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Gov. Perry and The Texas Dream Act
http://blog.chron.com/texassparkle/2011/06/gov-perry-and-the-texas-dream-act/ ^ | June 22, 2011 | Kathleen McKinley

Posted on 06/22/2011 7:55:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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It’s important to point out that there is a huge difference in the Texas Dream Act and the The Dream Act that was pushed in Congress and failed. The Dream Act in Congress was full of all kinds of goodies other than allowing children of illegals to receive in state tuition. The Texas Dream Act was focused only on that. I happen to agree with The Texas Dream Act, and so did everyone in the Senate in Texas. It passed with ZERO “no” votes. Add to that, it has been proven to be successful.

These are a few things you need to know about the Texas Dream Act. The child has to have lived in Texas the three years leading up to high school graduation. These students are given no special treatment in getting into Texas colleges and universities. They must get in on their own merit. They are paying the tuition (with or without financial aid). It’s estimated that these students make up about 1% of those entering college.

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Most of us agree that border control MUST be dealt with first. The problem with all other efforts on this issue in the past is that the borders were not sealed. If there is anyone who we can trust to do that it is Gov. Perry (if he decides to run for President). He knows what goes on down at the border. He has gone there many times. He knows what needs to be done. There is no doubt in my mind that if he were President, he would seal our borders. But Perry also understands Hispanic outreach.

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To: SumProVita

If you were to judge just on pure conservatism, Santorum would win hands down, regardless of his past endorsement of Spector. But it’s a sad commentary on our country that staunch conservatism is now a political liability.


51 posted on 06/22/2011 9:27:27 AM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Worth the time it will take you to go read the article.

That is good advice and I'm glad I took you up on it.

Kathleen McKinley makes a thoughtful presentation on the merits of the Texas DREAM Act. The excerpts you posted throughout the thread of Perry's position added to my overall understanding of the illegal immigration challenge in Texas.

Rick Perry is a man to be taken seriously, warts and all. He has a story to tell, and I would welcome his entry into the GOP presidential field.

Thank you for posting this informative thread.

FReepers, with the exception of leftist lunatic plants and the usual resident Paultard spam monkey attention trolls, should find it helpful.

52 posted on 06/22/2011 9:28:02 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: SoConPubbie
And yet he still came out loud and clear against AZ1070 which would actually accomplishing something towards the goal of solving the Illegal Immigration problem.

How's that AZ immigration law working for AZ?

There's more than one way to skin a cat.

53 posted on 06/22/2011 9:28:02 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Brookhaven

I truly am sorry you are so confused Brookhaven.

My best to you as time lets it sink in.


54 posted on 06/22/2011 9:29:20 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: smoothsailing

Thank you for that.

This election is vital for our kid’s and grandkid’s, to the world actually.


55 posted on 06/22/2011 9:32:11 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SoConPubbie

AMEN to that!!


56 posted on 06/22/2011 9:34:00 AM PDT by bmwcyle
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To: Brookhaven

To politely respond:
(1) Border control is a Federal responsibility. Criticism of all border states (California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas) is ill received. If you do not donate to the UT or A&M system, please butt out. Those of us that have graduated students in these state systems are proud. We did not take any of “your money”.
(2)We the people of the Great State of Texas get to choose how we invest our money. We are damned if we choose to educate those that the worthless Coyotes traffic in, while others condemn us. Please help other people. Or continue to deride fellow Americans.
(3) I am the result of an “anchor baby” from European ancestors. Perhaps you are too. Please tell me what we should do with the undesired (to some) that are born in Texas? Abort them, deport them, or simply abandon them? Our prisons are full.


57 posted on 06/22/2011 9:37:14 AM PDT by JustAnotherOne (Perry-Huntsman 2012)
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To: RitaOK

This, “To “deport them all” is not only insane and excruciatingly expensive, it’s now cruel, given the state of Mexico, a country they hardly know.” is NOT our fault.
We did NOT bring them here.
Boo Hoo,Mexico is a cesspool YOu can say thatabou 150 other nations.Do you think we should take in all those people too?

Look at how many billions we have given mexico over the years and tell me how their cesspool is out fault.

But we not NOT have to pay to deport them, Stop the jobs and the benefits and they will go back.WE can no longer subsidize these people and their anchor babies. We have to take care of our own first. The Illegals need to go.


58 posted on 06/22/2011 9:43:04 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: fwdude

Agree...It is indeed a sad commentary. Both my husband and I very much like Santorum.

We, and I’m sure many other people, are praying for this nation as never before.


59 posted on 06/22/2011 9:46:10 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: RWGinger

Who are you supporting in the primary Ginger?


60 posted on 06/22/2011 9:46:49 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: RWGinger

“We did NOT bring them here.”
Cool. May you and your family be caught up in proving your citizenship and nationality. Have fun.
Other people brought “them” here. And you acquiesced.


61 posted on 06/22/2011 9:50:33 AM PDT by JustAnotherOne (Perry-Huntsman 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Who am I supporting in the primary?
I do not know yet
By the time the primary rools around next year we will have learned a lot more about the candidates snd actually we will know who they are.
right now we have no idea who will still be running or who else might still run.

One thing I know, I will work for and vote for anyone who is running against 0dumbo


62 posted on 06/22/2011 9:51:01 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger
One thing I know, I will work for and vote for anyone who is running against 0dumbo

Me too.

But you must like (or be leaning toward) one of the people in the line up, or have someone you'd like to get into the GOP primary. I'd appreciate some indication of your preference. You seem quite interested in the race.

63 posted on 06/22/2011 9:56:15 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t have a preference yet. At first glance I like mny of them.
There are a few i don’t like; Gringrichfor the stupid way he has handled his campaign, Huntsman who is too much like McCain,Ron Paul , I like many of his views, others not so much.

The others all have some positives but I want to see more details on positions.

How about you?


64 posted on 06/22/2011 10:04:33 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: RWGinger

There are two hang ropes here: One is the full scale invasion we are experiencing now. Anchor baby laws need to be temporarily effected to address it and current law must be enforced like yesterday. I say temporarily because we are dealing with an invasion that is nearly open warfare of a sort. I’m with you on that. When we begin to protect our borders and enforce our laws, we can return to civilized permissions for citizen birth like we do for every other country.

Two, however, addresses the pre-invasion generational oldsters who failed to apply for citizenship who NOW CAN NOT, because of the wholesale invaders which have ruined the process to citizenship.


65 posted on 06/22/2011 10:06:22 AM PDT by RitaOK ( What's left for Sarah not to know?)
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To: JustAnotherOne

WTF?
“Other people brought “them” here”

Who are these other people? More Illegal? cut off their benefits and jobs and let them go back.

and NO I did not acquiesce.I have tried with every elected official to get enforcement of our laws for years.


66 posted on 06/22/2011 10:08:37 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Little Ray
I stand by my original statement. I don’t care if they were “raised here.” The are STILL Illegal Aliens. Send them home. And pitch them out of US Schools.

Amen.  Put them on planes and dump them off in SOUTHERN mexico. Make the walk back a long one.

67 posted on 06/22/2011 10:12:13 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If anybody would like to read Perry's full remarks from around that time, here is the speech, courtesy of the Governor's office.

While I won't support Perry for reasons I've stated many times elsewhere, I will admit, Perry is very compassionate - that speech shows that he cares a lot about people on both sides of the border.

He cares about learning the language of Mexico:

Thank you Senator Lucio. President Nevarez, UT-Pan American is to be commended for its vision and leadership in hosting this unprecedented border summit in the beautiful Texas town of Edinburg. My friends from Mexico, including Governor Tomas Yarrington Ruvalcaba of Tamaulipas, and Governor Fernando Canales Clariond of Nuevo Leon, it is an honor to be in your presence. I want to extend my gratitude to our Mexican neighbors for hosting me this July as I sought to learn one of the world’s great languages, Spanish. I enjoyed your hospitality, and was grateful for your patience as I worked on my vocabulary. No longer do I refer to “la verdad” as “la verdura.” I am delighted to see friends from the U.S. side of the border as well, including our distinguished members of the Legislature, and our county and city leaders along the border.

He sees the importance of working together with Mexico:

Today we begin a new dialogue about our shared future, a future of promising potential if we work together to solve the challenges we both face. It is fitting that we convene this summit where the great, meandering river known as the Rio Grande – or the Rio Bravo – forms the long border between Texas and Mexico. In years past, that famed body of water has been seen by many as a dividing point, If you were to walk along its banks and look to the other side, based on the stereotypes of the past, you would think you were seeing things a million miles away, instead of a stone’s throw away. But I am here today to say that while we have honest differences, there is more that unites us than divides us. The Rio Grande does not separate two nations, it joins two peoples. Mexico and the United States have a shared history, and a common future. And it is along this border where we will either fail or succeed in addressing the education, health care and transportation needs of our two peoples.

He cares about truckers:

The fruits of NAFTA have just begun to ripen. At the same time, we must not allow the roots of the tree to become poisoned. The NAFTA agreement not only signaled a new era of economic possibility, but a new era of bi-national cooperation. That is why it is wrong, and inherently detrimental to our relationship with Mexico for the U.S. Congress to pursue a protectionist policy that forbids Mexican trucks from U.S. roadways. It is bad public policy, and it violates the terms of the NAFTA agreement we agreed to. Mexican trucks that meet our safety standards should be given the same access to U.S. roads as our Canadian neighbors to the north.

He cares about healthcare for poor citizens:

There are other challenges that require a unified approach, especially in the area of health care. A lack of preventative medicine means conditions that could have been eliminated through childhood immunizations show up in disturbing numbers later in life. Limited availability of medical specialists means conditions like heart disease and diabetes go untreated at alarming rates. In Texas, we recently placed a strong emphasis on preventative care when we expanded access to Medicaid for more low-income children by making the Medicaid enrollment process simpler. We allocated an additional $4 billion to the Medicaid program, and more than $900 million to the Children’s Health Insurance Program. I urged legislators to pass a telemedicine pilot program that will enable, through technology, a sick border resident of limited financial means to receive care from a specialist hundreds of miles away. But the effort to combat disease and illness requires greater cooperative efforts between our two nations. It is a simple truth that disease knows no boundaries. An outbreak of drug-resistant tuberculosis, for example, endangers citizens of both our nations. We have much to gain if we work together to expand preventative care, and treat maladies unique to this region. Legislation authored by border legislators Pat Haggerty and Eddie Lucio establishes an important study that will look at the feasibility of bi-national health insurance. This study recognizes that the Mexican and U.S. sides of the border compose one region, and we must address health care problems throughout that region. That’s why I am also excited that Texas Secretary of State Henry Cuellar is working on an initiative that could extend the benefits of telemedicine to individuals living on the Mexican side of the border.

He cares about education:

As a compassionate state, we know that for our children to succeed, they must not only be healthy, but educated. The future leaders of our two nations are learning their fractions and their ABC’s in classrooms all along this border. Immigrants from around the world are being taught in Texas classrooms, and our history is rich with examples of new citizens who have made great contributions. We must say to every Texas child learning in a Texas classroom, “we don’t care where you come from, but where you are going, and we are going to do everything we can to help you get there.” And that vision must include the children of undocumented workers. That’s why Texas took the national lead in allowing such deserving young minds to attend a Texas college at a resident rate. Those young minds are a part of a new generation of leaders, the doors of higher education must be open to them. The message is simple: educacion es el futuro, y si se puede.

He cares about poor people:

We also know that poverty is not unique to either side of the border. Some of Texas’ poorest citizens live in colonias all along the border. They often lack basic infrastructure many of us take for granted. Just today, the North American Development Bank announced it will provide $6.3 million in funding to hook up colonia residents in six border cities to water and wastewater lines. More than 18,000 residents will benefit from these water or wastewater hookups. And this November, by approving Proposition 2, Texas voters can ensure that their neighbors in colonias have quality roads so that school buses, emergency vehicles and postal trucks can reach residents, and residents can get to a job or a school reliably.

He cares about making sure that everybody has access to both countries:

President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace, as long as we demonstrate the will to address the obstacles to it. An open border means poverty has given way to opportunity, and Mexico’s citizens do not feel compelled to cross the border to find that opportunity. It means we have addressed pollution concerns, made substantial progress in stopping the spread of disease, and rid our crossings of illicit drug smuggling activity. Clearly we have a long way to go in addressing those issues. At the same time we must continue to deepen our economic ties, expanding opportunities for Mexican and U.S. companies to do business on both sides of the border. The outlook is promising, even if the road to prosperity is a long one. We share a bond as neighbors, and we find our culture north of the Rio Grande to be increasingly defined by the strong traits of people of Hispanic descent. Texas has long enjoyed a unique identity, an identity forged by an independent spirit, and the convergence of many different peoples. We must welcome change in the 21st Century as we have in every century before it. Today, as we look to the south, we see a rising sun. It is perched above a people whose best days are in front of them. Let us endeavor to make the most of this new day through a new dialogue. Let us work together to combat disease, expand trade and provide educational opportunities. If we do, there are no limits to what we can accomplish for the betterment of all of our citizens. Thank you, and God bless you.

The man cares about our border relations and Mexico, there is no doubt about that, and he has a point - Texas has historically been tied to Mexico in many areas.
68 posted on 06/22/2011 10:14:21 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: RitaOK

? Didn’t we ofer wholesale amnesty in 86? It was supposed to be for the last time as we were supposed to enforce our borders and not let illegals stay here

It has been show in places where enforcement takes place illegals leave, many do go back. others go to states and cities who do not enforce laws.

Anchor babies, if the parents are illegal they should no get citizenship and then a lifetime of benefits
Now of course it is legal so we are screwed.

Then we get the sob stories of how can we deport a parent who has an anchor baby. Boo Hoo can’t let the parent go back and leave the anchor baby here all sob sob alone
Any parent who calls themselves a parent will want their children with them.


69 posted on 06/22/2011 10:15:30 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; JustAnotherOne
I truly am sorry you are so confused Brookhaven. My best to you as time lets it sink in.

Why the a reluctance to give a simple, straightforward answer to a simple straignt forward question?

Are we talking about:

  1. children who are here illegally--non-citizens
  2. children who are American citizens (which would include "anchor babies" who are American citizens)

Is it really that hard to just reply 1 or 2?

As far as being from a border state, I'm from Georgia, I get it. Georgia has a significant illeal immigrant population. In some areas (Dalton, GA for example) the percentage of illegal residents is 40% of the total population.

Beyond that, if Perry is running for president, then how he has handled illegal immigration is pertinent and open for disucssion.

I've tried to ask pertinent questions and stay on subject. I haven't call anyone names or thrown mud. Why the hostility?

70 posted on 06/22/2011 10:15:36 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Herman Cain knows computers, math, missiles, banking, burgers, pizza, gospel music, & Coca-Cola)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
How's that AZ immigration law working for AZ?

There's more than one way to skin a cat.


Unless you have had your head in the sand, the US Supreme Court handed Obozo a defeat on this issue by declaring that states can pass legislation protecting their borders.

Furthermore, nothing Perry has done/suggested has been substantial or will do anything substantial to stem the flood of Illegals into Texas.

His own comments, including some of what you have posted on this page show him to be a GWB-type Open-Borders turd.

And you raced right past the fact that he stated he was against AZ1070, whether it is challenged in court or not, he was AGAINST IT.

Quit lying about your candidate and his OPEN BORDERS position.
71 posted on 06/22/2011 10:18:11 AM PDT by SoConPubbie
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To: RWGinger
How about you?

I like Palin and I like Perry. TURN OUT is going to make or break this election.

imho - Paul can't win a national election. Huntsman is Romney lite. Romney thinks it's his to lose because the GOP establishment and the MSM are backing him. Gingrich always shoots himself in the foot (that's in his mouth). Santorum seems to have missed his window of opportunity. Cain is great but doesn't have the network to raise $$ and win. Bachmann isn't connecting with me, yet. Pawlenty lost me when he demured over "Obamneycare."

72 posted on 06/22/2011 10:18:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: SoConPubbie
And yet he still came out loud and clear against AZ1070 which would actually accomplishing something towards the goal of solving the Illegal Immigration problem.

This effectively makes every other largely symbolic statements/actions of no effect.

The one thing that would actually solve the problem he is against.

That should be an eye-opener for anyone seriously considering this conniving politician for POTUS 2012.

He is not an honest man!

Worth repeating. 

Perry is an opportunist who knows that it's almost impossible to be elected statewide in Texas as a democrat. That's why he went from being Al Gore's Texas campaign manager to pretending to be a republican to get elected.

73 posted on 06/22/2011 10:19:22 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: zeugma
And yet he still came out loud and clear against AZ1070

And how is that AZ immigration law working out for AZ?

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

74 posted on 06/22/2011 10:23:19 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Brookhaven

I’m guessing that would be number 2........


75 posted on 06/22/2011 10:26:33 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: zeugma
Perry is an opportunist who knows that it's almost impossible to be elected statewide in Texas as a democrat. That's why he went from being Al Gore's Texas campaign manager to pretending to be a republican to get elected.

And why did Ronald Reagan become a Republican?

Perry supported Al Gore in the 1988 presidential primary.

Perry crossed over to the Republican Party in 1989.

Now Perry says Al Gore has gone to Hell.

I think Tipper has told Al that too.

76 posted on 06/22/2011 10:28:39 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Huntsman is Romney lite. Romney thinks it's his to lose because the GOP establishment and the MSM are backing him. Gingrich always shoots himself in the foot (that's in his mouth). Santorum seems to have missed his window of opportunity. Cain is great but doesn't have the network to raise $$ and win. Bachmann isn't connecting with me, yet. Pawlenty lost me when he demured over "Obamneycare."

The one thing you left out, is that any of these candidates in a one-on-one race with Obama (they as the GOP nominee vs Obama the Democrat nominee) would defeat Obama handily. And that's the real goal here, to defeat Obama, and why I think we already have a perfectly fine group of candidates. If someone else wants to jump in, great, but our current crop of candidates will get us to our goal--defeating Obama in 2012.

BTW, I agree with you about Ron Paul. He would lose to Obama, because his foriegn policy and social issues stances (although he is pro-life) are too far out on the edge. America will not elect an isolationists that advocates lealizing herion.

77 posted on 06/22/2011 10:31:09 AM PDT by Brookhaven (Herman Cain knows computers, math, missiles, banking, burgers, pizza, gospel music, & Coca-Cola)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

When you reward illegal activity, you get more illegal activity. When you give freebies, you get more people wanting even more freebies. I would think that lesson should have been learned quite well by now.

Illegal immigration is a huge drain on local, state and federal budgets. Their presence impacts education, courts, law enforcement, prisons, health care as well as impacting wages and employment.

What part of ILLEGAL do people have trouble understanding? There are people, including my friends, that immigrated legally from Mexico, that are still waiting in line for citizenship. I welcome all law abiding immigrants who are seeking a better life. All I ask is that they do it by the book and not jump the line.

Pandering is not a solution. Seal the borders and enforce the immigration laws. Unfortunately, we are yet again on that slippery slope towards another amnesty and then another tidal wave of illegal immigration will follow. If we can’t control our own border, we cease to be a nation.

BTW - How many spots are taken by illegal aliens in classrooms that might have gone to American citizens and Texas residents? How long before preferences or financial aid gets distributed based on race or immigration status?


78 posted on 06/22/2011 10:36:38 AM PDT by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: Brookhaven

Here is a straightforward answer. The Federal Government grants visas (H1B, NAFTA, CAFTA, and others). Some individuals overstay their visa. There is also a thing called ITIN for foreign nationals to file taxes.
It is not hard. State governors and legislatures are not allowed to override Federal policy.
Fellow Americans that deride and castigate other Americans are not helpful.
I support Governor Perry as the Republican candidate.
Leadership


79 posted on 06/22/2011 10:43:36 AM PDT by JustAnotherOne (Perry-Huntsman 2012)
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To: Brookhaven

To answer your question The Texas Dream act applies to Illegals.
Anchor babies are legal, as the law stands now.

BTW in the original article it said only 1 % of students attending Texas universities and colleges are there due to the Dream Act.
There was no fact based research to back that up. I think it is higher and ANY financial aid given to an illegal is aid that is denied a legal student.


80 posted on 06/22/2011 10:47:25 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Kandy Atz

I agree with your assessment of the situation.

Now what?


81 posted on 06/22/2011 10:51:48 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
And how is that AZ immigration law working out for AZ?

Quiete well actually, the illegal invaders have been abandoning AZ for more invader-friendly states ever since its passage. No single thing is going to fix this, but to pander to racist groups like LaRaza, like Perry did when he spoke at one of their confabs, is not helpful at all.

Illegals should have to pay the same tuition as any other foreigner. Hell, I'd charge them more because we already know what a drain the illegal invaders are to our economy.

Just standing around waiting for the feds to do something about a problem that they created and encouraged isn't going to get the job done either.

82 posted on 06/22/2011 10:52:37 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’d believe his conversion if he actually governed like a conservative when he wasn’t running for office. Problem is, he doesn’t. The powers that be are pushing this loser on us. That should tell you something.


83 posted on 06/22/2011 10:53:48 AM PDT by zeugma (The only thing in the social security trust fund is your children and grandchildren's sweat.)
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To: zeugma
Just standing around waiting for the feds to do something about a problem that they created and encouraged isn't going to get the job done either.

Perry hasn't just been waiting around.

But let me ask you. If you were the Governor of Texas what would you do today about the border, illegal immigration, violence in TX (all border states), eduction of children, companies who hire illegals, etc.?

Please give some detailed options and how you would enforce them.

84 posted on 06/22/2011 10:57:43 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: zeugma
.....The powers that be are pushing this loser on us. That should tell you something.

I guess I missed that. What "powers that be?"

85 posted on 06/22/2011 10:58:42 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: RWGinger; All

“.....Meanwhile, Perry, who was a big draw at the conservative Republican Leadership Conference in New Orleans last weekend - where his call “to displace the entrenched powers in Washington” drew raves - continues to keep a high profile.

On Tuesday, Perry, the chairman of the Republican Governors Association, spoke at a fundraiser in St. Louis. On Thursday he’ll be in San Antonio to sign a bill at Boeing Co.’s production plant that will reduce taxes on the 787 Dreamliners built there.

He’ll also speak to the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials at its convention Thursday in San Antonio, a speech to watch since many Hispanics are opposed to Perry’s support for a new law requiring identification at the ballot box and for pending Texas legislation that would block state aid to local governments that prohibit police from asking people about their immigration status.

Perry’s relationship to Hispanics, the nation’s fastest-growing voting bloc, is complex, given his pro-family, anti-abortion agenda and strong anti-illegal immigration position as a Mexican border governor.

As part of his conservative social-issues credentials, he’s invited the nation’s governors to a “national day of prayer and fasting” Aug. 6 in Houston, a move that gives him a platform to court evangelicals.....”

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2011/06/22/2279105/is-texas-gov-rick-perry-the-one.html#ixzz1Q1uj9EbE


86 posted on 06/22/2011 11:30:32 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Thunder90

Bump for later


87 posted on 06/22/2011 11:35:20 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Brookhaven
.....Why the hostility?

I don't play word games to keep posters amused.

88 posted on 06/22/2011 11:38:13 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perry hasn't just been waiting around.

No he hasn't. Again, I'm not defending Perry, but if you read the full speech that Perry gave that was mentioned in the article you posted, he quite definitely didn't wait around, and he didn't give up easily on his dreams for the border areas.

I may bash Perry for supporting the pro-abortion Giuliani and for trying to put money into the pockets of his buddies, but Perry is incredibly compassionate and cares a lot about the people along both sides of the border, especially the poorer people that don't have good healthcare or education, and he definitely cared for the children of illegal immigrants. That is a side of Perry that most people will not see or they refuse to see. If Perry had gotten his way and had helped improve the healthcare and education of the poorer people along both sides of the border, I think the border situation might not be as bad as it is now. It's hard to say though, because the drug violence transcends the other issues down there.

Perry even acknowledged the drug problems along the border in that speech:

President Fox’s vision for an open border is a vision I embrace, as long as we demonstrate the will to address the obstacles to it. An open border means poverty has given way to opportunity, and Mexico’s citizens do not feel compelled to cross the border to find that opportunity. It means we have addressed pollution concerns, made substantial progress in stopping the spread of disease, and rid our crossings of illicit drug smuggling activity. Clearly we have a long way to go in addressing those issues.

As much foresight as Perry has, even he didn't realize how bad things would get. Nobody could have predicted it would get as bad as it did.

Everybody should read that speech because while a lot of us don't like him, and others think he's shallow or an airhead, that speech is from the heart and it shows an awareness of the problems along the border that most politicians, especially those from non-border states, simply do not have.
89 posted on 06/22/2011 11:47:28 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“He’ll also speak to the National Association of Latino Elected and Appointed Officials at its convention Thursday in San Antonio, a speech to watch since many Hispanics are opposed to Perry’s support for a new law requiring identification at the ballot box and for pending Texas legislation that would block state aid to local governments that prohibit police from asking people about their immigration status.”

It won’t only be Hispanics watching this speech closely.

I do not understand why legal citizens, even legal Hispanics, or maybe espeically legal Hispanics think it is racist or hateful to want our law obeyed.
I think Hispancs who actually think the matter through agree we can’t keep letting illegals in and taking care of them
I think others are whipped into a frenzy to believe that if anyone wants illegals stopped and sent back it means we hate all Hispanics.

Perry really tries to have it both ways but he ay be forced to take a stand if he really wants to run for pOTUS


90 posted on 06/22/2011 11:51:51 AM PDT by RWGinger
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To: af_vet_rr

Who better than Rick Perry to help us get through this awful mess that’s helping no one?


91 posted on 06/22/2011 11:56:26 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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But let me ask you. If you were the Governor of Texas what would you do today about the border, illegal immigration, violence in TX (all border states), eduction of children, companies who hire illegals, etc.?

I forgot to address this in my last post, but since I replied to you, I feel I should.

I would stop playing games and do a much better job of securing the border and pressuring the feds. If we pull out of Afghanistan, the terrorists are going to get their act together and they are going to come after us hard, and the Mexican border will be the easiest route, especially with the amount of weapons floating around down there.

Illegal immigration and companies who hire illegal immigrants, they are an issue that are closely tied together. I would work hard on drying up the jobs. While it's a popular image that many come here to get on some kind of welfare/public assistance, the fact is that many are here working and sending money back to Mexico. We can keep on arresting people and occasionally deporting them, but that's just dealing with the symptoms and not the actual disease. When you hear about big companies getting busted for having dozens or even hundreds of illegal aliens, and for the most part the company gets a fine, the system is broke. In many cases, the fines are so low that it's still a better deal for the companies to try and continue employing illegals. Look at Tyson Foods - they've been busted, and not much happened. They are still busy giving plenty of donations to politicians from both parties. There has to be a line drawn where a company can no longer do business, and its executives must face jailtime, if they go over a certain amount of illegal immigrants. It's easy for one or two to slip through the cracks, but when you start talking dozens or more, there's people within the company that know what's going on.

As for education, I would have stood up to the federal government on No Child Left Behind. NCLB is screwing up our public schools and it has given the federal government too much control. The feds should not be able to hold our education taxdollars. It was one of the worst things that George W. Bush supported. I have wished that Rick Perry would take a stand and tell the feds to get lost and let Texans handle Texas' education issue. Our schools worked fine for decades, but now we are faced with bureacrats in Washington and Austin who are dictating to small school districts how to run things.

I feel for Perry, he's only been in office for 10 years, and it's tough to get a lot accomplished in Texas politics in such a short time. Still won't support him, but I sympathize, and I feel he is one of the more compassionate and border-aware candidates out there. Palin, Bachmann, etc. do not have nearly the grasp he has on the border issues.
92 posted on 06/22/2011 12:00:04 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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Who better than Rick Perry to help us get through this awful mess that’s helping no one?

As a Christian, I respect Perry for wanting to improve both sides of the border and provide healthcare and education for our poorest citizens, even those here illegally, but as a Conservative, that's not where I want my tax dollars going.

I also would be concerned that any projects he pushed would be benefiting friends of his. And as a Christian, I still have problems with his supporting Rudy Giuliani during the 2008 presidential election, and I don't see me changing my mind on it. Abortion, gay marriage, gun control, those are some serious things. I'll admit that Perry does care about poor people and about illegal immigrants and their families and about improving the border, but you won't get me supporting him.
93 posted on 06/22/2011 12:06:16 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

Thank you for your comments and consideration.

So much of the problems in the states can be directly tied to states taking Federal money (our own money “given” back with strings attached).

Perry wants states to take back their power, to govern locally, for the federal government to retract.

He would be a good man to have in the White House.


94 posted on 06/22/2011 12:06:49 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: af_vet_rr

Perry supported Giuliani for his national security strength and his law enforcement background.


95 posted on 06/22/2011 12:08:29 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: af_vet_rr

Do I understand what you posted correctly? That you want Texas and other border states to spend our taxpayer money to improve life for Mexicans in Mexico?

Where do we cut here in USA to spend more on Mexico.How many USA citizens do we kick to the curb so we can improve life for Mexicans?

We send between 700 million and a billionto Mexico every year.

here is a good idea.Let mexico take care of its own.
Mexico actually ranks 14th in the WORLD on GDP so it is hardly a poor nation. That they choose to not help their own citizens is not our fault.

I would love to be able to help every single person suffering anywhere in the world. We can’t.


96 posted on 06/22/2011 12:10:55 PM PDT by RWGinger
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perry supported Giuliani for his national security strength and his law enforcement background.

Giuliani also support abortion, gay marriage, and gun control-lite, and had he somehow won, he would have been able to appoint a pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, and pro-gun control justice to the Supreme Court.
97 posted on 06/22/2011 12:27:41 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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And who did we get?

OBAMA!

And he’s elected whom to the Supreme Court?


98 posted on 06/22/2011 12:34:35 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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No I won’t...I DID read the writing and justification for compounding a mistake.

I do not agree with the sentiment.

Yes, I know these were hard working and decent people and all that. Salt of the earth etc. But squatters are still squatters.

But all of a sudden because they broke the law and continue to do so, we are now going to just let ‘em stay, reward them and even allow them one of the benefits of state citizenship: in state tuition.

Its just wrong: these people whio are here ILLEGALLY compete against our own sons and daughters maybe denyimng them a spot in state schools because they are, perhaps, not hispanic...certainly an advantage to be a minority. And IF you extend education bennies to them when will they ever go home? Why would they ever go home.

I don’t care if the know Mexico or the hellhole it has become or not. Sorry as I can be. We should not be subsidizing their lawless behavior.

imho.


99 posted on 06/22/2011 12:58:53 PM PDT by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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And who did we get?

OBAMA!

And he’s elected whom to the Supreme Court?


Which proves my point - Obama appointed a pro-abortion, pro-gun control justice, and Perry supported a "Republican" who also would have appointed a pro-abortion, pro-gun control justice. Or maybe it's proving your point that there isn't much difference between Obama and Giuliani.

I just know that in 2008 Perry campaigned for a very despicable person who would have pushed for abortions, gay marriage, and gun control.
100 posted on 06/22/2011 1:20:45 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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