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Since when does abortion have anything to do with slavery?
CL Atlanta ^ | Wed, Jun 22, 2011 | Mishall Rehman

Posted on 06/22/2011 11:12:32 AM PDT by presidio9

According to the Radiance Foundation, abortion and slavery have a lot more in common than you might have thought. And to make sure you see the link between the two, the Alpharetta-based foundation has started a campaign to prop up nearly 50 billboards across metro Atlanta.

The billboards feature such slogans as "The 13th Amendment Freed us. Abortion Enslaved Us" and "Abortion makes three-fifths human seem overly generous." The billboards popped up across metro Atlanta on Juneteenth, which commemorates the end of slavery in the United States.

The billboards are part of a campaign targeted at persuading black women from resorting to abortions. Black women account for 30 percent of abortions but are only 12 percent of the population.

The campaign has raised many eyebrows from organizations like the NAACP who told the Huffington Post that likening slavery to abortion is slightly offensive:

"Comparing abortion to slavery certainly raises major concerns," Hilary Shelton, director of the Washington bureau of the NAACP, told HuffPost in an interview. "Women are not forced to have abortions the way they were in servitude. Slavery was about not having the right to make any decisions. Women were actually bred to produce children for the purposes of profit. This is so far removed from that, that if it weren't such a serious issue, it would almost be laughable." The foundation also launched other similar campaigns across the country in the past to target black women from contributing to the so called abortion "epidemic."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 13thamendment; abortion; blackgenocide; ellenjames; juneteenth; moonbattery; moralabsolutes; prolife
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1 posted on 06/22/2011 11:12:37 AM PDT by presidio9
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To: wagglebee

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2 posted on 06/22/2011 11:15:05 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9
Black women account for 30 percent of abortions but are only 12 percent of the population.

Blacks account for 12% of the population. Black women (in the sense of all black females of any age) should be about 6% of the population. I wish modern journalists could write clearly and precisely.

3 posted on 06/22/2011 11:15:11 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: presidio9

Large segments of the black population are enslaved on the Democrat plantation without means to exist except that doled out by the Mas’sah. They are liberal and insist on responsibilityless sex beginning at 14. They must have abortion as a right


4 posted on 06/22/2011 11:16:47 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: presidio9

When folks say “I think abortion is bad, but I can’t impose my will on other people...” I always wonder if they feel that way about slavery.


5 posted on 06/22/2011 11:17:30 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my Dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: presidio9

Abortion has a lot of parallels to slavery.

The issue is about one class of people, those who are born, deciding that another class of people, the unborn,

are not fully human, and therefore do not have the same rights as those who are.


6 posted on 06/22/2011 11:18:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: presidio9

This campaign is correct in its assertion of a connection between slavery and abortion, but their reasoning is incorrect.

The connection is that both are based on one human’s unfettered control over another human, both based on the false premise that the victim is something less than human.


7 posted on 06/22/2011 11:19:35 AM PDT by almcbean
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To: presidio9
Fr. Frank Pavone likes to state that "America will not reject abortion if it does not see abortion" as reason to take the veil away from the public.

What was interesting just a couple of days ago was the government's new warning labels on cigarettes that display the effects of cancer. Very revealing in that the government believes images are very persuasive in getting a message across. Although they will argue in court that this is somehow a violation of a person's rights in forcing them to view such images (except for cigarettes because the government is doing it).

8 posted on 06/22/2011 11:20:13 AM PDT by frogjerk (Liberalism: The ideology of envy.)
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To: presidio9

I think I can see the connection. According to the CDC, since the Supreme Court decision in Roe vs Wade in 1973, 13 million African American babies have been lost to abortion. The CDC reports that of the approximately 4000 abortions that are performed daily in the United States, 1452 of them are performed on African American women and their pre-born children. This means that although African Americans represent only 12% of the population of the United States, they account for 35% of the abortions performed in this country.


9 posted on 06/22/2011 11:20:13 AM PDT by Jim Scott
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To: Owl_Eagle

I also say to pro-choicers

that one day they will be looked on with the same disdain that antebellum pro-slavery people are viewed today.


10 posted on 06/22/2011 11:20:40 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

See my post 7; we must be likeminded, but you’re a faster typer.


11 posted on 06/22/2011 11:21:05 AM PDT by almcbean
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To: presidio9
These guys really are thick, aren't they?

Slavery diminished the value of human liberty to chattel or property. Some slave owners even patted themselves on the back for saving lives and introducing primitive people to civilization who surely would have been killed in tribal warfare had they not been sold into slavery.

Abortion is takes that line of reasoning one step further by equating other human life with bodily tissue-- to be destroyed or kept as the owner sees fit. Even that logic falls short; you can't elect to amputate an otherwise healthy limb, for instance. You can intentionally maim yourself, but you will spend time in a mental institution (at least) for doing so. It won't be celebrated by the left as a choice.

12 posted on 06/22/2011 11:22:07 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: almcbean
The connection is that both are based on one human’s unfettered control over another human, both based on the false premise that the victim is something less than human.

Another more visible connection is that both of these evils are the product of government laws.

13 posted on 06/22/2011 11:22:28 AM PDT by frogjerk (Liberalism: The ideology of envy.)
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To: presidio9; 185JHP; 230FMJ; AKA Elena; Albion Wilde; Aleighanne; Alexander Rubin; ...
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14 posted on 06/22/2011 11:22:56 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: presidio9
The 13th amendment freed us.
We were full citizens, with all humans rights (for awhile).
With abortion, 15 million of us were declared less than human, and killed because of that.
All God's children are human. Stop the slaughter.
15 posted on 06/22/2011 11:25:03 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: MrB

It’s interesting browsing old editorials about slavery from the 1800’s. Many of those in favor of slavery will start out with “I am personally opposed to slavery but...”


16 posted on 06/22/2011 11:25:39 AM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: almcbean

Saw that - 1 min, 4 sec


17 posted on 06/22/2011 11:26:14 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: presidio9

Of course there is a similarity. Slavery and abortion are both based on the theory that some human beings aren’t really human beings, so you can kill or enslave them without feeling bad about it.

This campaign is an attempt to reach out to black people and get them on the pro-life bandwagon. But I would agree that their argument is a bit confused.

If you want to make the case against killing off black babies, then it would be more logical to point out that Margaret Sanger wanted to exterminate the “lesser races,” and that her “family planning” arguments led straight to Hitler.


18 posted on 06/22/2011 11:27:22 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: presidio9

I have long made the comparison. Abortion is exactly like slavery: They’re both about the definition of a “person” and what distinguishes a person from “property”.


19 posted on 06/22/2011 11:27:57 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: bert

You are so right. I don’t know sometimes which is worse, what is done to them before they are born or after. One is the murder of innocent life. The other is murder of the soul. I wish these race pimps that promote this enslavement of their own people would all be stricken with something that would force them to have to tell the truth. Then let nature take its coursse.


20 posted on 06/22/2011 11:28:41 AM PDT by MestaMachine (Sarah Palin is the mirror by which evil reflects back upon itself until consumed out of existence)
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To: presidio9
"God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever."

-- Thomas Jefferson


21 posted on 06/22/2011 11:30:46 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Tea Party: 'Give us our country back.' - GOP: 'Give us our power back.' Two very different things..)
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To: Ramius
Eggs ackley ... disenfranchising what is a God given right, the right to personhood is the heart of both evils. And the subPreme court has known it for decades while they enable the wholesale murder of one class of persons and protect others with extended welfare beyond Constitutional parameters.
22 posted on 06/22/2011 11:32:52 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: bert

Oh my! So unPC. How evere do you do it? /s


23 posted on 06/22/2011 11:34:09 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: bert

Oh my! So unPC. How ever do you do it? /s


24 posted on 06/22/2011 11:34:17 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
When folks say “I think abortion is bad, but I can’t impose my will on other people...” I always wonder if they feel that way about slavery.

BTTT! This should be the question thrust LOUDLY and PROUDLY to all the IDIOTS who espouse and spew forth the "...abortion is bad, but..." dribble!
25 posted on 06/22/2011 11:34:48 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Perhaps Tom Jefferson is not the ideal “go-to-guy” for this particular thread?


26 posted on 06/22/2011 11:34:59 AM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Cicero

“Margaret Sanger wanted to exterminate the “lesser races’”

Who knew she was a self hating, suicidal, Liberal?


27 posted on 06/22/2011 11:35:14 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles, Kill the EPA!!!)
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To: Vigilanteman

>>Even that logic falls short; you can’t elect to amputate an otherwise healthy limb, for instance. <<

Actually you CAN:

http://www.newsweek.com/2008/05/28/cutting-desire.html

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2000/12/a-new-way-to-be-mad/4671/


28 posted on 06/22/2011 11:39:10 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: Vigilanteman
Even that logic falls short; you can't elect to amputate an otherwise healthy limb, for instance. You can intentionally maim yourself, but you will spend time in a mental institution (at least) for doing so. It won't be celebrated by the left as a choice.

In a "normal" world you would be correct! However, you are wrong, because in THIS world, you can want to cut off your tally-whacker or have an addadicktome surgery and the left think you are the greatest example of "normal" life on earth!
29 posted on 06/22/2011 11:41:09 AM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: presidio9
The numbers in this are older, it has gone up by about 2 million.


30 posted on 06/22/2011 11:43:55 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee

They’re both “Peculiar Institutions” to say the least.


31 posted on 06/22/2011 11:46:08 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: presidio9; MrB; EternalVigilance
"The issue is about one class of people, those who are born, deciding that another class of people, the unborn, are not fully human, and therefore do not have the same rights as those who are."

Thank you, MrB. Actually, one can define that "class of people" even more precisely by specifying that it is one gender within the "born" class which decides the fate of the unborn souls who are deprived of life and the liberty to enjoy it. Why has there been no outcry from the Left concerning this "gender bias"?

Thanks, too, to EternalVigilance for restating the very foundation of our Constitution's protections for liberty, Thomas Jefferson's capsulization of the founding premise, as contained in the Declaration of Independence:

"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time: the hand of force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them."

Jefferson's final clause outlines the summary judgment of what happens when the unborn are denied their life and liberty.

32 posted on 06/22/2011 11:47:14 AM PDT by loveliberty2
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To: presidio9

“Comparing abortion to slavery certainly raises major concerns,” Hilary Shelton, director of the Washington bureau of the NAACP, told HuffPost in an interview. “Women are not forced to have abortions the way they were in servitude. Slavery was about not having the right to make any decisions.”


That’s silly. Slavery wasn’t mandatory—people could decide for themselves whether they wanted to own slaves. The masters certainly had the right to make decisions.

Oh, wait, she’s talking about the *slaves* themselves? She’s right, they had no rights.

And abortion isn’t mandatiry. Women can decide not to kill their babies.

But the baby has no more rights than the slave did.

That idiot with the NAACP is so obtuse that she can’t even fathom that the equivalent of the slaves in the analogy could possibly be the unborn babies getting slaughtered as opposed to the abortion-procuring women worshipping their god of convenience.

People who believe that abortion should be legal aren’t “pro-choice,” they are “pro-abortion,” period. To claim otherwise is to believe that someone who favored legal slavery wasn’t “pro-slavery,” but merely “pro-choice,” since the master was given the choice of whether or not to enslave another human being.

Oh, and the Constitution’s “Three-Fifths Clause” wasn’t a pro-slavery clause, it was actually an incentive for states to free the slaves, since states would get less congressional representation if they had slavery. Slave states wanted to count slaves as one full person, not 3/5ths of one, so that they could have more representation in Congress, but free states insisted on there being a penalty for slavery.


33 posted on 06/22/2011 11:47:42 AM PDT by AuH2ORepublican (If a politician won't protect innocent babies, what makes you think that he'll protect your rights?)
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To: loveliberty2

Abortion is so sacred to the lefties and feminists because it allows women to, bluntly, “[fornicate] like a man.”


34 posted on 06/22/2011 11:49:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: presidio9

They’re both fundamental offenses against human life. One is just more permanent than the other.


35 posted on 06/22/2011 11:50:19 AM PDT by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: presidio9

Hilary Shelton, director of the Washington bureau of the NAACP, has the heart of a slave master. The masses are kept in line by encouraging them to slaughter their unborn for convenience. This allows unfettered promiscuity for children whose abortions are not reported as caused by rape. Conservative principles would restrict those who prefer to be unfettered by morality.
It is the entire population that is treated as less than human by abortionists and elitists. Any law that encourages the death of another at the hands of an inconvenienced party is a law that promotes sub human behavior. That is the nature and foundation of slavery.


36 posted on 06/22/2011 11:51:07 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This IS my blog site.)
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To: Vigilanteman
Some slave owners even patted themselves on the back for saving lives and introducing primitive people to civilization who surely would have been killed in tribal warfare had they not been sold into slavery.

And there is indeed an element of truth in this. Especially so for the early days of slavery and when it was a local issue.

But the intercontinental slave trades to the New World and the Middle East caused tribal warfare as tribes competed for merchandise and market share. Or, more accurately, their rulers did.

37 posted on 06/22/2011 11:52:57 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: massgopguy; MrB; presidio9; EternalVigilance
As has already been noted on this thread, slavery and abortion are both predicated upon the fallacy that personhood is a status granted by the government rather than a free gift from God.
38 posted on 06/22/2011 11:58:03 AM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: presidio9
"Abortion makes three-fifths human seem overly generous."

Oh my gosh. That is brutal but hopefully effective.

Seriously, black women. Choice begins when you pull down your panties. Do NOT LET eugenicist Margaret Sanger have the last laugh. Your babies are wanted even if you can't keep them. Be more careful no matter WHAT your friends are doing. And let your babies live.

39 posted on 06/22/2011 12:00:22 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: wagglebee

That presumes a belief in God, or in a Creator, and that human kind is special in some way.

The left/communists/atheists/Satan have spent all of creation’s time trying to deny or “disprove” this premise.


40 posted on 06/22/2011 12:04:22 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: presidio9

Actually, there are similarities between a system that considers human beings as property, and another which treats human life as an inconvenience.


41 posted on 06/22/2011 12:07:23 PM PDT by Spok
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To: MrB

But wait: All my liberal friends keep telling me that Mr. Jefferson didn’t really believe in God.


42 posted on 06/22/2011 12:09:32 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Cicero
Slavery and abortion are both based on the theory that some human beings aren’t really human beings, so you can kill or enslave them without feeling bad about it.

I think there's more to it than that. The entire denial of sexuality as a gift to be treasured and revered rather than just something to be serviced is in itself somewhat enslaving. It starts the process of objectification of both male and female and invites the idea that freedom should include the elimination of consequence. And then there is the burden, somewhat taboo to discuss, of post traumatic stress which is also incredibly enslaving. Read the stories of the men and women who are involved with Project Rachel and Rachel's Vineyard sometime.

43 posted on 06/22/2011 12:12:29 PM PDT by Desdemona ( If trusting the men in the clergy was a requirement for Faith, there would be no one in the pews.)
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To: Vigilanteman
Abortion is takes that line of reasoning one step further by equating other human life with bodily tissue-- to be destroyed or kept as the owner sees fit. Even that logic falls short; you can't elect to amputate an otherwise healthy limb, for instance. You can intentionally maim yourself, but you will spend time in a mental institution (at least) for doing so. It won't be celebrated by the left as a choice.

This is a very interesting argument that is new to me!

Pro-abortion is all about "choice" and "it's my body." Well, it's absolutely true that it's NOT only your body to destroy as you wish. Also, it would be very hard to KEEP a body part if the doctor decided you would die if you did. JimRob's leg, many women's breasts. One's body is not wholly one's own, and certainly the only reason people like Scott Peterson are on Death Row today is because their murder contained TWO PEOPLE including an unborn baby.

44 posted on 06/22/2011 12:13:32 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: presidio9

Very interesting thread. Thanks for posting.


45 posted on 06/22/2011 12:19:08 PM PDT by onedoug (If)
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To: presidio9

Jefferson believed in the Divine Creator,
but that’s about as far as I’d go.
He was hostile to the Gospel, however.


46 posted on 06/22/2011 12:19:45 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ExTxMarine; nina0113
I was well aware of the sex-change exceptions to my contention since sexual deviants are a protected class of the liberals. Normal rules do not apply to them because they are so special.

I was not, however, aware of the want to be amputated cult as pointed out in nina0113's posts.

Wow! A real eye opener that we've sunk as a society to this level of depravity. But I suppose it is the natural outgrowth of abortion on demand.

Just as polygamy, polyandry, threesomes, marriages between close relatives and even marriages with animals will be the natural outgrown of gay marriage.

47 posted on 06/22/2011 12:31:32 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: MrB
Actually Jefferson accepted the philosophy and teachings Jesus Christ. He had trouble with questions of His divinity. That being said, he spent a great deal of his life investigating theology on his own as well as part of his formal education. This is quite different from the liberals today who reject God out of laziness that the confuse with intellectual superiority. Jefferson was to smart and privileged for his own good. I consider him the original limousine liberal.
48 posted on 06/22/2011 12:33:40 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: AuH2ORepublican
That idiot with the NAACP is so obtuse that she can’t even fathom that the equivalent of the slaves in the analogy could possibly be the unborn babies getting slaughtered as opposed to the abortion-procuring women worshipping their god of convenience.

*************************************

Well said.

49 posted on 06/22/2011 12:36:07 PM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: Vigilanteman; ExTxMarine; nina0113

-Lest we forget the brave brave EllenJamesians...

50 posted on 06/22/2011 12:37:17 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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