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Reps. Frank and Paul: Let states legalize pot
Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | June 22, 2011 | Joel Connelly

Posted on 06/22/2011 1:23:14 PM PDT by Second Amendment First

A bipartisan team of Reps. Barney Frank, D-Mass., and Ron Paul, R-Texas, will introduce federal legislation that would permit states to legalize, regulate, tax and control marijuana without federal interference.

The legislation will be unveiled Thursday by Frank, an outspoken liberal Democrat, and the libertarian Paul, who is running for the 2012 Republican presidential nomination.

The bill would limit the U.S. government role in marijuana enforcement to interdiction of cross-border or inter-state smuggling. Citizens would be able to legally grow, use or sell cannabis in states which have legalized the forbidden weed.

The legislation is the first bill to be introduced in Congress that would end federal marijuana prohibition.

In a preview of the legislation, the Marijuana Policy Project noted that last week marked the 40th Anniversary of when President Nixon declared that the federal government was at war with marijuana and other drugs.

Nixon had rejected recommendations by a presidential panel that the country move toward decriminalization and an education and treatment-based drug policy.

(Excerpt) Read more at blog.seattlepi.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 10a; 10thamendment; barneyfrank; bongbrigade; corruption; gethigh; liberalism; libertarian; libertarianism; moralabsolutes; prodope; psychosis; ronpaul; slavery; surrender; wod
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Probably the only thing on which I would agree with Barney Frank.

It's long past time to end the war on drugs. Over a trillion dollars spent on it and what have we gained: militarized police forces, no knock warrants, drug gangs and cartels, corruption of law enforcement, mothers arrested for buying too much cold medicine, citizens and their dogs shot, patients in pain because of doctor intimidation. And the drugs are more readily available than ever.

If people want to harm themselves the government cannot and should not interfere. It's called freedom.

1 posted on 06/22/2011 1:23:20 PM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

Least of our worries. Big red herring. Early for red herring season. One has to wonder why.


2 posted on 06/22/2011 1:24:49 PM PDT by Psalm 144 (We are not governed. We are occupied.)
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To: Second Amendment First
Then the states can tax it like cigarettes, a windfall.
3 posted on 06/22/2011 1:25:55 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: Second Amendment First

I can’t see this ever being approved by our crowned heads of state.


4 posted on 06/22/2011 1:27:55 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: boomop1
Then the states can tax it like cigarettes, a windfall.

So give politicians more cash? Why does it even have to be taxed?

5 posted on 06/22/2011 1:27:57 PM PDT by frogjerk (Liberalism: The ideology of envy.)
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To: Second Amendment First
Oh Noes! This is a direct threat to all the Nanny Statists.

Cannot allow people to make decisions for themselves! Cant have that.

6 posted on 06/22/2011 1:28:11 PM PDT by corkoman (Steadfast and Loyal)
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To: Second Amendment First
Who cares about smoking it... Will it be legal to grow for fiber and biomass? Lots more money there.

/johnny

7 posted on 06/22/2011 1:28:25 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Second Amendment First

As a bonus, if Obama opposes this - which he probably will - he pisses off a good chunk of his base.


8 posted on 06/22/2011 1:28:57 PM PDT by I Shall Endure
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To: Psalm 144

I agree 144! While I’m on the fence on the premise, this would re-energize Obama’s base in ways we can’t consider right now. This should be stopped for the charade it is: getting Obama back in the WH.


9 posted on 06/22/2011 1:28:59 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Second Amendment First

One of the biggest problems we have is dope-heads who vote. Guess who they vote for.

I say, issue a federal “pot permit”. If you have the pot permit, you can keep your pot. But you cannot vote in any election.

Voting is something that pot-heads should not be allowed to do. No more stoner-vote. It has done enough damage already.


10 posted on 06/22/2011 1:29:24 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: Second Amendment First
Bawney Fwank is a Libertarian?
 
 
 
Makes Sense!


11 posted on 06/22/2011 1:29:55 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I'm a Birther - And a Deather)
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To: Second Amendment First
Let the states? Why would the states need permission from the Feds to institute laws on an issue that the Feds have no authority to make laws about in the first place?

So much for Ron Paul's Federalist views of the Constitution. He's showing himself a fraud on that with this move.

12 posted on 06/22/2011 1:30:00 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: boomop1
Then the states can tax it like cigarettes, a windfall.

I have a better idea. What if states learn self-control and spend less. That would be the ULTIMATE windfall.

13 posted on 06/22/2011 1:30:16 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: Second Amendment First

While they are at it, free all the non-violent prisoners who haven’t committed any crimes other than their personal drug use, especially if the drug was Marijuana.


14 posted on 06/22/2011 1:31:02 PM PDT by pallis
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To: Second Amendment First

The States shouldn’t need the federal government’s permission to do this. They never granted the federal government the authority to control it in the first place.


15 posted on 06/22/2011 1:31:10 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: advance_copy

Should alcoholics be prohibited from voting?


16 posted on 06/22/2011 1:31:26 PM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

 
RON: Wanna smoke some dope?
 
BAWNEY: And then we fool awound?


17 posted on 06/22/2011 1:32:55 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I'm a Birther - And a Deather)
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To: boomop1
Then the states can tax it like cigarettes, a windfall.

Hellava lot safer than alcohol.

18 posted on 06/22/2011 1:33:46 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Second Amendment First

I used to think that legalizing drugs was a no brainer - just as you stated that the war on drugs has been a dismal FAILURE! I mean, it has only been “slightly” less effective than the original prohibition amendment! /sarc

However, when Barney Frank thinks it is a good idea, I have to seriously consider that I am mistaken in my thought process. Maybe this is Frank’s “a stopped watch is correct twice a day” moment!


19 posted on 06/22/2011 1:34:04 PM PDT by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: Second Amendment First

I’m all for letting the states do as they wish but I don’t buy the utopian view of the results of marijuana legalization. Others will be harmed and there will be a whole boatload of new laws to follow.


20 posted on 06/22/2011 1:34:18 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Second Amendment First
A bipartisan team of Reps. Barney Frank, D-Mass., and Ron Paul, R-Texas, will introduce federal legislation that would permit states to legalize, regulate, tax and control marijuana without federal interference.

They smell the money. If the states legalize it, the quality will go in the toilet, there will be a three-month waiting period for a fifteen-dollar joint, and the jails will suddenly have a whole lot of extra cots.
21 posted on 06/22/2011 1:35:06 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: tacticalogic

To prohibit alcohol they had to pass a constitutional amendment, which was subsequently repealed. I don’t see any constitutional prohibitions on any other drugs.


22 posted on 06/22/2011 1:35:08 PM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: Second Amendment First
Where to begin?

1.You want to add 20 million or so to the Soc Sec disability rolls?

2. You want to see your auto insurance premiums double/triple?

I can go on, and on..

Remember, 99.9% of addicts today started with MJ....

23 posted on 06/22/2011 1:36:05 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: Second Amendment First

Birds of a feather.


24 posted on 06/22/2011 1:36:33 PM PDT by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: cripplecreek

It’s already basically legal in many states. OR, CO, CA and NM. It sure reduced the numbers of illegal aliens around here.


25 posted on 06/22/2011 1:36:46 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Second Amendment First

Nope, just stoners.


26 posted on 06/22/2011 1:38:07 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: Second Amendment First

Waste of time. Three-quarters of the country is still pro prohibition. It’s going nowhere in the House and the sponsors know it.

Total red herring.


27 posted on 06/22/2011 1:38:25 PM PDT by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (Some men just want to watch the world burn.)
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To: Second Amendment First
Probably the only thing on which I would agree with Barney Frank.
 
 
You really should be ashamed. First you libs take on the moon-bat buffoonery of Ron Paul as your feckless leader.
 
Now you jump on board the Barney Frank bandwagon? Hope you dont catch some nasty disease.
 
What's next? Would you endorse Weiner if he were to also support legal dope smoking?

When you consider the fact that NO TRUE CONSERVATIVE supports this pro-dope BS, then do you start to wonder if there if something WRONG with you?

28 posted on 06/22/2011 1:38:57 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I'm a Birther - And a Deather)
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To: boomop1
Then the states can tax it like cigarettes, a windfall.

If people could create Scotch, a Samuel Adams or Marlboro cigarettes, as easily as you can grow a weed at home, do you think people would be paying the taxes on those items?

You can grow your own pot just once every few years and have an unlimited supply of it in the garage, refinement, complicated, delicate, elaborate drying and other processes under controlled conditions is not necessary.

29 posted on 06/22/2011 1:38:57 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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Remember, 99.9% of addicts today started with MJ....

100% of them drank milk as kids. (as long as we're indulging in logical fallacies)

30 posted on 06/22/2011 1:39:02 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Second Amendment First
It's long past time to end the war on drugs.

Yep. It's sad how long this nonsense war has been run, with who knows how many agencies rofiting from it. Even more sad is how many "conservatives" turn into authoritarians when the big bad drug issue comes up.
31 posted on 06/22/2011 1:39:56 PM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country.----------In the same way Rush is balance, I am consensus.)
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To: advance_copy

I voted for McCain. So you may have a point.


32 posted on 06/22/2011 1:40:00 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: ken5050
Remember, 99.9% of addicts today started with MJ....

As well as folks who make up statistics.

Bunch of loser dopers, the lot. Making up statistics like that.

33 posted on 06/22/2011 1:40:16 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Second Amendment First

And while they are at it, they should kick all non-violent potheads out of prison.


34 posted on 06/22/2011 1:40:56 PM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Second Amendment First
To prohibit alcohol they had to pass a constitutional amendment, which was subsequently repealed. I don’t see any constitutional prohibitions on any other drugs.

There's nothing in there about CO2 emissions, light bulbs, assault weapons, or "hate crimes" either. They're all fraudulent powers made up out of thin air and ephemeral "findings" of "substantial effects on interstate commerce".

35 posted on 06/22/2011 1:41:16 PM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: Second Amendment First

Grow my own weed. Grow my own tobacco. Distill my own spirits. All without interfernce or taxation from the government.
Even I can agree with him and I don’t smoke or drink.
Amen Brother Paul, Amen . . .


36 posted on 06/22/2011 1:41:33 PM PDT by Macoozie (Go Sarah! Palin/Bolton 2012)
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To: cripplecreek

I certainly don’t expect utopia. Let the states regulate the same as they do with alcohol. I don’t follow what others will be harmed, unless you mean the gang dealers who will lose their income. It will knock a big chunk out of the underground economy, save tax dollars and hopefully rid LEO agencies of one source of corruption.


37 posted on 06/22/2011 1:41:56 PM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: frogjerk

For the Childrun you know.


38 posted on 06/22/2011 1:42:25 PM PDT by boomop1
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To: Responsibility2nd

 
 
 
RON: Hey Barn. Let's sneak off and fire up a fat one.


39 posted on 06/22/2011 1:43:33 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I'm a Birther - And a Deather)
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To: I Shall Endure

Go Ron. The only candidate who will make a dimes worth of difference. Legalize it. When will all the Dupes figure it out? They think he is only right of a few policies. Duhhh.


40 posted on 06/22/2011 1:43:54 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: pallis
While they are at it, free all the non-violent prisoners who haven’t committed any crimes other than their personal drug use, especially if the drug was Marijuana.

all 12 of them
41 posted on 06/22/2011 1:44:37 PM PDT by jjw
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To: Second Amendment First

I always said I’d be happy to allow pot to be legalized...

...the day after health care financing is 100% privatized with Medicare and Medicaid completely ended.


42 posted on 06/22/2011 1:46:46 PM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Wow, you’re all over the place with accusations. I suppose William F. Buckley wasn’t a real conservative either.


43 posted on 06/22/2011 1:46:52 PM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: TigersEye

Beat me to it Tiger.


44 posted on 06/22/2011 1:47:37 PM PDT by Second Amendment First ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not..." - Thomas Jefferson.)
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To: ken5050

Also, making cannabis a part of our culture would in time lead us to become more like the cannabis based region of the world.

Most of us do not like the effect that thousands of years of using cannabis has had on those stoner like peoples.


45 posted on 06/22/2011 1:48:16 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: Second Amendment First

Actually I think decriminalization is a bit better route to take. Obviously impaired driving laws will still apply but a guy caught smoking a joint in public will only pay a small fine.

Total legalization for use on private property.


46 posted on 06/22/2011 1:48:23 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: TigersEye
Do you want to have a serious discussion?

The libertarian side of me understands the argument. Indeed, I remember long ago being shocked when Bill Buckley first called for drugs to be legalized. I carefully read his arguments.

In the end, my problem is that you can't answer the qustion of who will be responsible, bear the costs of legalizing drugs. Ir do you think that we can OK MJ, but still ban the other stuff..have you seen what crack has done to entire cities? And yes, despite your sttempt at humor...the overwhelming majority of kids first got exposed to drugs via MJ use..

47 posted on 06/22/2011 1:48:45 PM PDT by ken5050 (Save the Earth..It's the only planet with chocolate!!!)
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To: frogjerk
Amazing isn't it? S'posed to be small govt. types here. Yet, for more than a few, the moment they hear there is money somewhere they want to steal it for the pols. Sick.

48 posted on 06/22/2011 1:49:17 PM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace misanthropy)
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To: Second Amendment First

I’d have to be stoned out of my gourd to vote for either one of them.


49 posted on 06/22/2011 1:51:58 PM PDT by dblshot
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To: TigersEye

I voted for Palin.


50 posted on 06/22/2011 1:52:39 PM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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