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To: markomalley

He’s right. The U.S. workforce is becoming more unskilled, unethical, unmotivated, and ignorant every year.


46 posted on 06/20/2011 7:09:41 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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To: central_va

Your anti capitalist views are unusual for a conservative.

The reason for being in business is to make a profit. The reason for ceasing to manufacture some products is that such operations are no longer profitable or the capital can be put to work more profitably in some other operation.


47 posted on 06/20/2011 7:09:59 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: markomalley

Blah blah... but not one word about which skills they seek.


48 posted on 06/20/2011 7:10:04 AM PDT by GingisK
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To: Ron H.
A big part of the reason we have trouble making things in this country is the lack of enough math taught in schools, and the lack of skilled tool and die makers to keep Mfg plants running.

You can't train T+D makers that don't have advanced math skills, and even then it takes a long time. You can't run a Mfg plant without someone there that can quickly make parts to repair tooling, and there are damn few of them out there.

What we have today are tool sharpeners and parts changers with Journeymen T+D cards. Most of them couldn't ‘Make’ a die with a gun to their head.

With JIT Mfg of today you can't wait to send everything out to a specialty T+D shop to have parts made, and you can't afford to have spare parts for everything that might break.

We are screwed until that changes.

49 posted on 06/20/2011 7:13:54 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: esoxmagnum

I know many people that still think that way about Germans and Japanese. It is a generational thing. Give us 10 years and the new generation of Americans will be happy as pigs in a poke to go to Wal-Mart and buy their Al-Quida cars. When people are making and saving money they throw out the window incidental things like long term security of nation and the outmoded concept of patriotism.

If those in USA leadership (both Parties) have no concept of Patriotism, and they don’t because both are beating the drum for for more free trade, how do they expect an example to be set.

They may fool me once on free trade but only once. It has never worked for the nation, although it made individual CEOs and banksters quite wealthy.

The media has purposely dumbed down Americans so that the politicians can have their way with us.

The problem in the USA is that we lost many millions of good paying jobs over 40 years that paid taxes, and replaced them with low paying jobs that pay no or little income taxes, and that is the crux of our indebtedness. If a family loses their income they need to go live in a tent and forget all the luxuries or they will go into debt. Same with a nation.


50 posted on 06/20/2011 7:14:55 AM PDT by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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