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Editorial: Was Fast And Furious A Gun-Control Plot?
IBD Editorials ^ | June 22, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 06/22/2011 6:09:24 PM PDT by Kaslin

Scandal: Rather than a botched attempt to catch criminals, was the ATF program actually an attempt to advance gun-control efforts by an administration that has blamed Mexican violence on easy access to U.S. weapons?

If "Operation Fast and Furious" was merely a botched attempt at law enforcement, why was a supervisor of the operation, David Voth, "jovial, if not, not giddy but just delighted about" marked guns showing up at crime scenes in Mexico, as career Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives agent John Dodson told Rep. Darrell Issa's House Oversight Committee?

Perhaps because all was going as planned until it was learned that two of the AK-47s recovered at the scene of the fatal shooting of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry in December were bought in ATF's Operation Fast and Furious. That wasn't supposed to happen.

"Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals — this was the plan," Dodson testified to the panel. "It was so mandated."

ATF agent Olindo James Casa said that "on several occasions I personally requested to interdict or seize firearms, but I was always ordered to stand down and not to seize the firearms."

Yet, as we've noted, gun-tracking operations stopped at the border. That seems odd if the purpose was to catch gun traffickers and their drug-lord bosses. It makes sense, however, if the real purpose was to perpetuate, in the interests of pursuing the administration's gun-control agenda, what Bob Owens of Pajamas Media calls the "90% lie."

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1 posted on 06/22/2011 6:09:28 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Yes. Next question.


2 posted on 06/22/2011 6:11:27 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: Kaslin

Yes. And illegal immigration, to boot.


3 posted on 06/22/2011 6:11:37 PM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: Kaslin

Of course it was!!!! These people at the BATF and E are EVIL!!!


4 posted on 06/22/2011 6:11:57 PM PDT by Jerrybob
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To: Kaslin

Sounds like we may have a good comeback when the liberals spew about Iran-Contra.

The scenario has now been posed. It will be interesting to see if it has any legs.


5 posted on 06/22/2011 6:12:27 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Kaslin

Mabye this is what Obama meant when he said that gun control was being promoted “under the radar.”


6 posted on 06/22/2011 6:12:54 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: Kaslin

Calderon is collaborating with the American antigunners, this is all a planned and scripted production.

Gun Trafficking to Mexico: Already Against the Law

http://www.nraila.org/Issues/FactSheets/Read.aspx?id=257&issue=015

GAO Reports On Arms Trafficking In Mexico

http://www.nraila.org/Legislation/Federal/Read.aspx?id=4991


7 posted on 06/22/2011 6:12:58 PM PDT by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Kaslin
We forget that from 1994 to 2002 President Obama was a director of the Joyce Foundation, a progressive organization dedicated to "social justice" and eroding Second Amendment rights.
8 posted on 06/22/2011 6:13:13 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: Kaslin

Yes it was going back to Obama speech wehre he said that the majority of guns in Mexico were from the USA whcih was a lie...he had to make it true so viola gun runner


9 posted on 06/22/2011 6:15:43 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Kaslin

The Stone Wall is cracking.

Next comes ‘le Deluge’

;-)


10 posted on 06/22/2011 6:15:51 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles, Kill the EPA!!!)
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To: Kaslin

yes it is. a huge plot by this WH. I am sure they have many more plots we just do not know about ...yet. Not sure if we will ever recover from this commie anti American bunch.???


11 posted on 06/22/2011 6:15:51 PM PDT by ColdOne (I miss my poochie... Tasha 2000~3/14/11)
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To: Kaslin

Yes it was going back to Obama speech where he said that the majority of guns in Mexico were from the USA which was a lie...he had to make it true so viola gun runner


12 posted on 06/22/2011 6:16:08 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Kaslin

To believe otherwise would call for a willing suspension of disbelief!


13 posted on 06/22/2011 6:19:02 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Osama and Obama both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.)
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To: Kaslin

I 12th the “YES!”.


14 posted on 06/22/2011 6:20:43 PM PDT by TaMoDee (GO PACK GO to Super Bowl XLVI)
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To: Husker24

Exactly right.


15 posted on 06/22/2011 6:20:50 PM PDT by yarddog
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To: Kaslin
Yes, and, opportunistically, an attack on the state of Arizona.

16 posted on 06/22/2011 6:20:54 PM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace misanthropy)
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To: Kaslin

Yes and I’m certain of it. I’m also certain the Holder was in the loop and I can’t believe that Holder would do this without Obama’s quiet approval.


17 posted on 06/22/2011 6:23:21 PM PDT by Gator113 ("GAME ON." I'll be voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: Gator113

Tyrants cannot implement their brutal “solutions” when their enemies are still armed.


18 posted on 06/22/2011 6:28:13 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Osama and Obama both have friends that bombed the Pentagon.)
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To: Kaslin
Rather than a botched attempt to catch criminals, was the ATF program actually an attempt to advance gun-control efforts by an administration that has blamed Mexican violence on easy access to U.S. weapons?

If you know the type of people the dims are then you know the answer to this question is yes. Democrat, the party of miscreants.

19 posted on 06/22/2011 6:40:43 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Much more likely than being a "botched" anything it was a quite successful way to ship highpowered weapons from the US to favored Narcotrafficantes just over the border.

It's "the Chicago Way" to reward friends WHO PAY!

20 posted on 06/22/2011 6:44:54 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Nachum; markomalley; Clairity; Carlucci; grey_whiskers; meyer; WL-law; Para-Ord.45; ...

Gun control ping!


21 posted on 06/22/2011 6:50:23 PM PDT by raptor22 (Join me on Twitter @gerfingerpoken)
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To: Kaslin; B4Ranch; Squantos
Editorial: Was Fast And Furious A Gun-Control Plot?

Um, yes.

22 posted on 06/22/2011 6:53:45 PM PDT by glock rocks (Crouch as low as possible to the floor and cover your head with your hands.)
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To: Kaslin

How has Obama managed to elude impeachment or anyone blowing the whistle on him yet/defies logic.


23 posted on 06/22/2011 6:57:18 PM PDT by DefeatCorruption
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To: Kaslin

No Doubt in my mind! This WH is filled with thugs and criminals.


24 posted on 06/22/2011 7:04:15 PM PDT by marygam ((Obama is not a messiah, wake up folks!))
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To: Kaslin

Absolutely.


25 posted on 06/22/2011 7:07:53 PM PDT by WVNight (We havn't played Cowboys and Muslims yet....)
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To: Kaslin
...the ATF program actually an attempt to advance gun-control efforts by an administration that has blamed Mexican violence on easy access to U.S. weapons...

Works better without the question mark.

26 posted on 06/22/2011 7:08:02 PM PDT by GOPJ (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. - - Orwell)
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To: Kaslin
This goes all the way up to King Obama. He is a communists traitor.
27 posted on 06/22/2011 7:12:57 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Kaslin
ummm YES!!!
28 posted on 06/22/2011 7:13:53 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Kaslin; Joe Brower; Travis McGee; marktwain
Those of us following this from the beginning have been saying this all along. The motivation they claim - that they were doing this to "track" the weapons - is a steaming pile of horseshit on its face.

How on God's earth did they plan on tracking these weapons once they crossed the border, or even once they left the gun shops for that matter? Did they have GPS transmitters on them, or perhaps on agent assigned to tail each of the literally thousands of weapons?

Then, even if they did discover the guns wound up with cartels, how exactly would anyone benefit from that information? "Eureka, we've found that drug cartels buy guns!"

The line they're feeding us about sending thousands of guns to Mexico to "track" them is a bald-faced lie. The government officials behind this are nothing more than corrupt, gun-smuggling criminals.

29 posted on 06/22/2011 7:16:24 PM PDT by AAABEST (Et lux in tenebris lucet: et tenebrae eam non comprehenderunt)
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To: Kaslin

Is IBD so dense that they are just getting it now? Oh, geez.


30 posted on 06/22/2011 7:17:58 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Husker24

This is simple. Think back to the media/DNC anti gun propaganda push. The DNC/MSM had an all out scam going about evil white pro 2nd amendment types sending guns to mexico. Remember??? It was a co-ordinated plan right out of the White House.


31 posted on 06/22/2011 7:35:26 PM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: Kaslin
"Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals — this was the plan," Dodson testified to the panel. "It was so mandated."

Speaks volumes.

Perhaps because all was going as planned until it was learned that two of the AK-47s recovered at the scene of the fatal shooting of Border Patrol agent Brian Terry in December were bought in ATF's Operation Fast and Furious. That wasn't supposed to happen.

It did. If any citizen acted so negligently, you can bet that a long prison term would be in the cards.

Not with this group. It was mandated.

32 posted on 06/22/2011 7:39:04 PM PDT by He Rides A White Horse ((unite))
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To: chris_bdba

Another version of “Wag the Dog”!


33 posted on 06/22/2011 7:44:09 PM PDT by kevslisababy
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Was F & F a gun control plot?

Sure has all the ingredients. I wonder if many gun-grabbin politicians know this:

I present to you:

The "Conspiracy Against Rights" Law, Title 18, Chapter 13, Section 241.

It says: Any Two or More Persons - who conspire to deprive a citizen of a right guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution (like the 2nd Amendment in the Bill of Rights), may be held personally responsible for damages. If these public officials conspire to injure, oppress, threaten or intimidate ANY PERSON in ANY STATE, Territory or District in the free exercise of any Right secured to him by the Constitution of the United States, that public servant(s) can be found guilty, and can be punished by up to 10 years in jail.

(And THAT means that if someone looses their life because you took away means of self defense, you are an enabler of murder. One of these sad days this is going to occur and I hope some politician(s) pay dearly.)

IMHO this is NOT enough time behind bars for a person who enables murder.

Have a fine weekend all

SEMPER FI

35 posted on 06/22/2011 8:42:01 PM PDT by progunner (no compromise)
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To: Logical me
This goes all the way up to King Obama. He is a communists traitor.

If so it would be grounds to impeach the illegal president.

36 posted on 06/22/2011 8:45:24 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kaslin

Yeh of course it was a gun control plot. Now its Watergate. Sometimes things work out.


37 posted on 06/22/2011 8:55:16 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: DefeatCorruption
How has Obama managed to elude impeachment or anyone blowing the whistle on him yet/defies logic.

That's easy to explain. Too many Americans are obsessed with whatever American Idol show is on or the Kayley Anthony murder trial.
38 posted on 06/22/2011 9:06:36 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!

39 posted on 06/22/2011 9:15:17 PM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: Kaslin
Well how about that. There really was a River of Iron flowing into Mexico.
40 posted on 06/22/2011 9:25:13 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Free Vulcan
Sounds like we may have a good comeback when the liberals spew about Iran-Contra.

The scenario has now been posed. It will be interesting to see if it has any legs.

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POPCORN-TIME 1

41 posted on 06/22/2011 11:38:19 PM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: Gator113

Holder doesn’t even lie well. He was horrible at the hearing, looking around for Regis and the life-line phone.


42 posted on 06/23/2011 3:33:58 AM PDT by Rocketwolf68 (Bring back the crusades)
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Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
43 posted on 06/23/2011 4:09:35 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: indylindy

I doubt it. They’re not a dense bunch. What they are doing is publicizing it at a good time.


44 posted on 06/23/2011 4:43:38 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Kaslin

ATF has been an EPIC FAIL ever since their botched raid against the Branch Davidians where much to their surprise the Davidians did not knuckle under to overwhelming force but shot back. And if I remember right three ATF agents were killed and others injured

ATF= laughing stock. Clowns, dupes, buffoons collecting huge Federale paychecks. That agency should be nuked along with the EPA and all personnel thrown on the bread lines


45 posted on 06/23/2011 4:49:48 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: Joe Brower
Was Fast and Furious a Gun-Control Plot?

Does BATF stand for "Bad Attitude Towards Freedom"?

46 posted on 06/23/2011 4:50:31 AM PDT by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: Rocketwolf68
Holder doesn’t even lie well. He was horrible at the hearing, looking around for Regis and the life-line phone.

The American people deserve decent liars. This shows what contempt the Obama-bots have for the American people

47 posted on 06/23/2011 4:53:03 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: Gator113

baraq did say that they were working on gun control under the radar. Fits the bill. If holder had baraq’s approval, then both of them are complicit in this. If holder acted on his own, then baraq has a roque ag. Either way, this stinks big time. Hope Issa gets to the bottom of this or else they will try something even bigger and soon.


48 posted on 06/23/2011 5:02:56 AM PDT by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: Husker24
Mabye this is what Obama meant when he said that gun control was being promoted “under the radar.”

Not only is that my take on his statement in light of information on "Operation Fast and Furious", but that would mean he at the least had knowledge of the operation and did not order it stopped. That's impeachment material and a criminal act.

49 posted on 06/23/2011 5:08:48 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: I see my hands

The question is, How many BATFE offices were involved in this operation? Arizona may just be the tip of the iceberg.


50 posted on 06/23/2011 5:10:55 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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