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The Rise of Uncompassionate Conservatism
National Review ^ | 6/21/2011 | Rich Lowry

Posted on 06/21/2011 9:23:31 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross

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Perry is emerging from Texas talking of the 10th Amendment, cutting government, defending freedom — and defending freedom some more.

Can I hear an Amen! Richie, you act like that's a bad thing?!

Well, well well. Rich Flowry doesn't much like Governor Perry. I guess I better move Perry up on my list of potential candidates. Still behind Palin, Cain and Bachmann, but if Richie doesn't like him because he's not a "compassionate" conservative (meaning Rove, GOP Establishment big tenters selling out authentic conservatism, which does not need any squishy qualifier adjective in front of it thank you very much!, for votes), I like him all the moreso.

p.s. I've got to believe that if Bill Buckley was alive, Flowery would be demoted or fired immediately. Nordlinger, McCarthy ... ?

p.p.s. IMHO, everything about compassionate conservatism that lowry attributes to President Bush really lays at the feet of Rove, Norquist and other squishy big-tenters that had way too much influence in the second term.

1 posted on 06/21/2011 9:23:33 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross
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To: C. Edmund Wright

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2 posted on 06/21/2011 9:24:58 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

The author seems to think that promising more handouts is the only way to win an election. He might be right ... but it’s also going to kill the country. Can’t anyone see what’s going on in Europe?


3 posted on 06/21/2011 9:28:58 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

What’s with the Huntsman dweeb saying at his announcement today that we’re for the first time going to be handing down a less compassionate country to our children, too? I was put off by him already, but that really got to me.


4 posted on 06/21/2011 9:30:41 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Servant of the Cross

I am an “uncompassionate conservative”. My compassion has been sucked right out of me by those who look to the government to steal from me and support them. They never have enough and demand more.

I look forward to them having the rugged yanked out from under them


5 posted on 06/21/2011 9:31:41 AM PDT by kevslisababy
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To: Servant of the Cross

Agreed. Buckley picked a dud with Lowry. In my opinion, he’d have been far better off culling applicants for lack of military service.


6 posted on 06/21/2011 9:32:21 AM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Forget about “compassionate conservatism”, which is just “income redistribution lite”. Forget government compassion, period. Remember Ronaldus Magnus saying, the worst words in the English language were, “I’m from the Governmnet and I’m here to help you.” The Bible is even more pithy: “The mercies of the wicked are cruel”.

Haven’t we learned our lesson yet? Freedom means more people can go into business and have jobs to earn their keep. Government “compassion” means being a serf on the Government plantation.


7 posted on 06/21/2011 9:32:43 AM PDT by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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To: Servant of the Cross

I’ve always hated the phrase “compassionate conservative”, which implies that conseratives lack compassion. The liberals want to give the indigent all of the goose’e golden eggs, and will even kill the goose to feed them. Then what? When the productive elements in the private sector have been taxed into indigency, and the borrowing/printing of money collapses and our currency is worthless, how will the “compassionate” provide for the dependent class? Will they even care when their tables are empty, too?


8 posted on 06/21/2011 9:33:00 AM PDT by Spok
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To: Servant of the Cross

Compassionate conservative = big government conservative = oxymoron


9 posted on 06/21/2011 9:33:51 AM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius, (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Servant of the Cross
As a practice, "compassionate conservatism" was a mistake -- we should not try to buy votes by giving lots of goodies to people.
As a rhetorical term, "compassionate conservatism' was a mistake -- it makes it sound like conversatism is at heart a mean philsophy and in need of rehabilitation. This is not so.

As a practice, "uncompassionate conservatism' is exactly right. The best way to help people is to help them less and get government out of the way.
As a rhetorical term, "uncompassionate conservatism" sounds like something James Carville dreamed up.

10 posted on 06/21/2011 9:34:15 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Servant of the Cross

“Freedom” means, to people like Rich Lowry,

“people doing things liberals don’t approve of”.


11 posted on 06/21/2011 9:35:18 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Tax-chick
The author seems to think that promising more handouts is the only way to win an election.

Yea. Rich Flowry (FR hat tip on the nickname to the in-the-penalty-box pissant), is notorious for living in the squishy, moderate, pre-Tea Party past of the elite, establishment, country-club OLD Party. What a dunce. Bill Buckley has to be rolling in his grave.

Calling Jay Nordlinger. Please pick up the white phone in the lobby if you lurk (or post) here. Changes need to be made at the top of NR. Do it for Bill!

12 posted on 06/21/2011 9:35:49 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: kevslisababy

They take your money at gunpoint and then call you greedy for complaining.


13 posted on 06/21/2011 9:36:05 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Servant of the Cross
He’s Rick Perry, and he’s from the Republican wing of the Republican party.

Always a great line...

14 posted on 06/21/2011 9:36:20 AM PDT by GOPJ (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. - - Orwell)
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To: Tax-chick

I can see Europe from here!


15 posted on 06/21/2011 9:36:27 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Servant of the Cross
Being “compassionate” with other people's money is not compassionate , charitable nor conservative.
16 posted on 06/21/2011 9:38:08 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Frank Sheed

I can see my tomato patch, and a cat who appears to be dead but is probably just napping.


17 posted on 06/21/2011 9:39:20 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA!)
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To: MrB
Yea; like a liberal, lowry must have completely missed (or dismissed) the existence of Tea Party Movement ...


18 posted on 06/21/2011 9:39:38 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Oh, they’re just a bunch of racists worried that their tax money is going to non-white people.


19 posted on 06/21/2011 9:41:39 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Servant of the Cross; KantianBurke; rabscuttle385; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; BufordP; ...
RE :"<As the press clues into the new anti-Bush drift of the GOP, we can expect a revival in Bush’s reputation. He will be portrayed as more reasonable, more internationalist, and altogether more statesmanlike than his benighted compatriots. If only it were still the party of George W. Bush will be the lament. And it will make the party even more glad that it’s not"

They already have done that with a number of issues. And they are right, Bush was a liberal and compassionate conservatism was a complete disaster. If you remember back we were promised compassionate conservatism would create a new significant minority voting base for Republicans, but in the end it just elected Obama/Speaker Pelosi.

20 posted on 06/21/2011 9:42:46 AM PDT by sickoflibs (If you pay zero Federal income taxes, don't say you are paying your 'fair share')
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To: Tax-chick

If it isn’t napping, then what?


21 posted on 06/21/2011 9:42:46 AM PDT by Frank Sheed (Fr. V. R. Capodanno, Lt, USN, Catholic Chaplain. 3rd/5th, 1st Marine Div., FMF. MOH, posthumously.)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I think Perry’s running right against the “new tone” and against “compassionate conservatism” is a great thing. I frankly don’t trust Perry as such a super tough conservative, but it’s a great idea and if he were to win and then to govern the way he is talking now, that’s a good thing.

I firmly believe the new tone and the compassionate conservatism is what ruined the Republican brand and what gave us Obama. So firmly, I have written about it at length:
On election night: p://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/gop_defeat_and_the_new_tone.html

And near inauguration:
p://www.americanthinker.com/2008/11/gop_defeat_and_the_new_tone.html


22 posted on 06/21/2011 9:43:16 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (American Thinker Columnist / Rush ghost contributor)
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To: MrB
Oh, they’re just a bunch of racists worried that their tax money is going to non-white people.


23 posted on 06/21/2011 9:45:01 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

Gee whiz...the National Review celebrating the spineless, aisle crossing tactics of the Bush administration. What a shock.


24 posted on 06/21/2011 9:45:31 AM PDT by Oldpuppymax
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To: Frank Sheed

I’ll assign a son to deal with it. However, napping among the vegetables is a major cat activity, so I assume it’s that. Nothing can sleep like a hot cat, except a cold reptile.

And with that, to the library we go. It’s a favorite haunt of the eponymous baby.


25 posted on 06/21/2011 9:46:17 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Quien vive? JESUS! Y a su nombre? GLORIA!)
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To: Tax-chick
The author seems to think that promising more handouts is the only way to win an election.

Where did you get that from this article?

26 posted on 06/21/2011 9:49:56 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Servant of the Cross

Compassionate conservatism is a PC term for progressive Republican. It’s all ice cream, cake and sugar, laughs and good feelings until the cavities and diabetes begin. Years down the road we will blame the debt and social spending on liberal Democrats, as though progressive Republicans had nothing to do with it. No thanks! We’ve had enough of our progressive intelligentsia and the destruction it brings.


27 posted on 06/21/2011 9:58:03 AM PDT by pallis
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To: Servant of the Cross

this whole article must be a lie, because I have been informed many times on this board that Perry is a RINO... seems to be a disconnect somewhere in the information chain.

lol


28 posted on 06/21/2011 9:58:30 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama = Epic Fail)
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“Bush spoke in dulcet tones. He separated himself from the firebrand politics of Newt Gingrich and even took a swipe at the insufficiently cheerful Robert Bork.”

I never met a single leftist who thought that Bush was “compassionate”. He was “Bushitler” to every one of them- despite all the pandering.


29 posted on 06/21/2011 9:58:36 AM PDT by Qbert ("The best defense against usurpatory government is an assertive citizenry" - William F. Buckley, Jr.)
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He realized that the party had to win over the center as well as the right, and that unadulterated doctrine would appeal most only to the doctrinaire.

This is where a leader steps up and explains why giving government handouts is neither compassionate or conservative. GOVERNMENT IS NOT COMPASSIONATE!

Remember Reagan's quote? Government is not the solution to problems, it IS the problem. GW's damnable "compassionate conservative" bunk tricked a lot of us into voting for him while totally ceding the conservative arguments against government interference.

30 posted on 06/21/2011 9:59:56 AM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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“But Bush had two insights. He realized that the party had to win over the center as well as the right, and that unadulterated doctrine would appeal most only to the doctrinaire.”

Pah. This is absolutely the wrong way to deal with people in the so-called center. The right conception is that they are people you want to convert to your way of thinking, not you converting to theirs. Instead of trying to moderate your way to the middle, you convince them to immoderate and tilt to the right. Measures such as the prescription drug benefit and No Child Left Behind were absolutely the wrong sort of thing to do- trying to out-Democrat the Democrats failed.


31 posted on 06/21/2011 10:02:06 AM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: kevslisababy

I look forward to them having the rug yanked out from under them

As do I!


32 posted on 06/21/2011 10:04:57 AM PDT by wita
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To: Servant of the Cross
“He (Bush) realized that the party had to win over the center as well as the right, and that unadulterated doctrine would appeal most only to the doctrinaire.”

In this area, we should do what the Democrats do: Lie to the mush-brained middle, then do what we really intended when we get elected. In our case, though, we should do what is good for the USA.

33 posted on 06/21/2011 10:05:19 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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I never met a single leftist who thought that Bush was “compassionate”. He was “Bushitler” to every one of them- despite all the pandering.

Exactly right! The only people that this pandering appealed to were the idiot establishment squishy non-conservative 'moderates' in OLD party like Rove, Norquist and Flowry ... “Bush spoke in dulcet tones." ... "He separated himself from the firebrand politics" ....

Oh ... PUKE. RETCH. DRY HEAVE!

That makes me think of David Brooks and 0bama's f'ing pantleg (or is that pantload?!)

In the name of Bill Buckley, fire Flowry.

Sorry. Deep breath. Rant over.

34 posted on 06/21/2011 10:10:56 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

If Rick Perry thinks the 10th Amendment is going to have cachet with voters worried about their jobs, their wages, and the value of their homes, he’s been spending too much time at Federalist Society seminars.

. . .

I wouldn’t bet on that. Rick Perry can clearly testify to how the over-reaching FedGov has tried to steamroll Texas.

People were fed up with the GOP and started kicking them to the curb in ‘06 because of the obscene spending and growth of government. They really thought they were going to get something better when they ushered in a Dem. congress and then Obama and more even more Dems in ‘08.

Now people aren’t just miffed, they’re pissed off.


35 posted on 06/21/2011 10:11:24 AM PDT by Nickname
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To: C. Edmund Wright; All

Great articles! Thanks for those links. You were prophetic.


36 posted on 06/21/2011 10:11:42 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Spok
Right. Then there's the liberal meme - lie - of tax breaks for the rich. This implies backroom dealing and kickbacks. There are no tax breaks, except for perhaps GE (which pays NO taxes), but tax cuts.

The spin in the liberal media is that tax cuts amounts to the government giving money away to those who least need it (depriving those that need the government's money the most). The liberal media spin entirely ignores the fact that tax cuts allow those earning money to retain more of it. This type of misrepresentation and misinformation is rampant throughout the lamestream media.

37 posted on 06/21/2011 10:16:51 AM PDT by raygun (http://bastiat.org/en/the_law DOT html)
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To: Servant of the Cross
The Rise of Uncompassionate Conservatism

BRING IT ON!

38 posted on 06/21/2011 10:24:06 AM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Two blogs for the price of none!)
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To: Servant of the Cross

[If Rick Perry thinks the 10th Amendment is going to have cachet with voters worried about their jobs, their wages, and the value of their homes, he’s been spending too much time at Federalist Society seminars.]

NRO ain’t what it used to be. The David Brooks wing.


39 posted on 06/21/2011 10:31:13 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: sickoflibs

Jonah Goldberg via NRO had a great article about this topic:
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/258873/liberal-bouquets-dead-conservatives-jonah-goldberg

It dives deeper into your point. Definitely worth the read.


40 posted on 06/21/2011 10:40:06 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (if there were a little more of me around we'd all be better off.)
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To: Qbert

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/258873/liberal-bouquets-dead-conservatives-jonah-goldberg

Fits your point quite nicely.


41 posted on 06/21/2011 10:42:30 AM PDT by Personal Responsibility (if there were a little more of me around we'd all be better off.)
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He realized that the party had to win over the center as well as the right, and that unadulterated doctrine would appeal most only to the doctrinaire.”

This is absolutely the wrong way to deal with people in the so-called center. The right conception is that they are people you want to convert to your way of thinking, not you converting to theirs. Instead of trying to moderate your way to the middle, you convince them to immoderate and tilt to the right.

You don't convert the middle by preaching doctrine. That's the point being made, not that No Child Left Behind or the Medicare drug benefit was a good thing.

You lead by example and lead people to make the conclusions that make sense. You don't go preaching the 10th Amendment. People, normal people not FReepers and other political junkies, tune out on this kind of thing.

Preach that the EPA is killing the economy. Make it real. Use concrete illustrations. Then give it a doctrine name, if you have to.

42 posted on 06/21/2011 10:43:17 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: Servant of the Cross

“.....You were prophetic....”

Well shucks. In light of the idiocy that Huntsman was spouting just a few minutes ago - right in line with the new tone and such - you might be right.


43 posted on 06/21/2011 10:44:32 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (American Thinker Columnist / Rush ghost contributor)
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To: 9YearLurker

What Huntsman doesn’t realize:

Compassionate conservatism = LIBERALISM

True conservatism = equals true compassion.

Huntsman = clueless silver spoon up his a$$ trust fund baby.

That’s my math for the day.


44 posted on 06/21/2011 10:47:25 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (American Thinker Columnist / Rush ghost contributor)
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To: kevslisababy

“I am an “uncompassionate conservative”. My compassion has been sucked right out of me by those who look to the government to steal from me and support them. They never have enough and demand more.”

Sometimes compassion means making the “victim” stand on his own two feet. That’s my kind of compassion.

Colonel, USAFR


45 posted on 06/21/2011 10:59:15 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: Qbert

“the insufficiently cheerful Robert Bork”

Not the Judge Bork I saw on TV including Firing Line. He would drop zingers and ad libs which made the show host grind to a giggling halt amid a sea of teeth. The best jokes are told deadpan and Mr. Bork knew the technique well.

But he was an across the board no compromises Reagan conservative and did not fit the template of `compassionate conservatism’ favored by GWB.

That was the real reason Judge Bork was shunned by Republicans. The MSM turned him into a sort of American Solzhenitsyn with an image of being dour and out of touch with the need to `grow’.


46 posted on 06/21/2011 11:09:00 AM PDT by elcid1970 ("Deport Muslims. Nuke Mecca. Death to Islam. Freedom for mankind.")
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To: SoothingDave
You don't convert the middle by preaching doctrine. You don't go preaching the 10th Amendment.

So, let me get this straight. The Tenth Amendment of U.S. Constitution* is "doctrine" that a candidate for the 2012 (that means post Tea Party America) GOP POTUS nomination should NOT be "preaching" to the electorate?!

You aren't Rich Flowry, are you?

* The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. ... the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

47 posted on 06/21/2011 11:14:03 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free!)
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To: Servant of the Cross
As the press clues into the new anti-Bush drift of the GOP, we can expect a revival in Bush’s reputation.

No there won't! Obama needs to bash Bush, not emulate him. So the MSM will be in a pickle. They will default to protecting the annoited one.

48 posted on 06/21/2011 11:20:15 AM PDT by VRW Conspirator (And, therefore, isn't Jim (Robinson) the original Blog Father? - FReeper Aevery_Freeman)
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To: Servant of the Cross

I’ve never felt like a compassionate conservative, just one that believes in a leg up versus a never ending hand out.


49 posted on 06/21/2011 11:23:01 AM PDT by existentialist
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To: TexasFreeper2009
this whole article must be a lie, because I have been informed many times on this board that Perry is a RINO...

Only after elections.

50 posted on 06/21/2011 11:29:03 AM PDT by itsahoot (I Stand with Sarah Palin)
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