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Gov. Perry and The Texas Dream Act
http://blog.chron.com/texassparkle/2011/06/gov-perry-and-the-texas-dream-act/ ^ | June 22, 2011 | Kathleen McKinley

Posted on 06/22/2011 7:55:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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It’s important to point out that there is a huge difference in the Texas Dream Act and the The Dream Act that was pushed in Congress and failed. The Dream Act in Congress was full of all kinds of goodies other than allowing children of illegals to receive in state tuition. The Texas Dream Act was focused only on that. I happen to agree with The Texas Dream Act, and so did everyone in the Senate in Texas. It passed with ZERO “no” votes. Add to that, it has been proven to be successful.

These are a few things you need to know about the Texas Dream Act. The child has to have lived in Texas the three years leading up to high school graduation. These students are given no special treatment in getting into Texas colleges and universities. They must get in on their own merit. They are paying the tuition (with or without financial aid). It’s estimated that these students make up about 1% of those entering college.

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Most of us agree that border control MUST be dealt with first. The problem with all other efforts on this issue in the past is that the borders were not sealed. If there is anyone who we can trust to do that it is Gov. Perry (if he decides to run for President). He knows what goes on down at the border. He has gone there many times. He knows what needs to be done. There is no doubt in my mind that if he were President, he would seal our borders. But Perry also understands Hispanic outreach.

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1 posted on 06/22/2011 7:55:17 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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*****Aug 28, 2007 - [excerpt]....Perry, in Mexico with a Texan trade mission seeking opportunities in areas like renewable energy, said the federal government's plan to build a wall along much of the border to keep out illegal immigrants was "idiocy."

"We need those individuals to continue to grow our economy," Perry told a briefing with reporters.

"If you show up illegally, without your card or you're here as a criminal element, I'm for throwing the book at those folks, but the issue of people who want to legally, thoughtfully and appropriately come to America to work and help us build our economy -- we should quickly come up with a program and an identification card to do that."

Congress failed to pass a comprehensive overhaul of immigration laws in June despite heavy lobbying by President George W. Bush.

Following the reform failure, Washington is concentrating on border enforcement -- building a security fence along the Mexican border, deporting undocumented immigrants and trying to prevent companies from hiring illegal migrants..

Perry, a Republican, said it was important to separate immigration from security issues, which Texas has dealt with on its stretch of the Mexican border by deploying more guards.

"We know how to deal with border security, and you don't do it by building a fence," Perry said, ahead of a meeting with Mexican President Felipe Calderon.... [end excerpt]

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EXPAND! EXPAND! EXPAND Secure Cities [TX legislature meets every 2 years]

As Texas moves toward expanding Secure Communities, several northern states are dropping out of the program that matches the fingerprints of those arrested against a U.S. [ICE] database.

Last week, before Gov. Rick Perry's announcement that the expansion of Secure Communities would be on the agenda for the Legislature's special session, Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick announced his state will not take part in the program. [end excerpt]

4 posted on 06/22/2011 8:01:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Please limit excerpts to 3 or 4 paragraphs. Thanks.


5 posted on 06/22/2011 8:02:18 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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[excerpt].....When Obama continued to refuse even five minutes for the Governor, Perry took matters into this own hands and was standing on the tarmac at Austin’s airport when President Obama stepped off of Air Force One. Obama looked confused, Perry looked determined. Obama still ignored the pleas for help.

Perry again took matters into his own hands, and established an elite unit of Texas Rangers to bolster border security.

...“After working closely with the Attorney General’s Office the last few weeks, I’m confident that we can pass legislation that addresses these threats, while protecting innocent passengers and preserving our state’s rights.”

Should Rick Perry enter the GOP field of candidates for the 2012 Republican nomination for president, the conflict between Perry and Obama could take center stage on a national level. [end excerpt]

http://www.thecypresstimes.com/article/News/Texas_News/TEXAS_GOVERNOR_RICK_PERRY_CHALLENGES_OBAMA_THE_DOJ_AND_TSA/47000


6 posted on 06/22/2011 8:05:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I am more and more excited about this guy getting into the race!

;-)


7 posted on 06/22/2011 8:09:37 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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[excerpt] Illegal immigrants entering Texas’ higher education system are direct beneficiaries of a 1982 Supreme Court decision, Plyler vs. Doe. Parents in Tyler sued after the state began charging tuition for illegal immigrant children. The court ruled that Texas and the rest of the country must educate illegal immigrant children free of charge in public schools.

Some of the most vocal illegal immigration opponents don’t oppose the decision. But they say higher education is different, because it is tuition-based.

........A challenge to a similar law in Kansas failed in 2005 after a federal judge found that out-of-state college students had no standing to challenge the law there, since they had not been harmed by it. [end excerpt]

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/education/headlines/20100314-Number-of-illegal-immigrants-getting-in-9925.ece


8 posted on 06/22/2011 8:10:09 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Why is everyone so opposed to packing these people up and sending them home?

And why do we have to subsidize their education?

DEPORT EVERY ONE OF THEM!


9 posted on 06/22/2011 8:10:56 AM PDT by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Thanks for your anti-disinformation efforts on behalf of Perry.

I am a big fan of a truthful evaluation of all the possible presidential contenders.

10 posted on 06/22/2011 8:12:22 AM PDT by Tex-Con-Man
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To: Adder
And why do we have to subsidize their education?

If you take the time to read what I've linked to and are honest, you will revise your remarks.

11 posted on 06/22/2011 8:15:22 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SumProVita

I live in TX and I would agree with you....

I work in a small private school and the day after his re election one of my female 10th grade girls said.....”Man, Gov. Perry is like old man hot !!!!”


12 posted on 06/22/2011 8:15:47 AM PDT by Kimmers (Tell a lie often enough it becomes political........)
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To: Adder

I agree with you, GET RID OF THEM
but we don’t have to actually deport them, Stop their employment and stop ANY bennies to them and their anchor babies
and they will go back on their own

ONLY exception to that is true emergency care. true emerngency care , stabilize them and send them back.


13 posted on 06/22/2011 8:16:01 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Adder

Copy that...


14 posted on 06/22/2011 8:16:24 AM PDT by ransacked
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To: RWGinger

can spell, can’t type
emergency care


15 posted on 06/22/2011 8:17:13 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
2009---TEXAS DREAM ACT DEMONSTRATION---education PLUS.
Conspiring to destroy the USA from within.

It just looks like they're mowing lawns and cleaning houses.
It's what they do in their secret enclaves we should heed.

16 posted on 06/22/2011 8:17:13 AM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They aren’t “children of illegal aliens.” They’re Illegal Aliens themselves.
Illegal aliens should not be in our schools or colleges period.


17 posted on 06/22/2011 8:17:29 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Liz

Do you have a link to that?

Thanks.


18 posted on 06/22/2011 8:20:28 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Little Ray

Do read the entire article “Little Ray” for your own information.


19 posted on 06/22/2011 8:22:46 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Kimmers

I’ll have to share that one with my hubby! Lol!


20 posted on 06/22/2011 8:22:52 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
THE LUCRATIVE PHONY ID BUSINESS---TEXAS STYLE ----NORTH BERGEN, NJ -- July 21, 2006 -- Pelcastre brothers, Angel and Jorge, Dallas, Texas, were a walking threat to US national security, expert document forgers who, for a few thousand dollars, could give anyone a new identity, L/E said. The Texas brothers turned a NJ hotel room into a business office and were readying a massive cache of fake Social Security cards for delivery to a local NJ identity broker.

The Texas brothers were a "one-stop shop" for a myriad of fake US documents, including birth certificates, Social Security cards, driver's licenses for any state in the US, passports and resident alien cards, said state police. Officers happened upon two cars bearing Texas plates in a NJ hotel parking lot. Authorities wouldn't identify the NJ hotel by name for fear it would spark retribution from savage drug cartels operating in the US.

The Texas brothers were followed to a NJ office supply store nearby where they purchased computer supplies. Officers then followed the Texans to a NJ storage facility in Secaucus, NJ, where the Texans loaded several boxes into a car. One of them stood lookout. L/E approached the Texas brothers when they returned to the NJ hotel and questioned them separately. The Texas brothers consented to a search.

Police recovered laminating sheets with built-in security features, pages of blank documents waiting for fake names and information, finished documents, computers and software to create the fake IDs.

All told, the haul was worth about $500,000 on the street. Police also recovered $6,000 in cash, which was the first payment from a NJ fake document broker for a shipment of 500 fake Social Security cards. ####

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CALI STYLE PHONY ID BUSINESS--- Hayward, California woman charged in mass thefts of IDs
Henry K. Lee / Copyright San Francisco Chronicle. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.


Oakland Police Dept Mug Shot: Mishel Caviness, Hayward, accused of
running a large-scale operation devoted to stealing people's identities.

HAYWARD, CALIFORNIA -- A Hayward woman has been charged with numerous felony counts for allegedly running an identity-theft operation that created fake Social Security and California identification cards, checks and credit cards. Mishel Caviness, 40, was arrested after an investigation by Oakland police and the U.S. Secret Service.

The probe began when an Oakland city employee reported in January that someone was fraudulently cashing her checks, according to police Officer Ryan Goodfellow and court records. Caviness was identified with the help of surveillance-camera footage from Bay Area stores, police said.

A search of her apartment on the 21000 block of Foothill Boulevard in Hayward last week uncovered a printing operation capable of making fake checks and credit cards, police said. Also found were 900 blank credit cards, personal information belonging to as many as 1,000 people, blank checks and computers, police said.

Alameda County prosecutors charged Caviness with forgery, identity theft, forgery of a driver's license and grand theft. She has a previous conviction for welfare fraud and told police that she is disabled and unemployed. She is being held at Santa Rita Jail in Dublin in lieu of $325,000 bail.

SOURCE http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/05/16/BAPP1JGPTT.DTL#ixzz1MotxGM5R Page C - 3 of the San Francisco Chronicle

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Nothing good has come from this plague of lawbreakers violating our borders. Karl Rove was WRONG----they came from hellholes whining about a "better life".....but that was a ruse. They DID NOT embrace democracy once they had a taste of it as Rove famously said. On the contrary, they are a national security threat-----and are conspiring to tear down democracy---and their home countries are helping them. Read on:

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News reports say Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua and Peru are conspiring to collude with The Anti-Defamation League, The American Civil Liberties Union, the Southern Poverty Law Center and several other civil and immigrant rights groups to infringe on US sovereignty to make laws as we see fit. The co-conspirators filed a federal class-action lawsuit against Georgia's law and are now asking a judge to halt the measure pending the outcome of their case.

21 posted on 06/22/2011 8:23:00 AM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: SumProVita
I am more and more excited about this guy getting into the race!

Why? Because he wants to reward criminal invaders by allowing their children to pretend to be citizens?

22 posted on 06/22/2011 8:23:27 AM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: Liz

I say “Identity Theft” should get the death penalty.


23 posted on 06/22/2011 8:26:10 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Check this out:

http://www.dreamactivist.org/blog/2009/09/24/media-coverage-dream-act-day-action/


24 posted on 06/22/2011 8:26:43 AM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Liz

How is this a link to that PHOTO you posted in Post #16 that you titled a TX Dream Act Protest — with people carrying a sign “Capitalism isn’t working?”

Re: what you did post — It looks like the NJ and CA cops did a good job. What was your point in adding it to this thread?


25 posted on 06/22/2011 8:27:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: fwdude

Can’t you construct something a little more solid than straw men?


26 posted on 06/22/2011 8:28:03 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Scythian

Amen.


27 posted on 06/22/2011 8:28:03 AM PDT by Liz ( A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Col Sanders.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I stand by my original statement.
I don’t care if they were “raised here.” The are STILL Illegal Aliens. Send them home. And pitch them out of US Schools.


28 posted on 06/22/2011 8:29:09 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: SumProVita

Tell me what’s false in what I said.


29 posted on 06/22/2011 8:31:10 AM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: fwdude

Reread your own wording and you should be able to figure it out.


30 posted on 06/22/2011 8:35:10 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Liz

I have posted several articles about the NATIONAL Dream act and how the LIBERALS are radicalizing young Hispanics to their cause (using it to rally them to their base) — I’ve posted pictures of these groups gathering in major cities around the country — one with a smart-ass dumb girl giving the camera the bird. And I’ve posted audio and video of radical groups taking over Tucson School Board meetings. I know about this. I lived all over AZ for 20 and TX for over 20 years.

So WAKE UP and read this article about the TX DREAM ACT.

Pull your head out of the sand. Hispanics are natural conservatives but the Left is radicalizing them — and since they will have a huge voting block in the very near future, I want them voting against Obama and for conservatives like Gov Rick Perry.


31 posted on 06/22/2011 8:37:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The disinformation is rampant.
Leadership shows.


32 posted on 06/22/2011 8:37:58 AM PDT by JustAnotherOne (Perry-Huntsman 2012)
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To: RWGinger

El Paso county foots a several million dollar bill every year for “true emergency care” of Mexicans in the county hospital. For some reason the border patrol/customs lets them cross the bridge from Juarez to recieve free medical treatment in the U.S. when they have been shot/stabbed/injured in a drug related incident. Oh yeah, and then the city has to foot another bill for the extra police needed to protect the hospital when some high profile target is being treated.

Frankly I am just as tired of paying for the emergency care as I am for the other freebies.


33 posted on 06/22/2011 8:40:29 AM PDT by RightOnTheBorder
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
They are paying the tuition (with or without financial aid). It’s estimated that these students make up about 1% of those entering college.

Is this in-state tuition rates, or out-of-state tuition rates?

Students that only pay in-state tuition are being heavily subsidized by the rest of the state's taxpayers, as as the in-state tuition rate doesn't come anywhere near covering the total cost of tuition.

Also, is this fair to foreign students that want to come to the USA to study? Don't illegal immigrants take some of the seats that would have gone to foreign students that are playing by the rules? What lesson are we teaching by this? That if you are a foriegn student and want to get into a Texas college, instead of playing by the rules you should simply enter the USA illegally, wait three years, then apply for college.

This seems to be another case of "what part of illegal do people not understand?"

34 posted on 06/22/2011 8:41:01 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Herman Cain knows computers, math, missiles, banking, burgers, pizza, gospel music, & Coca-Cola)
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To: SumProVita

I’m fully aware of the wording in my post. You made the allegation of a “straw man,” so the burden is on YOU to show me where my statement was false. But I won’t hold my breath.


35 posted on 06/22/2011 8:41:29 AM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: Brookhaven

we’d need a constitutional amendment to deal with the “anchor baby” issue given decades of jurisprudence that has been generous to such children.

until that point, anybody born in texas is deemed a citizen and gets the same entitlements.


36 posted on 06/22/2011 8:45:06 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Brookhaven
....This seems to be another case of "what part of illegal do people not understand?"

What part of "close the border" do people not understand?

It must start there or we are left to deal with the fallout from it.

37 posted on 06/22/2011 8:45:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Brookhaven
Pardon the interruption. Your profile does not show Texan. “That if you are a foreign student and want to get into a Texas college, instead of playing by the rules you should simply enter the USA illegally, wait three years, then apply for college.”
You do not make the rules for the UT system, or A&M. Foreign students pay tuition. US born students pay lower rates. Even if those students are born of non-citizens.
If you are not a Texan, please mind your own business.
38 posted on 06/22/2011 8:48:58 AM PDT by JustAnotherOne (Perry-Huntsman 2012)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

I wasn’t talking about people born in Texas; people born in the USA are citizens, period, end of story.

I was talking about people not born in the USA who are here illegally. The wording of the article says they only had to have been here for three years to qualify for the Texas Dream Act (and the last time I checked, most college freshmen were a lot older than three).

That would imply to me that the act was specificly written to enable people here illegally to attend Texas colleges. Is that wrong?


39 posted on 06/22/2011 8:49:56 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Herman Cain knows computers, math, missiles, banking, burgers, pizza, gospel music, & Coca-Cola)
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To: Brookhaven
....The wording of the article says they only had to have been here for three years to...

The article says: "The child has to have lived in Texas the three years leading up to high school graduation.."

40 posted on 06/22/2011 8:54:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: RightOnTheBorder

Frankly I am just as tired of paying for the emergency care as I am for the other freebies.

I hear yas. In Dallas, at Parlkand nearly 90% of babies are born to illegals and we pay for that plus pay fo their entire lives from then on.

Legally( federal law) we are required to offer “emergency” are to everyone But we don’t need to offer years of follow up treatment.
It sounds cold hearted to say ONLY give emergency care to stablize a situation but we can’t afford more than that any longer and still give care to our legal citizens who need it.

I am not sure we have the stomach to do anything but if we wait any longer we are sunk


41 posted on 06/22/2011 8:59:24 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger
I am not sure we have the stomach to do anything but if we wait any longer we are sunk

Something has to be done. No one is willing to tackle this problem and it has grown so big that it's crushing us.

How do you see this being corrected?

Who do you feel would try?

42 posted on 06/22/2011 9:02:40 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Adder

Why is everyone so opposed to packing these people up and sending them home? “ ====

Because we were on snooze for a couple of generation on enforcing immigration laws. Decent God fearing Mexicans therefore were not required and predictably failed to comply with these laws, of which they were not informed. These people have been and still are gardeners and housekeepers and laborors who were paid mostly in cash, and raised educated children who are now shop keepers. To “deport them all” is not only insane and excruciatingly expensive, it’s now cruel, given the state of Mexico, a country they hardly know.

Because we failed to set a standard for so long, no elected president or anyone else, I mean NO ONE, is EVER going to send decent families into drug cartel country to fend for themselves where they are not equipped to survive the corruption, simply because the US succored these people and dumped over enforcement.


43 posted on 06/22/2011 9:05:59 AM PDT by RitaOK ( What's left for Sarah not to know?)
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To: JustAnotherOne
If you are not a Texan, please mind your own business.

(1) So, someone posts an article on FR in what seems to be an attempt to help/promote Rick Perry's potential presidential campaign (which I don't have a problem with them doing); but when someone raises some concerns, the reply is: you're not a Texan, mind your own business?

(2) My question was about children who are here illegally (who are not born in the USA). This bill seems to be designed to provide benefits to students that are here illegally (not born in the USA).

(3) If the bill is about anchor babies (children born on US soil), then my question would be: what's the point of the bill in the first place? Anyone born on US soil is an American citizen. Any American citizen that has lived in a state for an extended period of time (at least 1 year for most states) is a citizen of that state and entitled to ALL of the benefits provided to any citzen of the state (including preferntial treatment at state colleges).

So what's the deal with this bill? Is it designed to open the door for illegal immigrants to attend Texas colleges, or is it a pointless exercise (because it is only about anchor babies-who are Ameican citizens)?

44 posted on 06/22/2011 9:06:14 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Herman Cain knows computers, math, missiles, banking, burgers, pizza, gospel music, & Coca-Cola)
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To: fwdude

I wouldn’t even encourage you to hole your breath. There may be a bit too much hot air in there... ;-)

Because I said that I liked the idea of Perry getting into the race, you stated that I supported the invasion of criminals. That is false. I also don’t support anyone pretending to be a citizen.

Who are YOU supporting for the presidency at this point?


45 posted on 06/22/2011 9:06:48 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita
Because I said that I liked the idea of Perry getting into the race, you stated that I supported the invasion of criminals.

The subject of the article on which you were commenting addresses exactly this issue. What else was I to think?

Who are YOU supporting for the presidency at this point?

I'm not settled on anyone right now as the field is just now getting established. It's inane to support anyone exclusively now until we hear the positions and philosophies held. I do like Bachmann, Santorum, and Cain (very guardedly) because they have expressed the most conservative positions to date. If they disappoint on firm conservative philosophy going forward, that may change.

I'm not "married" to any individual candidate apart from their conservative convictions. Perry is good in many respects, but his border whoredom is inexcusable.

46 posted on 06/22/2011 9:14:15 AM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The article says: "The child has to have lived in Texas the three years leading up to high school graduation.."

Thanks for clarifying that, but I'm still confused. Does "child" mean:

  1. someone born on American soil and thus a US citizen
  2. someone not born on American soil nor born to US citizen parents; a 100% non-US-citizen who came to this country illegaly as a child, and been residing illegally in Texas for three years

47 posted on 06/22/2011 9:14:23 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Herman Cain knows computers, math, missiles, banking, burgers, pizza, gospel music, & Coca-Cola)
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To: RitaOK

Bravo, RitaOK! You are dealing with reality and you are doing so with truth.

There HAS to be a better way to deal with this problem.


48 posted on 06/22/2011 9:15:23 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: fwdude

I like Michelle Bachmann too. I really like what Santorum has to say.....but I just don’t think he has the numbers.

At least the majority of these candidates are forcing the public to hear some good, conservative ideas for a change.


49 posted on 06/22/2011 9:19:34 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

And yet he still came out loud and clear against AZ1070 which would actually accomplishing something towards the goal of solving the Illegal Immigration problem.

This effectively makes every other largely symbolic statements/actions of no effect.

The one thing that would actually solve the problem he is against.

That should be an eye-opener for anyone seriously considering this conniving politician for POTUS 2012.

He is not an honest man!


50 posted on 06/22/2011 9:21:51 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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