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Texas: A state without conscience
Metro NY ^ | June, 22, 2011 | Tony Metcalf, Editor

Posted on 06/22/2011 1:07:19 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

So, the United States is One Nation, as the Pledge of Allegiance has it?

I sometimes wonder how that can possibly be so.

Yesterday, lawmakers here in New York were on the verge of making gay marriage legal.

Although the issue is controversial, it's a sign that the state is civilized and considerate, understanding that people should be allowed to love each other whatever their sexual orientation.

At the same time the state of Texas executed a mentally handicapped man by lethal injection.

How can one country produce such wildly differing moral landscapes?

How can one state prepare to take a massive step into the 21st century, while not 1,000 miles away another part of the same country travels back in time to the dark ages?

To be fair, the executed man, Milton Mathis, is not exactly the sort you'd want your daughter bringing home. He shot dead two people in a Houston crack house, and left a 15-year-old girl paralyzed.

But he had an IQ of 62. Psychologists routinely regard any adult with an IQ under 70 as being mentally handicapped. Mathis could not perform some of the most basic functions, such as dressing himself.

It was like executing a five year old child, and his death is an indelible stain on the state of Texas.

To those who say Mathis was smart enough to pull the trigger, there is a reason that there is an age of criminal responsibility. Elsewhere, children and those are children in an adult's body, are deemed to be unaware of the consequences of their actions and therefore not liable to the criminal law.

Mathis should have been detained for a very long time in a secure mental hospital, and he should have received treatment or therapy for his disability before, if and when it was deemed fit and proper, he was released into the community.

That would have been the civilized thing to do.

Instead, Governor Rick Perry, who vetoed state legislation ten years ago that would have outlawed executing the mentally disabled, gave the go ahead for the monsters to ram home the plunger on Tuesday night.

Perry, incidentally, is many people's tip as GOP candidate for the presidency in 2012.

If you live in one a state such as New York or Massachussetts, where they outlaw the death penalty, or in New Jersey where it has not been used since 1976, or even in Pennsylvania, which has resorted to it only three times since 1976, and if you are tempted to back Perry for President, remember Milton Mathis.

And just consider what electing Rick Perry's brand of medieval populism would say about the United States.


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KEYWORDS: deathpenalty; murder; rickperry; texas
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The Impending Execution of Milton Mathis

Milton Mathis executed for Houston double slaying -- HUNTSVILLE, Texas (AP) — Condemned Texas inmate Milton Mathis has been put to death for a double slaying more than 12 years ago in Houston.

The execution is the sixth this year in Huntsville. It was carried out Tuesday evening after the U.S. Supreme Court rejected arguments the 32-year-old Mathis was mentally impaired and ineligible for the death penalty....."

1 posted on 06/22/2011 1:07:21 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I do have to admit I sometimes wonder how NY and TX can be of the same country too....

My solution would be for TX to secede. We’ll be fine and NY can drill their own oil and natural gas. Have fun with all that funny money you guys love to print NY.

Oh, and you can have all of our murdering simpletons too NY, since you love them so.


2 posted on 06/22/2011 1:11:38 PM PDT by SpringtoLiberty (Liberty is on the march!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Although the issue is controversial, it's a sign that the state is civilized and considerate

Ummm, no it's not.

Instead, Governor Rick Perry, who vetoed state legislation ten years ago that would have outlawed executing the mentally disabled, gave the go ahead for the monsters to ram home the plunger

Monsters? Where's Tony's compassion for the VICTIM of the murder?

3 posted on 06/22/2011 1:11:37 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Criminals know that we have the death penalty in Texas. And we USE it.

That’s just one more person who won’t be killing an innocent person in the future.

God bless Texas!!


4 posted on 06/22/2011 1:12:58 PM PDT by Tin Man Tex
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Cry me a river — mentally challenged is no reason to get away with murder. Texas is the “civilized” state.


5 posted on 06/22/2011 1:13:23 PM PDT by Socon-Econ (Socon-Econ)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Seems to me that Tony Metcalfe needs a penile transplant.


6 posted on 06/22/2011 1:13:48 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

So this so called mentally handicapped person couldn’t dress himself but knew how to use a gun? I find that hard to believe!


7 posted on 06/22/2011 1:14:04 PM PDT by rocksblues (Obama, the biggest liar in the history of American politics!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That would have been the civilized thing to do.

Tony worries about Texas while ignoring the “civility” of his homosexual pals running around in promisicuous clubs and bathhouses or “tiring of condom fatigue” or bisexuals transmitting HIV to their wives or gfs.

But their “sexual orientation” is not important, why, they LOVE each other. Next Tony will be advocating multiple partnermarriages, man-child relationships, mad-dog relationships . .after all they LOVE each other.


8 posted on 06/22/2011 1:14:29 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (EX Congressman Anthony Weiner: "Celebrate 'Perversity'")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Sorry to say, even the mentally challenged have to adhere to the law!
So if you kill in cold blood - no matter what your mental capacity is, you are a killer.
If you’re drunk and you kill, you’re a killer
If you’re high and you kill, you’re a killer
If you’re insane and kill, you’re a killer
If you were abused and you kill, you’re a killer.

I’m not having an issue with this execution.


9 posted on 06/22/2011 1:14:42 PM PDT by nagdt ("None of my EX's live in Texas")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Didn’t Clinton rush back to Arkansas once to execute a mentally disabled man?

Rickey Ray Rector


10 posted on 06/22/2011 1:14:54 PM PDT by MarkeyD (Obama is a victim of Affirmative Action)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Although the issue is controversial, it's a sign that the state is civilized and considerate, understanding that people should be allowed to love each other whatever their sexual orientation.

No one is stopping anyone from "luvin" anyone.

11 posted on 06/22/2011 1:14:59 PM PDT by frogjerk (Liberalism: The ideology of envy.)
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To: Tin Man Tex

I always liked how Ron White put it:

“Everywhere else, they’re closing down their execution chambers. In Texas, we’re installing an express line.”

and

“You kill somebody in Texas, we’ll kill you right back.”


12 posted on 06/22/2011 1:15:22 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Personally, I'm not sure a state should have a conscience.

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.

-CS Lewis.
13 posted on 06/22/2011 1:16:22 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Tin Man Tex
Criminals know that we have the death penalty in Texas. And we USE it.

Heck, I heard we were putting in an express lane. ;)

/johnny

14 posted on 06/22/2011 1:16:27 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Here’s why, dimbulb Tony Metcalf - state’s and government’s don’t have consciences and cannot be compassionate.

Only individuals do and can.

A reality that once admitted destroys the delusions of the left.


15 posted on 06/22/2011 1:16:32 PM PDT by dk88 (Keep your laws off my body)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

This perfectly exemplifies the degree of the KulturKampf being waged in America between the far left social radicals and traditional American values.

There are good arguments against the death penalty. This isn’t one of them. And recognizing a biological abberration as normal is hardly practicing moral values.


16 posted on 06/22/2011 1:16:48 PM PDT by ZULU (Lindsey Graham is a nanometrical pustule of pusillanimous putrescence)
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To: VRWCmember

>>Seems to me that Tony Metcalfe needs a penile transplant.<<

You mean penile IMPLANT...


17 posted on 06/22/2011 1:17:24 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

One more very good reason to support Perry.


18 posted on 06/22/2011 1:17:48 PM PDT by libstripper
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To: BelegStrongbow

Now, why would someone want to get a high IQ score if 1st prize is death?


19 posted on 06/22/2011 1:18:24 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The writer could have at least tried to spell Massachusetts correctly.


20 posted on 06/22/2011 1:18:55 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
To quote the bumper sticker,"WE DON'T CARE HOW YOU DO IT UP NORTH."

New York has turned out to be the biggest damned waste of 24 bucks I can imagine!

21 posted on 06/22/2011 1:19:09 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: rocksblues

Yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing. The author thought that would just slip by us....


22 posted on 06/22/2011 1:19:18 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic.com. Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: Ton' M.

"So, the United States is One Nation, as the Pledge of Allegiance has it"

No, the US is one nation as reality has it. A=A and all. The pledge declares the US to be one nation under God.


23 posted on 06/22/2011 1:20:17 PM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace misanthropy)
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To: massgopguy

No idea. But then again, high IQ types might be thought to have at least considered the consequences of murder.

For myself, I beleeeeeeeve....

...I’ll have another scotch. Oh look, here’s one in my hand already.


24 posted on 06/22/2011 1:20:32 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: Socon-Econ

.....Mathis, 32, was condemned for a shooting spree that killed Travis Brown III, 24, and Daniel Hibbard, 31, less than two weeks before Christmas in 1998. A 15-year-old girl, Melony Almaguer, also was shot and left paralyzed.

Almaguer, seated in a wheelchair and accompanied by her husband, was among a small group of people who watched Mathis die from behind a window at the Huntsville Unit of the Texas Department of Criminal Justice.

“I never meant to hurt you,” Mathis, strapped to a gurney with tubing taped to his arms, told Almaguer. “You were just at the wrong place at the wrong time.”....

Read more: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/tx/7621011.html#ixzz1Q2NDKJlS


25 posted on 06/22/2011 1:20:34 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: rocksblues

Was he naked when he killed everybody?


26 posted on 06/22/2011 1:20:38 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’m still trying to make the connection between gay marriage and standards for executions. Seriously, why the apples and oranges nonsense? Promoting the gay agenda isn’t enlightenment. It is a prelude to every kind of sexual perversion. It has nothing to do with the death penalty policies in Texas, unless Texas is executing homosexuals.


27 posted on 06/22/2011 1:21:09 PM PDT by pallis
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To: freedumb2003
You mean penile IMPLANT...

Maybe you're right.

28 posted on 06/22/2011 1:21:53 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
At the same time the state of Texas executed a mentally handicapped man by lethal injection.

Well, even a liberal can commit a capital crime.

29 posted on 06/22/2011 1:22:00 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Perfectly simple. Perfectly civilized. Perfectly humane.

RIGHTS = RESPONSIBLITY

To have rights, you must be responsible. If you have no responsibility, you have no rights. If the writer wants to say that people with IQs under 70 have no right to be loose on the streets, then I agree they have no responsibility. If on the other hand they have the RIGHT to be loose on the streets, then they have the RESPONSIBLITY for their actions.

And I don't think a liberal idiot like this wants to consider the thought that if people with an IQ under 70 can't be held accountable for their actions, they probably should not be allowed to vote. Woopsie - there goes 40% of the Democrat voting block!

30 posted on 06/22/2011 1:22:19 PM PDT by I cannot think of a name
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

If it were up to me, executions would be hangings from the goal posts at half time of the Texas/OU football game. How’s that for medieval populism?


31 posted on 06/22/2011 1:22:52 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

New York: A state with brains or balls.


32 posted on 06/22/2011 1:23:07 PM PDT by VRWCmember
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To: SpringtoLiberty
My solution would be for TX to secede.

Please take Georgia with you!

33 posted on 06/22/2011 1:23:29 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I don’t care how stupid the perp is (was), fry him. We put down dangerous animals don’t we? He’s a dangerous animal.


34 posted on 06/22/2011 1:24:59 PM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
If you live in one a state such as New York or Massachussetts, where they outlaw the death penalty, or in New Jersey where it has not been used since 1976, or even in Pennsylvania, which has resorted to it only three times since 1976, and if you are tempted to back Perry for President, remember Milton Mathis.

Yes, indeed: Remember that in Texas (and Virginia) murderers don't get a chance to repeat their crimes.

35 posted on 06/22/2011 1:25:30 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The article writer is as wrong as a football bat.

By his estimation, legitimizing homosexual marriage makes NY civilization superior to TX civilization where murder has consequences. Absolutely flies in the face of the rules of human civilization since time immemorial.


36 posted on 06/22/2011 1:26:56 PM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: SpringtoLiberty

This is why our country was intended to be made up of a union of sovereign states with a federal government handling dealings with external entities and with genuine disputes between states ONLY.

Don’t like two Ken dolls on a wedding cake? Move out of Ny and into Tx.
Don’t want to execute murderers? Leave Texas, NY welcomes you.

But no! Leftists MUST have everyone conform to THEIR worldview, and will use force to keep you from escaping.


37 posted on 06/22/2011 1:27:06 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
"Mathis should have been detained for a very long time in a secure mental hospital, and he should have received treatment or therapy for his disability before, if and when it was deemed fit and proper, he was released into the community."

I would love to see Tony put his money where his mouth is. The next state that gets a multiple murderer released out of the system after only spending time in a mental institution until some doctor deems him fit to be free, Tony should rent him one of his rooms.

These people are all about abstracts and grandiose ideas, but when its their *sses on the line their story changes faster than you can blink.

38 posted on 06/22/2011 1:27:21 PM PDT by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: pallis
I’m still trying to make the connection between gay marriage and standards for executions.

For militant faggots, anything and everything is an opportunity and an excuse to promote faggotry.

There doesn't have to be any meaningful connection.

39 posted on 06/22/2011 1:27:21 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ConservaTexan
If it were up to me, executions would be hangings from the goal posts at half time of the Texas/OU football game. How’s that for medieval populism?

Sounds reasonable to me! Can we get a petition together or something?!?!
40 posted on 06/22/2011 1:27:27 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Typical murderer - blaming his victims to his last breath.


41 posted on 06/22/2011 1:27:27 PM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
How can one state prepare to take a massive step into the 21st century, while not 1,000 miles away another part of the same country travels back in time to the dark ages?

So where did all the angst about "pushing your values on others" go?

42 posted on 06/22/2011 1:27:36 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I respectfully submit that Texas is a state with conscience and compassion for the victims of crime instead of the criminals.
I, for one, am sick and tired of hearing how 'society failed' the 'criminals' when, in fact, it is just the opposite. It is the 'criminal' who failed society.
It is the responsibility of each individual to adjust to the norms of acceptable civilized behavior not the other way around.
Go Texas!
43 posted on 06/22/2011 1:28:18 PM PDT by Bockscar (Thanks to the Freeper dogcaller for this tag line: --Muslims do not immigrate; they colonize--)
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To: frogjerk

Yeah, if they want to get down to brass tacks...
What is so special about one man’s desire to stick his p*n*s in another man’s *n*s?


44 posted on 06/22/2011 1:28:33 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What's that New York? Speak up, I can barely hear you ...

WASHINGTON — New York will lose 2 of its 29 seats in the House, while New Jersey will lose 1 of its 13 seats, both as a result of population shifts recorded in this year’s census.

The losses will leave New York with the smallest Congressional delegation it has had in 200 years.

The largest gainer is Texas, which has been gaining seats in the House of Representatives since 1950, and this time, with 4 seats, it gained the most from one Census in over 100 years.

45 posted on 06/22/2011 1:28:57 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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To: Mears

Isn’t it spelled “MassAssachusetts”?


46 posted on 06/22/2011 1:29:21 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Although the issue is controversial, it's a sign that the state is civilized and considerate, understanding that people should be allowed to love each other whatever their sexual orientation.

I stopped having a problem with so-called "gay marriage" here in NY when I realized that all non-religious weddings are actually just "civil unions" and nothing more.

That being said, how, exactly does the legal status of so-called "gay marriage" who or what a person chooses to love. That most recent episode of "Taboo" on National Geographic featured a guy who makes love to his VW bug. Last I heard, the FBI was not (repeat, NOT) on his case.

47 posted on 06/22/2011 1:29:31 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: ZULU
Article: How can one country produce such wildly differing moral landscapes? How can one state prepare to take a massive step into the 21st century, while not 1,000 miles away another part of the same country travels back in time to the dark ages?

*******

"......States have been called laboratories in democracy precisely because every problem potentially has fifty different approaches to solving it. Some solutions work in some states and not in others. Some states prefer some solutions over others. Some solutions may work in every state, and some just don't work at all. But the best way to find the best solutions is to allow the states to discover what works best for them, without the federal government interfering....... Newt Gingrich: Rick Perry's book "almost came too late" [Foreward to "Fed Up!"]

48 posted on 06/22/2011 1:29:56 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

How is allowing butt bandits to get married taking us into the 21st. Century. God Forbid.

As for this murdering sack of dog crap, I don’t care if his IQ is 27, if he is bright enouth to kill he is bright enough to die for it. AMF Milton , may the devil have fun frying you.


49 posted on 06/22/2011 1:30:28 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: BelegStrongbow
“You kill somebody in Texas, we’ll kill you right back.”


50 posted on 06/22/2011 1:32:52 PM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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