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HERE'S A SHOCKER: Republican States Have The Best Public Schools In The Country, By A Long Shot
The American Interest ^ | Jun. 21, 2011 | Walter Russell Mead

Posted on 06/22/2011 8:13:43 AM PDT by george76

When it come to excellence in education, red states rule—at least according to a panel of experts assembled by Tina Brown’s Newsweek.

Using a set of indicators ranging from graduation rate to college admissions and SAT scores, the panel reviewed data from high schools all over the country to find the best public schools in the country.

The results make depressing reading for the teacher unions: The very best public high schools in the country are heavily concentrated in red states.

Three of the nation’s ten best public high schools are in Texas—the no-income tax, right-to-work state that blue model defenders like to characterize as America at its worst. Florida, another no-income tax, right-to-work state long misgoverned by the evil and rapacious Bush dynasty, has two of the top ten schools.

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It is becoming harder and harder to find evidence of any kind that teachers’ unions help either taxpayers or kids; surveys like these hasten the day when real reform comes to the American educational system.

The rise of the red states is one of those stories that the mainstream media—which views the world through blue-tinted lenses—doesn’t like to think about.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: education; media; schools; taxpayers; teachersunions
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1 posted on 06/22/2011 8:13:48 AM PDT by george76
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To: george76

That’s because everyone knows that Red states pay the teachers more. < /sarcasm>


2 posted on 06/22/2011 8:16:42 AM PDT by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: george76

This is a great article to send to my Texas school teacher friends who complain about Perry.


3 posted on 06/22/2011 8:20:56 AM PDT by Jane Long (2 Chron 7:14)
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To: george76

Could it possibly be the fact that people in red states have a set of values that places emphasis on learning?


4 posted on 06/22/2011 8:23:29 AM PDT by RockinRight (Cain/Bachmann, Bachmann/Rubio, or, if you really want some fun, Cain/McCotter in 2012!)
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To: george76

Because the PARENTS in the “Red states” happen to be conservative, holding traditional cultural values?

Could it be?

Naaaaaw.


5 posted on 06/22/2011 8:23:34 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: george76

This study will be used to justify taking more money from the red states to redistribute to the blue ones.


6 posted on 06/22/2011 8:23:36 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Hodar

You mean the in the Red’ states, they pay their teaches based on experience and quality INSTEAD of union seniority?

Get outta here!


7 posted on 06/22/2011 8:24:14 AM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: george76

bump


8 posted on 06/22/2011 8:24:31 AM PDT by GOPJ (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. - - Orwell)
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To: george76

And compare them on a county-by-county district and the difference becomes even greater

And then go compositions of school districts-by-districts

The gap is enormous


9 posted on 06/22/2011 8:25:16 AM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (EX Congressman Anthony Weiner: "Celebrate 'Perversity'")
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To: george76
Republican States Have The Best Public Schools In The Country, By A Long Shot

But that ain't saying much.

10 posted on 06/22/2011 8:25:37 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Jane Long

Amen! I’m sick of the whining. My daughter goes to a public HS here in San Antonio and is in pretty much all honors and AP classes. The counselors told us that “regular is remedial”, which pissed me off even more after I learned that the school gets more money if kids take honors and AP courses. Not sure, but I think the teachers also benefit financially from teaching the “higher-level” courses.

I did ask the counselor this last time what the definition of “remedial Physics” was. No real answer.

Colonel, USAFR


11 posted on 06/22/2011 8:27:42 AM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: george76

Love how they call it a “shocker.” Why, who would have ever thought there’d be anything good about...UGH!...RED states?!


12 posted on 06/22/2011 8:28:05 AM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: jagusafr

Makes one wonder if government can ever have any policy that doesn’t cause perverse incentives.

I believe the answer is “no”.


13 posted on 06/22/2011 8:29:58 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Jane Long

interesting. I have seen some news stories as Perry considers running that Texas is “worst in the nation” for pollution and education. It says that Texas ranks 43rd (?) in education. not sure what they mean by that, but, the war over statistics is on.

of course, people are voting with their feet and moving by the tens of thousands to Texas.....I guess they are just duped!


14 posted on 06/22/2011 8:30:57 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: george76
Big shock here in Ill. I worked at a local school for two
years and was appalled at how corrupt and stupid the people
running it were. I mentioned Yamamoto to the superintendent
once and he thought I was referring to a Pokemon character.
15 posted on 06/22/2011 8:33:05 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: george76

In my experience all teachers unions ever do is go to bat for the incompetent teachers who darn well DESERVE to get fired.


16 posted on 06/22/2011 8:34:37 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: RockinRight
Could it possibly be the fact that people in red states have a set of values that places emphasis on learning?

Bingo!

17 posted on 06/22/2011 8:35:46 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: george76

Where is the list? I can’t seem to find it.

I always love piping up with how low MI scores nationally for the moms that ask me “When are you going to send your girls to school?”

I love to answer, “When we move out of MI and into a state that actually educates them.”


18 posted on 06/22/2011 8:36:20 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: george76

“...the pillars of the Democratic Party (are) African Americans, organized labor, women and homosexuals.” *

School builders, all, hayna?

*Large lesbian Donna Brazile, (token) Gore 2000 campaign manager. http://www.npr.org/programs/npc/2001/010502.dbrazile.html


19 posted on 06/22/2011 8:36:25 AM PDT by flowerplough (Bammy: It frustrates me when people talk about govemrnment jobs as if somehow those are worth less.)
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To: RockinRight; george76

Thank you for posting the one most obvious cause to these results; even though I am sure you will never hear that listed in a news article or espoused as a probable cause!


20 posted on 06/22/2011 8:36:36 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: george76
"Three of the nation’s ten best public high schools are in Texas."

Products of the Dallas and Houston school districts. The only other Texas school in the top 25 is from Austin.

So the top schools comes from the most Liberal cities in the state?

21 posted on 06/22/2011 8:36:55 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: MrB
Because the PARENTS in the “Red states” happen to be conservative, holding traditional cultural values?

What MrB said.

22 posted on 06/22/2011 8:39:00 AM PDT by Snake65
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To: ExTxMarine; P.O.E.; george76

This is why our education system won’t ever be improved much. Too many people of certain demographics place little value in learning, and those that do are more interested in indoctrination than actual education. No amount of money will change that.

A full voucher system (similar to Sweden) MIGHT but that’s another subject.

Regardless, NO politican of either party wants to stand in front of potential voters and say “the schools suck because YOU don’t teach your kids to want to learn.”


23 posted on 06/22/2011 8:40:02 AM PDT by RockinRight (Cain/Bachmann, Bachmann/Rubio, or, if you really want some fun, Cain/McCotter in 2012!)
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To: MrB
When we moved to Pennsylvania (from Japan) nearly a decade ago, we made a conscious effort to locate in a Republican leaning school district. Taxes were less of an issue than the education quality. We made it a point to tour the middle school in two areas were we were considering buying a house.

Our current district had a sizable cadre of housewife volunteers at the school on that particular day sorting boxtops and coupons to buy some of the extras the district needed.

The other (Democrat leaning) district was engaged in a similar activity but had little in the way of parental involvement even though it was more compact and many of the parents could walk there.

24 posted on 06/22/2011 8:40:03 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: netmilsmom
Where is the list? I can’t seem to find it.

America's Best High Schools

25 posted on 06/22/2011 8:40:08 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: george76
The difference isn't the teachers, it is the parents.
26 posted on 06/22/2011 8:41:26 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (From her lips to the voters' ears: Debbie Wasserman Schultz: "We own the economy" June 15, 2011)
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To: george76

Californians should be asking why they went from one of the best rated education states in the country to the bottom of the heap.


27 posted on 06/22/2011 8:43:22 AM PDT by RC2
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To: Doe Eyes

I think where bad schools do exist in red states, it’s due to a throwback Appalachian/Rural South farmer mentality towards education that seems to stick in some small communities.

Oddly, some of the best cities to live in for a conservative professional looking for a decent job but a family and business friendly environment are liberal cities in conservative states.


28 posted on 06/22/2011 8:44:23 AM PDT by RockinRight (Cain/Bachmann, Bachmann/Rubio, or, if you really want some fun, Cain/McCotter in 2012!)
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To: Doe Eyes

THANKS!!!!

Hehehehe not a single MI school I’ll betcha!


29 posted on 06/22/2011 8:45:45 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: Doe Eyes
So the top schools comes from the most Liberal cities in the state?

Please note, that these are charter/magnet schools! These are NOT normal everyday public schools. Your kids have to excel to be accepted into these schools and they require, REQUIRE parent participation!

Also note that there is another Texas school in the top 10 - in Irving, Texas. Once again, this TOO is a charter/magnet school. My nephew goes to the school in Irving!
30 posted on 06/22/2011 8:46:53 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: george76

school Ping


31 posted on 06/22/2011 8:46:55 AM PDT by 4Speed
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To: george76
Mississippi has one of the best high schools in the country.

They call it Ole Miss.

32 posted on 06/22/2011 8:50:42 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK (I'm waiting for the POP!)
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To: george76

It’s strange and distressing on how schools are percieved as being for the benefit of the teacher rather than the student.

It’s a lesson how if the basic priorities aren’t right, then nothing is right.


33 posted on 06/22/2011 8:52:09 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: george76
There are NO good government schools in this nation!

1) ALL government owned and run schools in this nation are GODLESS in their worldview. Simply by attending children learn to think and reason godlessly. They must merely to cooperate in the classroom and turn in assignments. ( Christian teachers who attempt to sneak in a little Christian philosophy or belief teach the children that Christians are sneaky.)

2) ALL government schools in this nation are socialist-funded, compulsory, and collectivist managed by the voter mob. Merely by attending children learn to be comfortable with taking money from their neighbor by government force, government compulsion, and collectivist and voter mob management of their lives.( And...Now with Death Panels the voting mob collective will dictate how they will die.)

3) Nearly all government owned and run schools look like prisons, treat the children like prisoners, and the government tramples **ALL** of their First Amendment Rights. Merely by attending children learn to be compliant prisoners of the state. ( Are the sheep-like people in the TSA lines proof enough of that?)

34 posted on 06/22/2011 8:54:13 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: ExTxMarine
Please note, that these are charter/magnet schools! These are NOT normal everyday public schools.

Agree

Also note that there is another Texas school in the top 10 - in Irving, Texas. Once again, this TOO is a charter/magnet school. My nephew goes to the school in Irving!

Missed Irving in the list. Congratulations to your nephew.

That means that three top 10 schools are from Dallas county.

35 posted on 06/22/2011 9:00:57 AM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: ExTxMarine
Yup - the only school listed in Philadelphia is Central High:

" Central, the second-oldest continuously public high school in the United States (if one does consider schools that were initially private it's the twenty-seventh oldest public high school), was founded in 1836 and is a four-year university preparatory magnet school."

Wikipedia

Same with the only other urban school in PA (Northwest Pennsylvania Collegiate Academy). Many of the rest are in the affluent suburbs outside Philly.

36 posted on 06/22/2011 9:01:45 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America)
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To: NonValueAdded

Yup.

Another (sad but true) statistic...even within school districts, the more Whites/Asians and fewer Blacks/Hispanics, the better the school does.


37 posted on 06/22/2011 9:01:57 AM PDT by RockinRight (Cain/Bachmann, Bachmann/Rubio, or, if you really want some fun, Cain/McCotter in 2012!)
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To: george76
Three of the nation’s ten best public high schools are in Texas—the no-income tax, right-to-work state that blue model defenders like to characterize as America at its worst. Florida, another no-income tax, right-to-work state long misgoverned by the evil and rapacious Bush dynasty, has two of the top ten schools.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

It is likely that these children in the paragraph above have parents who are doing the BEST job of AFTERSCHOOLING!!!! (Yeah! I am shouting and jumping up and down!)

Where are the controlled studies that separate out what is learned IN THE HOME, due to the efforts of the parents and children, from that which is acquired in the institutional classroom. Huh? I think this would be a VERY important factoid to know. Yet,...As many times as I have posted this question no teacher or professor of education has ever ( not even once!) proved a link to these studies!

We could be spending a hundred thousand to HALF A MILLION dollars per child from K-12 to warehouse children in prison-like buildings ( mis-named “schools”) and they may NOT be learning anything at all there. I could very well be that if a child learns anything at all it is due entirely to the efforts of his parents and the child, himself, IN THE HOME!

It has been my anecdotal observation that academically successful homeschoolers and institutionalized children share very **SIMILAR** home habits and values. And....BOTH groups spend about the same amount of time in formal study AT THE KITCHEN TABLE!!!!!

My conclusion: Afterschooling is responsible for 99.99999% of anything any institutionalized child learns. The only thing the government schools do is send home a taxpaid curriculum! It is the parents and kids who are doing the hard work IN THE HOME!

38 posted on 06/22/2011 9:04:33 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: NonValueAdded
The difference isn't the teachers, it is the parents.
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Please read post #38.

Yep! It's entirely due to the efforts of the parents and children, themselves, IN THE HOME. It is called “afterschooling”!

39 posted on 06/22/2011 9:08:29 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: george76
Dissenting View of the article.

Full disclosure - I live in Texas and believe we have excellent schools.

However - For this article to have been fair, it should have excluded the "Magnet" schools. A fair ranking should include only schools whose attendance is largely based on residence zones, rather than the schools that are able to cherry-pick their students. Some of magnet schools cannot turn away people, but the population is self-selected. If you or your parents care enough to at least try to get into the magnet school, then you are miles ahead of the rest of the population who do not.

Count only neighborhood-based schools or it's not fair.

40 posted on 06/22/2011 9:09:21 AM PDT by tpmintx (Liberalism=Envy, backed by Governmental authority. [I'm green; are you?])
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To: RockinRight

Please read post #38.


41 posted on 06/22/2011 9:09:30 AM PDT by wintertime
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To: All

Not true....people who live in Red States are stupid....at least that’s what I was told....:)


42 posted on 06/22/2011 9:19:27 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: george76

County by county folks, that is a much more reliable indicator, both within a state and for the nation as a whole.


43 posted on 06/22/2011 9:28:27 AM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: george76

Why doesn’t this guy actually provide a link to his source? I also wonder why he defines red and blue states by the results of the 2004 election. In that case Bush won 31 states and Kerry 19. In 2008 Obama carried 28 and McCain 22; would this author’s interpretation of the data be different using the more current result? This whole thing reads like boosterism rather than any kind of serious analysis. And for all the praise he heaps on Texas, that state still only ranks 34 in graduation rates, 4th in teenage pregnancies, and 1st in minimum wage jobs. Way to go.


44 posted on 06/22/2011 9:29:05 AM PDT by stormer
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To: tpmintx

Never mind excluding magnet schools, exclude the democrat leaning counties in Texas! There are plenty of areas of Wisconsin and New Jersey that vote more conservatively than the border counties. Breaking out the areas with the smaller demographic will give you a better idea of how politics effects education.


45 posted on 06/22/2011 9:31:08 AM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: Buckeye McFrog

The Palm Beach County School Board on Wednesday will vote on whether to fire five employees, including a principal accused of stealing furniture from her school, a janitor caught naked in a school storage room and a female reading teacher who is accused of having sex with an 18-year-old student.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/palm-beach/pb-school-board-advance-20110621,0,2985975.story


46 posted on 06/22/2011 9:32:55 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ConservativeDude; RockinRight
I think the "43rd" refers to the graduation rate, which in Texas is comparatively low. The high drop out rate for minorities accounts for the low ranking.

There are other, more telling metrics. Back during Wisconsin's collective bargaining war, a blogger named Iowahawk analyzed SAT scores from Texas and Wisconsin. His conclusion: if you look at aggregates, collective bargaing states like Wisconsin do better on SAT/ACT scores. If however you look at individual ethnic groups (whites in Texas vs. whites in Wisconsin, Latinos in Texas vs Latinos in Wisconsin, etc,), Texas has higher scores. You can read the whole blog post here: Longhorns 17 Badgers 1.

Of course the unspeakable fact is that on average minorities tend to score lower on the standardized tests. When there's a disproportionate number of them in a certain population, the minority scores drag down the average. That's not bigotry or racism on my part, just a measurable fact. (For the record, I don't think standardized tests are the last word on someone's intelligence or character). In the end, Iowahawk's point is this: if you control for ethnicity, Texas outperforms Wisconsin in 17 out of 18 areas.

The post by Iowahawk is especially delicious because it's in a response to an article by Paul Krugman. Iowahawk eviscerates Krugman's arguments.

47 posted on 06/22/2011 9:42:31 AM PDT by ishmac (Lady Thatcher:"There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.")
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To: george76

too bad no one hears about much of this due to the MSM keeping a lid on it


48 posted on 06/22/2011 10:20:09 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: Jane Long

yes and it might shut up Tommy Lee Jones when he sees that the DISD has improved it’s graduation rates too. These are pulbic schools Dallas can be proud of - oh and they get lots and lots of private foundation money or donors to make them this great.


49 posted on 06/22/2011 10:42:46 AM PDT by q_an_a (a)
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To: MSF BU

You’re right. Do a school-district by school district breakdown and compare that to the red/blue breakdown from 2000/2004/2008 elections.

I’d bet that red would run away with it.


50 posted on 06/22/2011 11:06:11 AM PDT by tpmintx (Liberalism=Envy, backed by Governmental authority. [I'm green; are you?])
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