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Illegal immigrants in Dalton face a choice: Stay or move (Georgia)
Dalton Daily Citizen ^ | June 20, 2011 | Jamie Jones

Posted on 06/20/2011 1:51:14 PM PDT by barmag25

Jose Luis Hernandez is like many Daltonians.

Most of his family — brothers, uncles, nephews, cousins and even grandchildren — also call Dalton home. Hernandez has lived here for 13 years.

He has a steady job working construction. Before that he worked in local carpet mills.

Hernandez frequents the abundant shops along East Morris Street, supporting a slumping economy hit by sky-high unemployment.

For the past 10 years, he’s paid a mortgage on his home.

There’s a glaring difference, however, between Hernandez and most Dalton residents: He is an illegal immigrant.

Days before Georgia’s new immigration law — the Illegal Immigration Reform and Enforcement Act of 2011 — goes into effect on July 1, Hernandez fears his comfortable life in Dalton could end as quickly as the snap of handcuffs. But his concern is not focused solely on himself. He worries how the law will impact Hispanics here, the entire Dalton community and most importantly, his children.

“That is who it will affect the most,” Hernandez said through an interpreter while shopping at a Hispanic-owned bakery in East Dalton. “My son has a son born here. Imagine if they grab my son and take him. The law is also going to affect business people, banks. Many people buy homes without documents and carry on for more than eight, 10 or 12 years now paying the house and they are going to leave, and that will be the government left to deal with all that.”

The state Legislature overwhelmingly passed House Bill 87 last session. Gov. Nathan Deal signed the bill on May 13, saying there is “no better way to promote the quality of life of all who live here and no better way to protect taxpayers than upholding the rule of law.”

(Excerpt) Read more at daltondailycitizen.com ...


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The reporter asked enough questions to get all this information about Jose, but forgot to ask why he didn't come to this country LEGALLY?
1 posted on 06/20/2011 1:51:18 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: barmag25
"Jose Luis Hernandez is like many Daltonians"

Except he isn't. He's a criminal invader.

2 posted on 06/20/2011 1:54:25 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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3 posted on 06/20/2011 1:55:11 PM PDT by bolobaby
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To: barmag25
What is the name of the bank that made an illegal loan to an illegal. And old jose can head south west no problem.
4 posted on 06/20/2011 1:55:26 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: barmag25

Or, once here, why did he not start the citizenship ball rolling?


5 posted on 06/20/2011 1:56:22 PM PDT by Ax
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To: org.whodat

Only an idiot would lend money to an illegal to buy a house. They are obviously not bound to their word. They need an SSN to get a credit record.


6 posted on 06/20/2011 1:57:45 PM PDT by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: barmag25
He's steadily working in construction while citizens can't find work? Been here 13 years and still needs an interpreter?
7 posted on 06/20/2011 1:58:10 PM PDT by bwc2221
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To: barmag25

Return home, problem solved.

“Reunite” in the land you love, the flag you fly, the soccer team you support, the funds you send to relatives and and language you speak.


8 posted on 06/20/2011 1:58:13 PM PDT by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: barmag25
Some Hispanics are fleeing Dalton to what they perceive as safer hamlets in Chattanooga and Cleveland in Tennessee, a state where immigration laws aren’t viewed as being as tough as they will be in Georgia under the new law.

We're working on that.

9 posted on 06/20/2011 1:58:39 PM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: barmag25

Sounds like his son is ALSO an illegal. So there are multiple generations of them. And they are NOT VICTIMS. They had every chance to try to get here legally. They did not. There are consequences to doing illegal things.


10 posted on 06/20/2011 1:58:54 PM PDT by NEMDF
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To: barmag25

Illegals hurt Dem voters more than any other group. Unskilled labor.

16% black unemployment.

9.2% national unemployment. 20 million plus illegals here stealing American jobs.

Bring the troops home and put them on the border. Ship those here illegally out.


11 posted on 06/20/2011 1:59:15 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: bwc2221

I noticed that too. 13 years here and can’t speak english. They really want to assimilate, don’t they? (sarc).

Why would a bank give an illegal immigrant a loan for a house? Crazy.


12 posted on 06/20/2011 2:01:44 PM PDT by rokkitapps ( Hearings on healthcare waivers NOW! (If you agree make this your tagline))
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To: barmag25
I am concerned about the new Georgia law.

But, only because of people moving north.

13 posted on 06/20/2011 2:02:17 PM PDT by tnlibertarian (Don't mend SS, end it.)
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To: Ingtar

Should we email a copy of this bill to Tennessee State Lawmakers?


14 posted on 06/20/2011 2:02:27 PM PDT by barmag25
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To: Ax

I don’t think there is any way for someone in the country illegally to work toward citizenship. That is what the lobbied for amnesty will do for them.

I am certainly sympathetic to the pain and fear this man and his family are going through. But their whole life was built on the foundation of a crime. I am sure there are families with a breadwinner who has been embezzling for years from their employer. Will their eventual discovery and punishment cause pain to the family? Yes it most certainly will. It will be the same for money launderers and drug dealers. I don’t mean to create a moral equivalency between these worse crimes and being in the country illegally but just wanted to point out that a life built on a lie is tenuous at best.


15 posted on 06/20/2011 2:03:14 PM PDT by Truth is a Weapon (Truth, it hurts so good.)
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To: AppyPappy

So when they get deported and stop making their house payments do they become ‘dead beats’ as well as illegals?


16 posted on 06/20/2011 2:03:27 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: bwc2221
Been here 13 years and still needs an interpreter?

That's what struck me. I'm surprised the author mentioned it.

17 posted on 06/20/2011 2:03:44 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: AppyPappy

A year are so back there was a post here about an illegal that got a loan in a four year old kids name, the real estate agent and lender knew what happened, no one went to jail, where as all three were guilty of bank fraud.


18 posted on 06/20/2011 2:03:54 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: org.whodat
What is the name of the bank that made an illegal loan to an illegal.

I suspect it was Wells Fargo. Did a search and sure enough, there are at least 6 branches there. There was some press about this very thing and Wells Fargo.

19 posted on 06/20/2011 2:04:37 PM PDT by bgill
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To: All

well.....BYE....


20 posted on 06/20/2011 2:05:39 PM PDT by Maverick68
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To: bgill

BOA did it as well. Maybe their name should be BOSA (Bank of South America).


21 posted on 06/20/2011 2:07:00 PM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: TigerClaws

“Bring the troops home and put them on the border. Ship those here illegally out”
Bingo
except we won’t even have to ship them back if we quit giving them benefits and if we deny them jobs.

I get really really tired of the whining that all they want is a good life. I respect that , why didn’t they respect our laws?
How are they any better than the ones who come here legally.

Anchor babies? Take them with you.
13 years and he made no effort to learn the language of our country?
I hope he is the first deported


22 posted on 06/20/2011 2:07:11 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: barmag25

Hiding in the shadows doing jobs that Americans don’t want. /sarc


23 posted on 06/20/2011 2:09:41 PM PDT by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: barmag25
Lets see, he's been here 13 years, it says. Hernandez said through an interpreter

But still no need to learn English and he claims these people buy houses with no papers. Wonder why we have a housing default problem.

24 posted on 06/20/2011 2:09:42 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: wac3rd
“Reunite” in the land you love, the flag you fly, the soccer team you support, the funds you send to relatives and and language you speak.

Did you hear about the Hispanic guy who was testifying in front of the Texas Legislature last week over the illegal bill? He spoke in Spanish and brought his English translor with him. He starte off with whining about being here since the 80's and blam! One senator jumped all over his case about not learning English in thirty years and it was an insult to us for him not speaking English and wouldn't let him continue. Woohoo! About time! Of course, as in this case, we never found out if he was an illegal.

25 posted on 06/20/2011 2:09:59 PM PDT by bgill
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To: barmag25
Lets see, he's been here 13 years, it says. Hernandez said through an interpreter

But still no need to learn English and he claims these people buy houses with no papers. Wonder why we have a housing default problem.

26 posted on 06/20/2011 2:10:25 PM PDT by packrat35 (America is rapidly becoming a police state that East Germany could be proud of!)
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To: barmag25

It couldn’t hurt. The article with the part about them moving here would be a good addition.


27 posted on 06/20/2011 2:11:13 PM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: barmag25

They will not learn English,I consider that a insult as well.


28 posted on 06/20/2011 2:13:39 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Moonman62
Yeah, Thirteen years of taking over construction work from Americans.

A friend of mine who owned a construction company told me how his company and even he himself was put of of work by these guys. There was no way they could compete because the illegals don't have to pay certain things that they would. It was an unfair advantage to the illegals.

But also to the Legal Aliens, for the Illegals had advantages over them too.

It's been nutty in America for quite a while and I don't know why we put up with it with so many Millions of Americans out of work.

The solution is simple. Enforce computer checks and impose a fine of 10% on any company that knowingly hires even one illegal alien. And a fine of $500 dollars for any person hiring a known illegal alien.

They would leave in droves and put a stop to it real fast. The unemployed, like myself would love it very much. And it would bring in some badly needed revenue for the states. Because the states are running out of Unemployment funds.

29 posted on 06/20/2011 2:16:57 PM PDT by sr4402
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To: Truth is a Weapon

I have ample paperwork proving my materal grandfather was a legal from Ireland (it was the UK when he emigrated), but I have no paperwork at all on paternal grandfather. My dad told us he was born in Canada and came into Michigan around the turn of the 20th Century. I suppose I could go Ancestry.com, but I don’t want to spend the money.


30 posted on 06/20/2011 2:17:27 PM PDT by Ax
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To: barmag25
...supporting a slumping economy hit by sky-high unemployment.

If an American citizen, also named Hernandez, had that same construction job that this illegal alien has taken, wouldn't that person also be supporting the slumping economy hit by sky-high unemployment and also paying a mortgage on a house for 10 years?

31 posted on 06/20/2011 2:20:12 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (When the going gets tough, the tough check themselves into "rehab".)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
"Jose Luis Hernandez is like many Daltonians"

Except he isn't. He's a criminal invader.

No he really is...Dalton a small carpet town is full of illegals...

Had a friend who helped with a Catholic Church's youth group that had some problems and had to talk to the police only to find out that there are 36 Mexican gangs in Dalton or were 5 years ago.

32 posted on 06/20/2011 2:23:11 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: barmag25

Don’t come to Ohio you won’t be able to register your car if you are not a legal resident.


33 posted on 06/20/2011 2:25:26 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


34 posted on 06/20/2011 2:25:49 PM PDT by HiJinx (Old Cold Warrior)
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To: packrat35
I own a condo in Dalton. There is such a large Hispanic community there that one can get along quite well without ever speaking English. Some Masses are offered in Spanish. I am one who is conflicted by this situation, since I know God-fearing, law abiding (except for entering the country illegally due to our bastard congress giving the act a wink and a nod), family oriented, and very hard working Hispanics I would trust as my neighbors.

Part of the illegal status problem is the fault of bastards like Ted'he's dead'Kennedy and the entire 'we need their labor' congress critters and businessmen. I have thought long and hard about it and have conversed with Mexicans over the issues, and I will tell you that if my family was on the verge of starvation living in Mexicao, constantly in danger of drug cartel wars and a totally corrupt government, I would look at the way the illegal immogration issues has been exploited by the democrats and rinos and make my way to where I could find work and an honest wage, even as an illegal immigrant.

Flame me if you wish, but until the Congress behaves in a manner indicating they want to stop the influx of illegals and the businesses using illegals can just take the hits, we have a problem we are encouraging.

When Congress appropriates the funds and writes the law to close the borders from illegal influx, and writes a means to citizenship for those illegals wanting to stay and be our fellow Americans, THEN we will have a measure of cooperation from the Hispanic communities all across America. The means to citizenship must be strict, must not give an illegal a headstart over those going by the law for citizenship, and must make allowance for minor members of families here illegally. When we do those things, then wwe can say 'If you don't want to obey our laws and don't want to become fellow citizens, then get the hell out of our country.'

We have been sending conflicting signals to people living on the edge of starvation. Time to step up and be honest with them and follow our own laws already on the books which address the illegal immigration issues.

35 posted on 06/20/2011 2:27:01 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: barmag25

I will bet you dollars to doughnuts that Jose was receiving taxpayer funded handouts because of the anchor baby. Of course the reporter would never ask about it.


36 posted on 06/20/2011 2:28:22 PM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

You asked
“If an American citizen, also named Hernandez, had that same construction job that this illegal alien has taken, wouldn’t that person also be supporting the slumping economy hit by sky-high unemployment and also paying a mortgage on a house for 10 years?”

Why YES YES he would. Excellen question

as far as the Illegal buying a house don’t forget Banks were forced to accept matricula cards as id and could not refuse loans based on illegal status. Thank you Barney Frank


37 posted on 06/20/2011 2:31:14 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: chris_bdba
Don’t come to Ohio you won’t be able to register your car if you are not a legal resident.

I hope you posted that "tongue in cheek"....

38 posted on 06/20/2011 2:32:03 PM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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To: sr4402
It's been nutty in America for quite a while and I don't know why we put up with it with so many Millions of Americans out of work.

It's our leaders who put up with them. Not only are illegals cheaper, mainly because their costs are socialized, but they tolerate corruption from business and political leaders -- especially when they get entitlements.

39 posted on 06/20/2011 2:33:00 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Ax
Prior to the opening of the first immigration center at Castle Garden (replaced by Ellis Island, circa 1890), people could just walk off the boat and settle in America. Of course, there was no welfare, WIC, ACLU, etc. to help them exploit the native classes. They worked, they went home or they starved.

As more people wanted to come to America (and the need for immigrants diminished), rules were put into place and became more and more complicated. My wife's grandparents got around it by immigrating from Italy to Puerto Rico, which got favorable treatment over immigrants from Italy.

Ted Kennedy's 1966 open borders law basically attempted to move America back to the pre-Castle Garden days to make amends to our alleged racism in the 1920-1950's era of giving preference to groups who had already proved themselves adept at assimilation into America. In reality, it gave preference to third worlders, particularly those close enough to sneak into America, at the expense of groups which had a track record of becoming good Americans.

40 posted on 06/20/2011 2:33:49 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
He's a criminal invader.

The problem is he is not a criminal because he violated a civil law and not a criminal law.

Coming here illegally (or over staying a visa which accounts for 50% of illegals) should be a felony.

In Mexico they routinely stop buses headed North and ask suspected illegals to sing the National Anthem. Any hesitation and ADIOS!

Not a bad idea.

41 posted on 06/20/2011 2:49:25 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. He's shovel ready!)
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To: Kartographer

Some years back (when Bush was in office) referred to Bank of America (they announced that they were opening accts., etc. using Mexican national ID cards, as “Bank of Amigo.”


42 posted on 06/20/2011 3:00:54 PM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: barmag25

“Many people buy homes without documents and carry on for more than eight, 10 or 12 years now paying the house and they are going to leave, and that will be the government left to deal with all that.”
And the fact banks made the loans is another issue completely. It doesn’t make you legal.


43 posted on 06/20/2011 3:21:47 PM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Ax

“That is who it will affect the most,” Hernandez said through an interpreter while shopping at a Hispanic-owned bakery in East Dalton.

13 Years in Dalton and he still doesn’t speak English ? Send him home. He is not serious about being an American. House or not !


44 posted on 06/20/2011 3:30:48 PM PDT by dbrew2u
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To: Mikey_1962
The problem is he is not a criminal because he violated a civil law and not a criminal law

8 USC 1325: 1st violation - Federal misdemeanor, up to 6 months prison, and/or a fine; 2nd violation - Federal felony, up to 2 years and/or a fine.

Illegal immigration is a crime.

45 posted on 06/20/2011 3:31:11 PM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: Regulator
1st violation - Federal misdemeanor

Thanks for making my point! First offense is a misdemeanor and should be a felony!

Unless you have knowledge of the offender not in the article, no prosecutor will pursue a misdemeanor that is nonviolent.

46 posted on 06/20/2011 3:39:50 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. He's shovel ready!)
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To: Regulator
1st violation - Federal misdemeanor

Thanks for making my point! First offense is a misdemeanor and should be a felony!

Unless you have knowledge of the offender not in the article, no prosecutor will pursue a misdemeanor that is nonviolent.

47 posted on 06/20/2011 3:40:03 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. He's shovel ready!)
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To: Mikey_1962
Um, you said it was a civil violation, which is a common misunderstanding, since most people are merely fined if they refuse to waive their rights and be deported on apprehension.

And it's not a civil violation if the prosecutor doesn't press charges, just means he didn't press charges.

Illegal immigration is a crime. That's why it's called illegal...

48 posted on 06/20/2011 3:47:52 PM PDT by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: Regulator
It is a misdemeanor, so is a parking or traffic ticket.

By YOUR definition most freepers are criminals.

Have you ever had any moving or non moving violation?

49 posted on 06/20/2011 3:51:09 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. He's shovel ready!)
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To: sr4402

“Thirteen years of taking over construction work from Americans.”

Starting at 15, I was an apprentice carpenter during my Summer vacations. It was an honorable job. All the guys owned houses, and managed to send their kids to college. Later, I hung sheet rock. Because I was good, I made great money on the “piece” basis. Try finding an all American crew now! Most crews have one bi-lingual guy, and a bunch of mezzicans.


50 posted on 06/20/2011 4:09:27 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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