Skip to comments.HERE'S A SHOCKER: Republican States Have The Best Public Schools In The Country, By A Long Shot
Posted on 06/22/2011 8:13:43 AM PDT by george76
When it come to excellence in education, red states ruleat least according to a panel of experts assembled by Tina Browns Newsweek.
Using a set of indicators ranging from graduation rate to college admissions and SAT scores, the panel reviewed data from high schools all over the country to find the best public schools in the country.
The results make depressing reading for the teacher unions: The very best public high schools in the country are heavily concentrated in red states.
Three of the nations ten best public high schools are in Texasthe no-income tax, right-to-work state that blue model defenders like to characterize as America at its worst. Florida, another no-income tax, right-to-work state long misgoverned by the evil and rapacious Bush dynasty, has two of the top ten schools.
It is becoming harder and harder to find evidence of any kind that teachers unions help either taxpayers or kids; surveys like these hasten the day when real reform comes to the American educational system.
The rise of the red states is one of those stories that the mainstream mediawhich views the world through blue-tinted lensesdoesnt like to think about.
(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...
That’s because everyone knows that Red states pay the teachers more. < /sarcasm>
This is a great article to send to my Texas school teacher friends who complain about Perry.
Could it possibly be the fact that people in red states have a set of values that places emphasis on learning?
Because the PARENTS in the “Red states” happen to be conservative, holding traditional cultural values?
Could it be?
This study will be used to justify taking more money from the red states to redistribute to the blue ones.
You mean the in the Red’ states, they pay their teaches based on experience and quality INSTEAD of union seniority?
Get outta here!
And compare them on a county-by-county district and the difference becomes even greater
And then go compositions of school districts-by-districts
The gap is enormous
But that ain't saying much.
Amen! I’m sick of the whining. My daughter goes to a public HS here in San Antonio and is in pretty much all honors and AP classes. The counselors told us that “regular is remedial”, which pissed me off even more after I learned that the school gets more money if kids take honors and AP courses. Not sure, but I think the teachers also benefit financially from teaching the “higher-level” courses.
I did ask the counselor this last time what the definition of “remedial Physics” was. No real answer.
Love how they call it a “shocker.” Why, who would have ever thought there’d be anything good about...UGH!...RED states?!
Makes one wonder if government can ever have any policy that doesn’t cause perverse incentives.
I believe the answer is “no”.
interesting. I have seen some news stories as Perry considers running that Texas is “worst in the nation” for pollution and education. It says that Texas ranks 43rd (?) in education. not sure what they mean by that, but, the war over statistics is on.
of course, people are voting with their feet and moving by the tens of thousands to Texas.....I guess they are just duped!
In my experience all teachers unions ever do is go to bat for the incompetent teachers who darn well DESERVE to get fired.
Where is the list? I can’t seem to find it.
I always love piping up with how low MI scores nationally for the moms that ask me “When are you going to send your girls to school?”
I love to answer, “When we move out of MI and into a state that actually educates them.”
“...the pillars of the Democratic Party (are) African Americans, organized labor, women and homosexuals.” *
School builders, all, hayna?
*Large lesbian Donna Brazile, (token) Gore 2000 campaign manager. http://www.npr.org/programs/npc/2001/010502.dbrazile.html
Thank you for posting the one most obvious cause to these results; even though I am sure you will never hear that listed in a news article or espoused as a probable cause!
Products of the Dallas and Houston school districts. The only other Texas school in the top 25 is from Austin.
So the top schools comes from the most Liberal cities in the state?
What MrB said.
This is why our education system won’t ever be improved much. Too many people of certain demographics place little value in learning, and those that do are more interested in indoctrination than actual education. No amount of money will change that.
A full voucher system (similar to Sweden) MIGHT but that’s another subject.
Regardless, NO politican of either party wants to stand in front of potential voters and say “the schools suck because YOU don’t teach your kids to want to learn.”
Our current district had a sizable cadre of housewife volunteers at the school on that particular day sorting boxtops and coupons to buy some of the extras the district needed.
The other (Democrat leaning) district was engaged in a similar activity but had little in the way of parental involvement even though it was more compact and many of the parents could walk there.
Californians should be asking why they went from one of the best rated education states in the country to the bottom of the heap.
I think where bad schools do exist in red states, it’s due to a throwback Appalachian/Rural South farmer mentality towards education that seems to stick in some small communities.
Oddly, some of the best cities to live in for a conservative professional looking for a decent job but a family and business friendly environment are liberal cities in conservative states.
Hehehehe not a single MI school I’ll betcha!
They call it Ole Miss.
It’s strange and distressing on how schools are percieved as being for the benefit of the teacher rather than the student.
It’s a lesson how if the basic priorities aren’t right, then nothing is right.
1) ALL government owned and run schools in this nation are GODLESS in their worldview. Simply by attending children learn to think and reason godlessly. They must merely to cooperate in the classroom and turn in assignments. ( Christian teachers who attempt to sneak in a little Christian philosophy or belief teach the children that Christians are sneaky.)
2) ALL government schools in this nation are socialist-funded, compulsory, and collectivist managed by the voter mob. Merely by attending children learn to be comfortable with taking money from their neighbor by government force, government compulsion, and collectivist and voter mob management of their lives.( And...Now with Death Panels the voting mob collective will dictate how they will die.)
3) Nearly all government owned and run schools look like prisons, treat the children like prisoners, and the government tramples **ALL** of their First Amendment Rights. Merely by attending children learn to be compliant prisoners of the state. ( Are the sheep-like people in the TSA lines proof enough of that?)
Also note that there is another Texas school in the top 10 - in Irving, Texas. Once again, this TOO is a charter/magnet school. My nephew goes to the school in Irving!
Missed Irving in the list. Congratulations to your nephew.
That means that three top 10 schools are from Dallas county.
" Central, the second-oldest continuously public high school in the United States (if one does consider schools that were initially private it's the twenty-seventh oldest public high school), was founded in 1836 and is a four-year university preparatory magnet school."
Same with the only other urban school in PA (Northwest Pennsylvania Collegiate Academy). Many of the rest are in the affluent suburbs outside Philly.
Another (sad but true) statistic...even within school districts, the more Whites/Asians and fewer Blacks/Hispanics, the better the school does.
It is likely that these children in the paragraph above have parents who are doing the BEST job of AFTERSCHOOLING!!!! (Yeah! I am shouting and jumping up and down!)
Where are the controlled studies that separate out what is learned IN THE HOME, due to the efforts of the parents and children, from that which is acquired in the institutional classroom. Huh? I think this would be a VERY important factoid to know. Yet,...As many times as I have posted this question no teacher or professor of education has ever ( not even once!) proved a link to these studies!
We could be spending a hundred thousand to HALF A MILLION dollars per child from K-12 to warehouse children in prison-like buildings ( mis-named “schools”) and they may NOT be learning anything at all there. I could very well be that if a child learns anything at all it is due entirely to the efforts of his parents and the child, himself, IN THE HOME!
It has been my anecdotal observation that academically successful homeschoolers and institutionalized children share very **SIMILAR** home habits and values. And....BOTH groups spend about the same amount of time in formal study AT THE KITCHEN TABLE!!!!!
My conclusion: Afterschooling is responsible for 99.99999% of anything any institutionalized child learns. The only thing the government schools do is send home a taxpaid curriculum! It is the parents and kids who are doing the hard work IN THE HOME!
Please read post #38.
Yep! It's entirely due to the efforts of the parents and children, themselves, IN THE HOME. It is called “afterschooling”!
Full disclosure - I live in Texas and believe we have excellent schools.
However - For this article to have been fair, it should have excluded the "Magnet" schools. A fair ranking should include only schools whose attendance is largely based on residence zones, rather than the schools that are able to cherry-pick their students. Some of magnet schools cannot turn away people, but the population is self-selected. If you or your parents care enough to at least try to get into the magnet school, then you are miles ahead of the rest of the population who do not.
Count only neighborhood-based schools or it's not fair.
Please read post #38.
Not true....people who live in Red States are stupid....at least that’s what I was told....:)
County by county folks, that is a much more reliable indicator, both within a state and for the nation as a whole.
Why doesn’t this guy actually provide a link to his source? I also wonder why he defines red and blue states by the results of the 2004 election. In that case Bush won 31 states and Kerry 19. In 2008 Obama carried 28 and McCain 22; would this author’s interpretation of the data be different using the more current result? This whole thing reads like boosterism rather than any kind of serious analysis. And for all the praise he heaps on Texas, that state still only ranks 34 in graduation rates, 4th in teenage pregnancies, and 1st in minimum wage jobs. Way to go.
Never mind excluding magnet schools, exclude the democrat leaning counties in Texas! There are plenty of areas of Wisconsin and New Jersey that vote more conservatively than the border counties. Breaking out the areas with the smaller demographic will give you a better idea of how politics effects education.
The Palm Beach County School Board on Wednesday will vote on whether to fire five employees, including a principal accused of stealing furniture from her school, a janitor caught naked in a school storage room and a female reading teacher who is accused of having sex with an 18-year-old student.
There are other, more telling metrics. Back during Wisconsin's collective bargaining war, a blogger named Iowahawk analyzed SAT scores from Texas and Wisconsin. His conclusion: if you look at aggregates, collective bargaing states like Wisconsin do better on SAT/ACT scores. If however you look at individual ethnic groups (whites in Texas vs. whites in Wisconsin, Latinos in Texas vs Latinos in Wisconsin, etc,), Texas has higher scores. You can read the whole blog post here: Longhorns 17 Badgers 1.
Of course the unspeakable fact is that on average minorities tend to score lower on the standardized tests. When there's a disproportionate number of them in a certain population, the minority scores drag down the average. That's not bigotry or racism on my part, just a measurable fact. (For the record, I don't think standardized tests are the last word on someone's intelligence or character). In the end, Iowahawk's point is this: if you control for ethnicity, Texas outperforms Wisconsin in 17 out of 18 areas.
The post by Iowahawk is especially delicious because it's in a response to an article by Paul Krugman. Iowahawk eviscerates Krugman's arguments.
too bad no one hears about much of this due to the MSM keeping a lid on it
yes and it might shut up Tommy Lee Jones when he sees that the DISD has improved it’s graduation rates too. These are pulbic schools Dallas can be proud of - oh and they get lots and lots of private foundation money or donors to make them this great.
You’re right. Do a school-district by school district breakdown and compare that to the red/blue breakdown from 2000/2004/2008 elections.
I’d bet that red would run away with it.