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Andrea Yates could be freed by the end of this year
Daily Mail ^ | 8:31 PM on 20th June 2011 | By David Gardner

Posted on 06/20/2011 4:28:53 PM PDT by Niuhuru

A mother who shocked America by drowning her five children in the bathtub may be freed by the end of the year, according to her lawyer.

Andrea Yates systematically murdered her children, aged between six months and seven years, at her suburban Clear Lake, Texas, home ten years ago today.

She then dialled 911 and told the first police officer who arrived at the house: 'I just killed my kids.'

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: adnreayates; bathtub; child; crime; drowning; katiecouric; kids; killer; lawyer; mother; murder; officer; police; psychosis; suburban; texas
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To: Niuhuru; sockmonkey; Brucifer

She’s here in the State Hospital in the town where I live. Scuttlebutt says she’s on medication and now knows what she did. I can’t imagine wanting to go on living realizing that you’ve murdered your own children.


51 posted on 06/20/2011 6:33:11 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Darryl Lecht

Go read up on Postpartum Depression..THEN, get back to me.

You are a priori contempt to investigation. Can’t help you with that.


52 posted on 06/20/2011 6:38:27 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Well, golly, then lets go back 70 years and just kill mentally ill people

I'm not calling for the killing of anyone, just that justice be served..you do the crime, you serve the time; what's wrong with that?

I presume you have someone close to you with a similiar malady; I am not judging!

Just my humble opinion..

53 posted on 06/20/2011 6:41:34 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common-Sense.)
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To: Liberty Valance

Did a period pass when Yates was ignorant of that episode? (And I don’t mean while unconscious, either.)


54 posted on 06/20/2011 6:41:50 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: PROCON
I presume you have someone close to you with a similiar malady; I am not judging!

Sounds like you just judged!

55 posted on 06/20/2011 6:42:54 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: PROCON
And here in Oregon we do have the death penalty, but we're too liberal to execute anyone..:=(

Here in Texas we use the death penalty when it is warranted. This woman didn't deserve the death penalty. Her husband was a control freak, knew she had mental problems, and at ibe time they lived on a bus and she snapped. He might as well have put a contract out on the kids. He deserved Lorena Bobbit!!!!!

God told her to kill the kids "to save them." You don't think that's crazy.

You obviously missed a lot of info put out about this case...so I'll forgive your ignorance. LOL!

56 posted on 06/20/2011 6:45:10 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Liberty Valance

“I can’t imagine wanting to go on living realizing that you’ve murdered your own children.”

Neither can I really. I don’t think she should be released, but in a home or hospital for the rest of her life. She might know now, but it cna’t possibly be a way to let her out. She might slip back into psychosis at any time and hse needs to be locked up.


57 posted on 06/20/2011 6:47:56 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: deport

And now that she is sane, she will have to live with the memories of what she did. May God help her.


58 posted on 06/20/2011 6:56:29 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

That, i don’t know. I suppose only her doctors would know all the details as to timeline.


59 posted on 06/20/2011 6:58:26 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

This incident happened after school was out and the only child that was old enough for school was the oldest child. Therefore, this excuse to put homeschooling in a bad light is based on wrong facts.

She was under mental health care but the shrink refused to put her on haldol. She was sane enough to call 911 immediately after she did the deed where she planned it out and acted in the hour between her husband leaving for work and her MIL coming in to help. She should have fried for this especially when she chased the oldest one around the house.

There is a reason why the state didn’t charge her for all of the murders.


60 posted on 06/20/2011 7:02:19 PM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: lonestar

“This woman didn’t deserve the death penalty.”

She is a Mass-Murderer and all mass-murderers deserve the death penalty.

And they should have locked her husband up for the rest of his life.


61 posted on 06/20/2011 7:02:53 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Now, could you please explain that again to the posters that think she “got away “ with murder. They don’t believe this could happen.

I think that a lot of people do not understand how much of our feelings come from hormones. I am reminded of a story I read HERE on FR. One FReeper's older, tough macho Dad was going through prostate cancer treatment which included giving him estrogen. When she and her mother came home from shopping, they found him watching a sitcom on TV with an emotional theme and old tough Gramps was crying his eyes out! He sobbed, "I don't know how you women STAND it!"

With the dumping of all her hormones, somehow in an extreme way, and no doubt she is a rare case with utter sensitivity in her brain to the hormone dump post-partum, she was NOT IN CONTROL of herself. She did not know what she was doing. She was compelled.

If I were releasing her from custody, I'd insist on a monthly doctor's visit to keep her hormones in check. She COULD become dangerous again and she should be under medical care forever. But this is NOT a child murder case like the Casey Anthony one.

62 posted on 06/20/2011 7:03:02 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: hopespringseternal
When you excuse and justify evil you wind up with a lot more of it.

Who's excusing and/or justifying evil? Some of us seem to understand that the woman did an evil deed...beyond comprehension, in fact. But she was not an evil person...she was crazy!

Do you really think a sane, mean woman could kill her kids? I don't.

Evil women are like Joan "Mommie Dearest" Crawford.

It takes a crazy mother to kill her kids.

63 posted on 06/20/2011 7:04:10 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Assuming she has those memories. But regardless she has to accept the fact that she did it base on what she is now told and undoubtedly understands. I’d think this has been go over with her a lot at the mental institution as part of the recovery process in order for her to be released.


64 posted on 06/20/2011 7:05:00 PM PDT by deport
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To: trumandogz

I agree with your comment about her sorry husband. I wonder what he is putting his new wife through.


65 posted on 06/20/2011 7:07:40 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: lonestar
You obviously missed a lot of info put out about this case...so I'll forgive your ignorance. LOL!

I appreciate it..:=)

But the fact stands..

God told her to kill the kids "to save them." You don't think that's crazy.

No, she and her defense team were cunning..."God told me to do it"..what BS!

The bottom line:

The woman killed her children, fry her a$$!

Just my ignorant opinion.

66 posted on 06/20/2011 7:12:13 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common-Sense.)
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To: PROCON
Just my ignorant opinion.

I have no argument with that assessment. :)

67 posted on 06/20/2011 7:18:00 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Yaelle

Very well thought out, reasoned and articulate post.


68 posted on 06/20/2011 7:23:21 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: lonestar
I have no argument with that assessment. :)

Hey, you better watch it or I'll move to Texas!..:=)

69 posted on 06/20/2011 7:26:26 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common-Sense.)
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To: lonestar

Touche! En Garde!

Your post brings the oepra “ Carmen “ to mind and the Toreador Aria!

You have elevated this thread to a higher level of discourse! Voila!


70 posted on 06/20/2011 7:26:51 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: PROCON

We pay a high price for our freedom in this country....and we pay an enormous price for our justice system. The eruoweenies are always calling us “murderers” and cowboys, albeit we have, considering the violence we endure on a daily basis...THE most sophisticated and moral code of ethics.

And being Judeo-Christian we believe in the sanctity of all life and from there comes our reluctance to execute the mentally ill...
...Now the Progressives/Libs have NO problem disposing of “defective “ people.


71 posted on 06/20/2011 7:32:56 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: PROCON
Hey, you better watch it or I'll move to Texas!

Oooh NOOOOO! Say it isn't so!

Actually, I have a friend who moved here from Oregon...we don't talk politics so we can stay friends.

72 posted on 06/20/2011 7:35:09 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I was thinking about Patsy Cline’s “Crazy.” /snicker/


73 posted on 06/20/2011 7:38:54 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

So the eggheads have determined that crazy women are exempt from punishment, in particular if they have PPD?

What about the homeless guy who smashes a brick in your head because he heard demons? Will he get the same treatment?

Is every woman with this condition a potential murderer? And when their scrambled brain is clear of evil, are they allowed to babysit?


74 posted on 06/20/2011 7:40:36 PM PDT by Darryl Lecht ("Head down over a saddle.")
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
And being Judeo-Christian we believe in the sanctity of all life and from there comes our reluctance to execute the mentally ill...

Well, said FRiend!

I suppose the only thing we disagree on is who, and who not, is mentally ill.

We can agree to disagree.

75 posted on 06/20/2011 7:41:47 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common-Sense.)
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To: Niuhuru
The 36-year-old mother suffered from postpartum psychosis, the most severe and rarest form of postpartum depression.
Tsunami of BullSh*t Alert!
76 posted on 06/20/2011 7:43:08 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: basil
It must have been a living hell for her.
I'm going to hold my tongue regarding you and your post and merely say: It probably was no picnic for the kids.

(I'm really restraining myself here. I've deleted five different sentences I was about to let loose with.)

77 posted on 06/20/2011 7:45:57 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: lonestar
Actually, I have a friend who moved here from Oregon...we don't talk politics so we can stay friends.

FRiend, you have never known anyone as right-wing as me...you'd probably tell me to just shut-up..LOL!

78 posted on 06/20/2011 7:46:52 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common-Sense.)
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To: PROCON
I prefer execution for murderers.
I agree.
79 posted on 06/20/2011 7:46:58 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Niuhuru
This had to have been premeditated; she locked the doors, blocked off escape routes, and had to chase the last kid around the house until she cuaght him. This wasn’t something spontaneous.
She deserves a bullet. And her defenders deserve to be pistol-whipped.
80 posted on 06/20/2011 7:48:39 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: Niuhuru

She should have been executed years ago. I could care less if she was crazy or was not crazy. She is a demon.


81 posted on 06/20/2011 7:49:16 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I don’t believe in affirmative action for psycho-killers

Why give crazy people a pass when they kill five of their own children? Try and execute them same as the regular killers


82 posted on 06/20/2011 7:52:59 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: Niuhuru

It’s hard to believe what it’s like living with a control freak husband. My dad literally drove my mom crazy. She hears voices that tell her to do things; she believes the voices are from God. Thankfully thus far the voices have only told her to write things and give Special Messages to pastors.

I never believed any of the whole insanity claims until after I had to live through the nightmare. For those who haven’t been there, please be thankful.


83 posted on 06/20/2011 7:55:18 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: FourPeas; dennisw

Yes, but your mother didn’t kill five babies. Sure people are or go insane, but when they become criminally insane and commit murder, they should be executed just as all murderers should be.


84 posted on 06/20/2011 7:58:48 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: lonestar

LOL!!

Or....”Mama Told me Not to come “ ...( “Jokers to the Left of me, Jokers to the right,stuck in the middle again...”)


85 posted on 06/20/2011 8:01:44 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: PROCON

Good point you raised there!

Yes, we DO have to know the difference between mentally il and just “darn’d downright evil!”.


86 posted on 06/20/2011 8:03:52 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: PROCON

Good point you raised there!

Yes, we DO have to know the difference between mentally il and just “darn’d downright evil!”.


87 posted on 06/20/2011 8:03:59 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: FourPeas

I’ve lived around crazy people; I have bene around some real insane people and I am frank when I tell you that I grew up in a chaotic, controlling, cultlike environment. I’ve had mental issues and I know what it’s like. Put frankly she could have gotten help and she had the ability to leave when she had the chance instead of killing her kids.


88 posted on 06/20/2011 8:07:13 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: CajunConservative

“she planned it out and acted in the hour between her husband leaving for work and her MIL coming in to help”

Exactly; she had it all set up in her head and acted according to a well laid plan.


89 posted on 06/20/2011 8:09:06 PM PDT by Niuhuru (The Internet is the digital AIDS; adapting and successfully destroying the MSM host.)
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To: dennisw

Now there’s a plan! (uh, er, that WAS the plan in 1898 or there abouts)...

Seems like Jesus only sent goats over the edge, that were possessed..something to ponder.

Before we had any knowledge of mental illness, we burned people at the stake or considered the mentally ill possessed by demons...now, a good shot of Haldol will cure those who are not really evil.
Better living through chemistry.


90 posted on 06/20/2011 8:09:22 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: Niuhuru

She had gotten out of bed around 8:10 and had waited for her husband, Rusty, to leave for work at nine.  The children were all awake and eating cereal.  Andrea had some, too.  Once Rusty was gone, Andrea went into the bathroom to turn on the water and fill the tub.  The water came within three inches from the top. 

Then one by one, she drowned three of her sons, Luke, age 2; Paul, age 3; and John, age 5.   She put them in facedown and held them as they struggled.  As each one died, she then placed him face up on a bed, still wet, and then covered all three with a sheet.  Each had struggled just a few minutes.  Next was six-month-old Mary, the youngest, who had been in the bathroom all this time, sitting on the floor in her bassinet and crying.  When Andrea was finished with Mary, she left her floating in the water and called to her oldest son, Noah. 

He came right away.   ”What happened to Mary?” he asked.  Then apparently realizing what his mother was doing, he ran from the bathroom but Andrea chased him down and dragged him back to the tub.  She forced him in face down and drowned him right next to Mary.  She admitted in her confession that he had put up the biggest struggle of all.  At times he managed to slip from her grasp and get some air, but she always managed to push him back down.  His last words were, “I’m sorry.”  She left him there floating in a tub full of feces, urine and vomit, where police found him.  She lifted Mary out and placed her on the bed with her other brothers.  Andrea gently covered her before calling the police and her husband.  It was time. 

Had the children done something to make her want to kill them? The officer asked.

No.

You weren’t mad?

No.

She admitted that she was taking medication for depression and she named her doctor, whom she had seen two days earlier.   She believed she was not a good mother because the children were “not developing correctly.”  She’d been having thoughts about hurting them over the past two years.  She needed to be punished for not being a good mother.

The questioning officer was confused.   How was the murder of her children a way to achieve that?  “Did you want the criminal justice system to punish you?” he asked.

“Yes.”

She had almost done the same thing two months earlier, she admitted.   She had filled the tub.  Rusty was home at the time, so she just didn’t do it.

The officer asked for the birth dates of each of her children and then stopped the tape.

The media soon learned that Andrea had suffered from depression for at least two years and had been hospitalized for attempted suicide.

By the end of that first awful day, Andrea Yates was charged with capital murder for “intentionally and knowingly” causing the deaths of three of her children, using water as a weapon.   She was not charged in the deaths of the two youngest boys.  There was no indication on this report, says Spencer, that she suffered from mental illness.

Yet Rusty was telling the media that she had suffered bouts of serious depression since the birth of their fourth child two years earlier.

In fact, her most recent psychiatrist, Dr. Mohammed Saeed, had called Rusty on the day of the drownings.   He appeared to be stunned and apparently wanted to make it clear that he had believed that Rusty’s mother was always at the home. 

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/women/andrea_yates/2.html


91 posted on 06/20/2011 8:10:27 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: FourPeas

Your post is excellant. I am sorry you had to go through all that and it must have been awful for your mother.

Sometimes life teaches us hard lessons, and it sounds like you are a very compassionate person and your mom is very lucky to have you. It also sounds like your mother is a very strong person.


92 posted on 06/20/2011 8:13:09 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: little jeremiah

Interesting how many freepers are suckered in by this mass murdering woman. She killed her own flesh and blood for no reason at all. There is no justice for them as long as she is alive and she has been alive for ten years more than she deserves.

This demon is bread and butter for parasites in the mental health field who testify on her behalf then minister to her at her treatment center & lockup. Million of taxpayer dollars squandered when a simple bullet in the head or the electric chair would have sufficed and meant justice.


93 posted on 06/20/2011 8:14:44 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: dennisw

I really don’t understand it. Are these eggheads telling us that she is ok to walk around, be near other children? At this point, I’m not sure who is crazier?


94 posted on 06/20/2011 8:17:49 PM PDT by Darryl Lecht ("Head down over a saddle.")
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To: Niuhuru

Some people are stronger than others. She obviously felt like she couldn’t get out of her situation. some people also have strong support somewhere.

Only God knows why some people “crack” and others don’t.
It is good to hear you made it through and it must have not been easy for you. thanks for sharing...I am sure it will help others who struggle.


95 posted on 06/20/2011 8:17:56 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: PROCON; Recovering Ex-hippie
I recentyly fell at GHW Bush airport waiting for my flight to the Bahamas. Not knowing I had broken my shoulder, I made the flight. While there I managed to get into a wetsuit to swim with a dolphin.

My dolphin was named Jill. She is 48 years old and pregnant for the first time. In captivity dolphins live to be about 55; only 25 in the wild. They keep their babies for three years. Poor Jill is going to barely have time to R & R before she RIP.

I trust she won't drown her baby but if she does, it will be the fault of the father dolphin who should be charged with reverse statutory rape of a senior citizen.

96 posted on 06/20/2011 8:21:12 PM PDT by lonestar (It takes a village of idiots to elect a village idiot.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I have some common sense so I look at this very simply. You kill five of your own innocent young children then you get the electric chair. You may be crazy or not crazy. You still get the electric chair. It baffles me why you let a mass murderer off the hook due to real or alleged madness.


97 posted on 06/20/2011 8:22:48 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: dennisw

Many people are still afraid of anything to do with mental illness. We used to “just put a simple bullet “ in someone’s head or before the 1950’s when we had medication that could help depression and other mental illnesses..we used to “lock away” people who were sick forever.

Now, people can live happy , rewarding lives thanks to good medications and some therapy. Do we really want to go back to the dark ages?

But you are right, it costs taxpayor dollars for those who don’t have insurance..so lets just kill them all or lock them up in prison. ( BTW, it s less expensive to keep the mentally ill in the community than in mental hospitals...that is really why we closed the state hospitals...saving taxpayor dollars.)

Jesus was merciful to the mentally ill and to other ‘defectives” like the man with the ‘withered hand”.
Only the goats were sent over the cliff.


98 posted on 06/20/2011 8:25:30 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (where is the Great Santini when we need him??)
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To: Darryl Lecht

Egghead shrinks have been making millions off Andrea Yates. If she was executed ten years ago then there goes their meal ticket.


99 posted on 06/20/2011 8:26:22 PM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: lonestar; Recovering Ex-hippie
Holy sheesh, man; time for you to hit the sack or take novel writing lessons!
100 posted on 06/20/2011 8:26:33 PM PDT by PROCON (Liberals Mistake Education and Knowledge for Wisdom and Common-Sense.)
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