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Reserve Soldiers Train On New, Big Gun At Camp Ripley (MN)
WCCO.com ^ | 6/22/11 | WCCO Staff

Posted on 06/22/2011 9:15:05 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo

Minnesota soldiers got a chance to train with the latest and greatest in new weapons on Wednesday at Camp Ripley. It’s the M-777 canon designed to hit a target with near complete accuracy up to 15 miles away.

The state of Minnesota now has 12 of the big guns and Minnesota National Guard troops had a chance to fire the weapons up.

“Two million dollars for a Howitzer, you can’t put a price on a life. It’s a small price to pay, if we can keep our soldiers alive down range,” said Minnesota National Guard Capt. Steve Hall.

The soldiers of 1st Battalion, 151st Field Artillery were at Camp Ripley to complete their new equipment training.

“The accuracy is unbelievable, before we relied on our iron sights for the most part to keep us accurate. Now it’s all digital, it’s all GPS, it’s an amazing system,” Hall said.

Another interesting thing about these canons — they’re about half the weight of older canons. That means soldiers can fit two in a cargo plane or move one at a time with a helicopter.

“Right now I’m sitting at a 10-man crew, I have a two-man ammo section that also gets included in the fire mission, so every guy here has a mission and a place, so we’re able to shoot pretty quick and accurate,” said Minnesota National Guard Sgt. Eric Brunsvold.

The soldiers not only learned how to use the weapon but how the weather can affect how the gun works.

“Every hour we get what is called a meteorological update. What that does is tells us the barometric pressure, the temperature,” said Hall. “Our rounds are in the air sometimes over a minute and while they are up in the air, the earth is spinning, so we need to account for that as well.”


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Minnesota; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: big; boom; canon; frwn
Badda bing...Badda BOOM!

Video at link.

1 posted on 06/22/2011 9:15:08 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo
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To: SandRat

FRWN Ping.


2 posted on 06/22/2011 9:16:56 PM PDT by ButThreeLeftsDo (FreeRepublic.com. Now, More Than Ever.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Supposedly, a lot of the weapon is made from titanium, in order to reduce the overall weight.

3 posted on 06/22/2011 9:20:14 PM PDT by DemforBush (I'm shufflin' through the Texas sand...but my head's in Mississippi.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

Do they train to use it without the GPS? It would be a good idea, considering taking out our satellites would be the first order of any serious enemy.


4 posted on 06/22/2011 9:26:27 PM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: TwoSwords
If they used these the accuracy would be spot on whatever the meteorological conditions...:^)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M982_Excalibur

It does need GPS though.

5 posted on 06/22/2011 9:29:45 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
“The accuracy is unbelievable, before we relied on our iron sights for the most part to keep us accurate. Now it’s all digital, it’s all GPS, it’s an amazing system,” Hall said. Another interesting thing about these canons — they’re about half the weight of older canons. That means soldiers can fit two in a cargo plane or move one at a time with a helicopter. “Right now I’m sitting at a 10-man crew, I have a two-man ammo section that also gets included in the fire mission, so every guy here has a mission and a place, so we’re able to shoot pretty quick and accurate,” said Minnesota National Guard Sgt. Eric Brunsvold. The soldiers not only learned how to use the weapon but how the weather can affect how the gun works. “Every hour we get what is called a meteorological update. What that does is tells us the barometric pressure, the temperature,” said Hall. “Our rounds are in the air sometimes over a minute and while they are up in the air, the earth is spinning, so we need to account for that as well.”

Geez, where to start with all of this.

There are five conditions to accurate Artillery Fires. 1. Gun location (yada yada, it has gps..so does the Batery XO) 2. Accurate target location (that's the FO's job, no increase in technology here). 3. Common Survey (Again no gain with this system). 4. Accurate MET (Meteorological date, i.e. wind speed and direction. Artillery types already get this data hourly, or whenever the MET section sends it). 5. Accurate Muzzle velocity (no improvement cited).

They already fir 2 in a cargo plane and the can be sling loaded under a blackhawk.

$2million? We are getting ripped off. All of our systems can already do all of this!.

6 posted on 06/22/2011 9:30:37 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Another interesting thing about these canons — they’re about half the weight of older canons. That means soldiers can fit two in a cargo plane or move one at a time with a helicopter.

A tow vehicle can also carry almost twice the ammo, which could possibly eliminate separate ammo vehicles.

7 posted on 06/22/2011 9:34:33 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: occamrzr06

Oh, and I forgot. A 10 man crew, with a 2 man ammo section?

Currently it is a 10 man crew (ammo section included with the 10 men).

Waste of money.


8 posted on 06/22/2011 9:35:36 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: BerryDingle

I disagree.

You cannot load troops in a vehicle that also transport ammo.

The ammo carrier is a separate vehicle.


9 posted on 06/22/2011 9:37:37 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: az_gila

Too much of our defense relies on technology that can be subverted. The best analogy I can think of is when fighter planes in the Vietnam war were not out-fitted with machine guns to dogfight, only missiles.


10 posted on 06/22/2011 9:37:48 PM PDT by TwoSwords (The Lord is a man of war, Exodus 15:3)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I can remember as a youth fishing on Gull Lake near Brainerd, Minnesota and hearing the artillery from Ripley booming in the distance. I’d love to hear the M-777.


11 posted on 06/22/2011 9:38:03 PM PDT by Artem55
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Dear ignorant reporter/journalist:

can·on1    /ˈkænən/ [kan-uhn] –noun

1. an ecclesiastical rule or law enacted by a council or other competent authority and, in the Roman Catholic Church, approved by the pope.

2. the body of ecclesiastical law.

3. the body of rules, principles, or standards accepted as axiomatic and universally binding in a field of study or art: the neoclassical canon.

cannon: can·non   /ˈkænən/ [kan-uhn]

noun, plural -nons, ( especially collectively ) -non, verb –noun

1. a mounted gun for firing heavy projectiles; a gun, howitzer, or mortar.

2. British Machinery . quill ( def. 10 ) .

3. Armor . a cylindrical or semicylindrical piece of plate armor for the upper arm or forearm; a vambrace or rerebrace.

Also called cannon bit, canon bit. a round bit for a horse.

5. the part of a bit that is in the horse's mouth.

6. (on a bell) the metal loop by which a bell is hung.

7. Zoology .

a. cannon bone.

b. the part of the leg in which the cannon bone is situated.

8. British . a carom in billiards.

9. Underworld Slang . a pickpocket.

–verb (used without object)

10. to discharge cannon.

11. British . to make a carom in billiards.

You may now return to your regular programming... The marines gave our arty boys in Afghanistan a few of these 777's, and boy are they ever the cats meow! Our boys LOVE this gun!

12 posted on 06/22/2011 9:39:09 PM PDT by Don W (You can forget what you do for a living when your knees are in the breeze.)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

And not as loud as the 120 mm on the Abrams : ).


13 posted on 06/22/2011 9:41:43 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

You’ve never stood next to a 155mm going off.


14 posted on 06/22/2011 9:46:15 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: occamrzr06

Minnesota National Guard? Great! Now they can go to war with Wisconsin.


15 posted on 06/22/2011 9:48:06 PM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Well, I’m not advocating that, but my wife is from Wisconsin....so, I could see where that would be necessary.


16 posted on 06/22/2011 9:49:45 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo; All

It may be a good arty, howitzer, but I never really liked a “pig” [a towed unit then hand jacked into place for firing.] I served on an M109a3 self propelled 155mm howitzer. When we were training at 29 Stumps [read as 29 Palms,Ca] we could keep up with the tanks [the old M60’s] & give fire support with in 90 seconds or less upon pulling into a firing postion & drop a round into a trash can at 20 miles [depending how good your Fire Direction Control (FDC) was] We usually had a crew of about 6 guys to do the job, Section chief,Safety NCO,Gunner,A-Gunner,Loader,Powder Monkey,Ammo Man.


17 posted on 06/22/2011 9:51:53 PM PDT by TMSuchman (John 15;13 & Exodus 21:22-25)
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To: occamrzr06
You’ve never stood next to a 155mm going off.

Actually, I have. I also live fairly close to Ripley and nothing rattles the windows like the Abrams.

18 posted on 06/22/2011 10:13:04 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

toche.

Love the cordite smell.

We call it woof pussy.


19 posted on 06/22/2011 10:16:53 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: occamrzr06

To Occamrzo6: Saw and heard an ARVN 105 fire H&I in the Mekong Delta but it was the freight train 155MM outgoing shell that went over the house I was staying in, in Pleiku, that caught my attention. I thought, there are no trains in Pleiku.

Doppler would have been astonished!

PS: There’s a 260MM piece at Aberdeen Proving Grounds museum (at least until they start moving them out). Also a German railroad siege gun.

Image both of them going off with you standing nearby.

PSS: My son’s attention was gotten by a Palladin battery going off behind him in Iraq while he was stalled in a convoy. I think his first words were “WTF”?


20 posted on 06/22/2011 10:24:14 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I find it interesting that the howitzer is a Brit design and that it still has performance inferior to Gerald Bull’s G6.The US designed some great artillery in WW2 like the 155 Long Tom, but lately we seem surpassed in design ,at least, by quite a few players.The Germans, Brits, South Africans have developed weapons with superior range. Any thoughts why?


21 posted on 06/22/2011 10:31:10 PM PDT by xkaydet65 (IACTA ALEA EST!!!)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

So is this gun best for deer, coyote, or home defense?


22 posted on 06/22/2011 10:33:08 PM PDT by lurk
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To: MadMax, the Grinning Reaper

I spent 9 years on a gun line. 5 years as an Executive Officer, 4 years as the Battery Commander.

I went to a school where the post HQ was right next to the school house. They fired reveille and taps at 6am and 5pm respectively.

The cannon they used pointed right over the school house. The first day we worked past 5pm, and they sounded reveille, the cannon shot(ah hell it was only a lil’l pack 75mm), all my classmates jumped to the ground. I was like, “What are you doing”? They said, “That didn’t scare you?” I said, “No! Look at my collar, these are crossed cannons. Couldn’t you hear the fire commands coming?”

Everyday for 3 weeks the same thing.


23 posted on 06/22/2011 10:52:16 PM PDT by occamrzr06
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To: Artem55

“I can remember as a youth fishing on Gull Lake near Brainerd, Minnesota”

Et Tu Brutus?

Do you remember Mission creek between Gull and Round Lake and Thor Lake just along the shore from it? It’s the private lake with the arched stone bridge.

Thor Lake is down in Tall Timbers.

Fished many a Walleye there among others.

Trapping, fishing, hunting, snowmobiling......BIR (Originally Donneybrooke), what a life.


24 posted on 06/22/2011 10:52:34 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: Puckster

“Fished many a Walleye there among others.”

Fished many a Walleye on Gull lake among others.


25 posted on 06/22/2011 11:01:10 PM PDT by Puckster
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To: TMSuchman

I was with 5th Battalion 11th Marines in the Stumps from Aug of 86 to Sept of 89. Small world!


26 posted on 06/22/2011 11:41:55 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: lurk
So is this gun best for deer, coyote, or home defense?

In Tuscon, it would be excellent for sheriff SWAT team defense from inside.

27 posted on 06/23/2011 12:02:24 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: TMSuchman

Against a capable enemy, towed artillery is only good for a couple rounds before it gets taken out.


28 posted on 06/23/2011 12:08:53 AM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: occamrzr06
I disagree.

You cannot load troops in a vehicle that also transport ammo.

The ammo carrier is a separate vehicle.

I know. Why are you trying to throw oranges on my apple truck here? I don't need peaches either.

29 posted on 06/23/2011 12:10:48 AM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo
Attaching the silencer to such type guns is a pain.


30 posted on 06/23/2011 1:46:11 AM PDT by tlb
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I appreciated the arty cover when running convoys in III Corps RVN. Fighting Americans at a distance was certain death for the attacker. The VC learned this and worked from three feet away (See “Tunnels of Cu CHi”)

Taliban and Iraqis learned from the VC (See Suicide Bombers and IEDs)

While the big guns are “Big Boy Toys”, I’m not sure how we will use them in the new war. Normally, armies prepare for the last war. This story seems to indicate we are preparing for Korea/WWII.


31 posted on 06/23/2011 4:47:42 AM PDT by Makana
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To: ButThreeLeftsDo

I appreciated the arty cover when running convoys in III Corps RVN. Fighting Americans at a distance was certain death for the attacker. The VC learned this and worked from three feet away (See “Tunnels of Cu CHi”)

Taliban and Iraqis learned from the VC (See Suicide Bombers and IEDs)

While the big guns are “Big Boy Toys”, I’m not sure how we will use them in the new war. Normally, armies prepare for the last war. This story seems to indicate we are preparing for Korea/WWII.


32 posted on 06/23/2011 4:47:50 AM PDT by Makana
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