Skip to comments.Obama to announce return of 30,000 troops from Afghanistan by end of next year
Posted on 06/22/2011 9:19:24 AM PDT by americanophile
President Obama's "surge" of 30,000 troops to Afghanistan announced in late 2009 was meant to be temporary, and Wednesday night the president is expected to announce that they will return home by around the time voters head to the polls to determine whether he gets another term.
In prime-time speech to the nation, Obama is expected to say about 5,000 troops will begin coming home this summer with an additional 5,000 troops by the end of this year, sources told CBS News. And about 20,000 more troops are expected to return to the United States by the end of 2012, the sources said. That would still leave about 70,000 troops in Afghanistan -- about twice as many troops as when Obama took office in January 2009.
That timetable is more aggressive than some military advisers had urged. Obama made the final decision Tuesday after weighing options presented to him by General David Petraeus, his top commander in Afghanistan.
Some military advisers feared a rapid withdrawal could put at risk some of the gains made against the Taliban.
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A desperation move, given the economy and his poll numbers.
But it will work. This move will make Obama even harder to beat in 2012.
Considering my nephew just got there, this actually MIGHT be good news.
Yup, purely political and has zero to do with military strategy.
He`s got an election to win and YES, their messiah WILL be hard to defeat.
I have heard anywhere from 10,000 to 40,000. Guess we know tonight. If 30,000, that was the “temporary” surge numbers sent leaving how many 100,000?
I am part of the; we went to Afghanistan to get OBL. We got him. Bring troops home, suspend all immigration from the entire region - they have billions of our dollars and infrastructure it it time for them to make it themselves.
He is such an idiot he always leaks his boring speeches ahead.This will not appease his left wing (his only base) BTW.
It will HURT him among his Marxist base when the withdrawal doesn't materialize by election time. Ø will either completely break the military, or his election chances.
One has that sinking feeling.
I disagree....somewhat. I think the people are tired and done with Iraq and Afghanistan. I also believe that our people know that this administration has made a mess of things over there.
One thing I’m afraid of is that the 10-40,000 will be used in Libya. Our people want out of the Middle East......all of it.
“I am part of the; we went to Afghanistan to get OBL. We got him. Bring troops home, suspend all immigration from the entire region - they have billions of our dollars and infrastructure it it time for them to make it themselves.”
Seriously, we should of declared victory after OBL death and brought them all home. There is no other point to ever exit cleanly now.
Holy crap! That a lot bigger than the 5,000 number that was floating around.
Meaningless. Just like his commitment to close Club Gitmo.
This won’t make a difference to voters as the damage has been done. Obama wont win the election, I’m confident about that.
I strongly disagree.
Obama's schizophrenic, incoherent foreign policy won't help him one whit in the election.
He owns the economy, and it's getting worse and worse.
As things presently stand, I don't think Obama will be hard to beat at all.
I agree and for some reason I have complete peace that O will be a one term president. Voters have been jumping ship. As it was quoted before ‘obama is not cool anymore’. That’s what he ran on and it’s not taking further than one term.
I realize my thoughts may be at odds with others’ here, but I’ll post them anyway.
We might as well bring 30,000 back.
Or, bring them ALL back.
The taliban are very patient. They will “lay in wait”, knowing that we can’t stay there forever, and that while we are there we will not take REAL steps to defeat Islam in that country.
By “real steps”, I mean:
- install a military government which will control all facets of the government, while we write them a new constitution (a la what McArthur did in Japan) that does things like:
- ban Islam as a religion
- close all mosques and madrassas
- essentially, do what Ann Coulter so plainly said in 2001.
Instead, we support a government that embraces Islam and may even “deal on the side” with the taliban.
Is this how we “win”?
Bring our guys back as soon as possible — not to do so is merely delaying the inevitable.
Or — conquer the damn place (and I do mean CONQUER it), Carthage-style.
Again my opinion only.
I realize yours may be very different...
- Just sayin’....
How about those who WON’T BE COMING HOME? Will the MSM report the cost in blood of Dear Leader’s ill-advised shenanigans? [Rhetorical question]
He was voted in as a prom king, and now he hasn't fulfilled his 'promises' to the kids in his class, so they're abandoning him like rats on a sinking ship.
He's going to lose. I feel it in my bones. And this definitely won't help him.
It will work? By whose standard? Two things will happen: American casualties will greatly increase for lack of sufficient troops and Afghanistan will look less secure than ever. I think it’s a win for us, but unfortunately not for our troops.
Exactly. This is a purely political decision.
Will not help the Kenyan Dung heap,he has $4.00 Gas and 17-18% unemployment for starters.
LOL. Yeah, the economy, unemployment, skyrocketing national debt, inflation including high gas prices, etc. won't matter that much if Obama brings home 30,000 troops from Afghanistan and leaves 70,000 there, twice as many as when he took office.
The "unbeatable" Obama will defy the laws of political gravity and the people will clamor for four more years of Obama policies. Yeah, that's the ticket.
He has time to rebrand himself and play havoc with the people’s well laid class envy.
Are you serious? It’s not about the troops coming home it’s about “The economy stupid” bringing the boys home doesn’t create one job and this whole thing is an obvious political (only) move.
If the reports from Afghanistan begin to worsen due to lack of troop strength then this desperation move will backfire.
I think you’re probably right and think most freepers agree with you. There will be huge negative consequences either way. See, this is what happens when and country trades Truth for “equality”. We get crap like “Religion of Peace” and “pray to the same God.”
Did we win?
Did we lose?
What was the goal? Have we met it?
What happens next?
I haven’t seen this on the posts either, but have we all forgotten Iraq? How many troops are coming home from Iraq too?
It is all about Afghanistan and we’ve dropped the ball as we are once again blinded by words that mean nothing.
My son-in-law ships out to Afghanistan within 22 days.
I think the entire charade is just another Obama shell game.
In order to play robin hood, the system will basically collapse and there will not be anything to go around. And we're about at that point now. The ‘in group’ are doing ok, but the rest of the little people are suffering due to increasing price of fuel and food alone. Unfortunately, since Obama did not follow through with paying rent, filling gas tanks, etc...the kids are just taking, so now we have violent flash mobs.
I don't think he'll even get close to the same turn out of voters as last time. It was a one time gig for him. His voters are just not ‘into it’ anymore. The excitement is gone and his history did not live up to his words. Re branding will not work, except maybe to union leaders and Acorn, and Code Pink. But, to regular folks, they'll probably just stay home and not even vote at all. My analysis for whatever it's worth.
He will withdraw 30,000 troops just like how he closed Gitmo and put Khalid Sheikh Mohammed on trial in midtown Manhattan.
He may get 5000 or 7000 troops out by the end of the year.
The rest is just blathering promises to shore-up his grumpy leftist base.
“The “unbeatable” Obama will defy the laws of political gravity and the people will clamor for four more years of Obama policies. Yeah, that’s the ticket.”
He defies political gravity. The economy is a mess, he’s incompetent, and lazy, most people know that. And while most disagree with his direction and lack of leadership, his personal likability is over 50%, and he has a built in 13% of the electorate, provided they bother to vote.
I don’t underestimate the threat. Many of us did that in 2008.
Personal likeability only goes so far. On every major policy issue, Obama polls far less than 50%. If the economy continues to stagnate and unemployment stays roughly the same, Obama is toast no matter how much he is "liked." I bet many who respond to these polls on Obama's likeability are saying they like him rather than being considered to be a racist.
How do you explain the 2010 midterms, which were largely a referendum on Obama's policies?
Actually, I am happy to see such a large draw down.
The Arab Spring is putting our troops in very grave danger within the region.
We need to get them out of there...across the board.
Besides, this is a political move to satisfy his leftists. Let's see ... he has Bid Laden and is bringing the troops home. Get your eyes off the economy and on to HIM. Meanwhile, he's off with his buddies golfing and planning the next vacation...
“I dont underestimate the threat. Many of us did that in 2008.”
Just after O announced his run (while he was a senator), I told my husband he would win. At this point, he was a nobody other than his great Ill speech. My husband laughed at me, for a long time he thought how could someone like him win? But, I could feel it, I could tell that he had what it took to fool the people. But, he doesn’t have it this time around. I’ll lay money on it.
“How do you explain the 2010 midterms, which were largely a referendum on Obama’s policies?”
They were midterms, the adults turned out to vote, the kids and other mental lightweights stayed home. With the full court press of the MSM and Obama’s huge war chest, the dim masses could be fired up again.
No one wants to be rid of Obama any more than I do. I’m simply saying he won’t be easy to beat. Our nominee is important, and participation is important. A lot of freepers stayed home in 2008. I held my nose and voted McCain because I understood the threat Obama posed. I was right, those that stayed home were terribly wrong. I don’t want to see Obama get a 2nd term, the damage will be irreversible from a 2nd term.
“But, he doesnt have it this time around. Ill lay money on it.”
I hope you are right. But if Mittens is the nominee... there are conservatives that will stay home AGAIN.
The electorate is ignorant beyond my comprehension, and that scares me.
I agree with you and Obama will not get the same turnout of voters as in 2008. His folks are bored of politics as it did not serve them well at all. In fact they are probably even more discouraged since their big break, didn’t do anything for them. The decision to bring the troops home will not impact votes, as people are more concerned with how their personal life is being effected, such as being broke. For goodness sakes, he said we were done in Iraq, yet we still have troops there. This is not on the top of the agenda for the average citizen who lives in their own little world.
Not going to happen. Judging from cynicism about military matters (particularly because Zero went into Libya unprovoked) they will have a wait-and-see attitude.
And I suspect violence will increase there, too, as the date comes closer. This will be a negative for Obama's re-election efforts.
This is INSANE!!!
They’re just talking about the group that’s there’s now!
THERE IS ANOTHER BRIGADE REPLACING THEM!!!
They say this every friggin’ time a brigade comes home from Iraq or Afghanistan.
There is no actual draw-down.
The current status of the TAPI pipeline in Afganistan, to be completed by 2016 if the Taliban permits, or the Taliban is defeated, has been one of the unreported central issues regarding US involvement in Afganistan. US is currently in talks with Taliban which are probably going nowhere. Kissinger was apparently involved in the conceptualizing of the pipeline in the early nineties.
Conceived of by Kissinger in the early nineties, the pipeline (Tadjikistan, Afganistan, Pakistan and India) has been central to Afgan US interests from the beginning along with other infrequently mentioned issues and goals by US media. Current status of pipeline, to conceivably be completed by 2016 if Taliban cooperates, has other current issues among the partners to be resolved. Designed to bypass Russian interests, GAZPROM is attempting to be involved.
Somehow, the Obama administration and the media fail to report on what the rest of the world knows about Afganistan and the US involvement there:
More on the TAPI pipeline and other issues not well covered by US media from Pepe Escobar’s blog (he writes on the Asia Times)
“Sleepy (for now) Gwadar has been building up for years as the key node of the IP (Iran-Pakistan) pipeline, which used to be the IPI (Iran-Pakistan-India) or “peace” pipeline, before New Delhi got cold feet. For Washington, the prospect of a steel umbilical cord linking Iran and Pakistan has always been anathema.
What Washington wants - and has wanted badly since the Bill Clinton years - is the TAP (Trans-Afghan) pipeline, which then became TAPI (Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India). Even millennial rocks in the Hindu Kush know TAP or TAPI will only be built when the war is over in Afghanistan, with the Taliban an inevitable part of the government.
In this ongoing, epic IP (or IPI) versus TAP (or TAPI) battle, what is never mentioned is that the winner after all may be... China.
New Delhi knows a pipeline crossing Afghanistan is, well, a pipe dream. But still it has not committed itself to IPI - in part because of relentless Washington pressure, in part because it does not trust Pakistan.
China, on the other hand, has already proposed itself for an IP expansion. This means that starting at Gwadar, another pipeline would be built, by the Chinese of course, crossing Balochistan and then following the Karakoram highway northwards all the way to Xinjiang, China’s Far West.”
THe whole article is worth reading, illuminating the difficulties and LARGER PURPOSES of our involvement there.
I did a search for TAPI in the Free Republic. There have been NO postings on this central gasline project so central to our involvement in Afganistan since the Clinton administration via Kissinger! As our troops move in and out of Afganistan for mysterious reasons, the central issues of the US, Russia, China all competing for influence and control of Central and SW Central Asia are almost never emphasized.
In 2008, no Rep could have beaten Obama or Hillary. The country had soured on Bush and no one wanted a third term for the GOP. McCain was a terrible candidate and that just cemented the result.
The 2006 midterms returned power to the Dems who regained control over Congress after an absence of 12 years. The 2006 results were the harbinger of what would happen in 2008. The Dems were motivated, angry, and well-funded. Obama was the hope and change candidate as the US economy was in free fall. In 2012, the candidate with the blank slate will not be Obama. He has a record and it ain't good. The results of the 2010 midterms are an indication of what will probably happen in 2012. The Left, MSM, and some GOP cassandras try to minimize the 2010 results and paint them as essentially meaningless. They will be saying in 2012 how "unexpected" the results were.
My hubby just got there as well. I understand why so many people are excited about a draw down. However, It makes me fear that Afghanistan is going to be even more dangerous than it is now. Prayers for your family!
Earthquake coming to US interests in SW Asia, Afganistan, TAPI pipeline. Is Obama out of his league? Escobar reports interesting and significant info on challenges to the West, NATO, US by the new Chinese relationships:
People don't vote on troop strength or war.
People vote the economy and with 10% unemployment, 4-5 dollar gas prices, a worthless dollar and on and on, Obama's new slogan is going to end up being:
"We Hope for Change - cause what we're doin' right now, truly sucks!"
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