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Ron Paul, Barney Frank to Jointly Introduce Bill to End Federal War on Marijuana
LA Times ^ | June 22, 2011 | Andrew Malcolm

Posted on 06/23/2011 3:46:24 AM PDT by lbryce

Congressmen Ron Paul, Barney Frank and others will introduce legislature Thursday that aims to end a major part of the war on drugs -- namely the battle against marijuana.

Reps. Paul (R-Texas) and Frank (D-Mass.), though technically on opposite sides of the aisle, have often spoken out against the war on drugs and will propose a bill "tomorrow ending the federal war on marijuana and letting states legalize, regulate, tax, and control marijuana without federal interference," according to a statement from the Marijuana Policy Project via Reason.

The bill would allow the individual states to decide how they want to deal with pot. Currently the federal government bogarts U.S. law, oftentimes arresting owners and employees of medical marijuana facilities, for example, who thought they were operating legally under city, county and/or state laws.

"The legislation would limit the federal government’s role in marijuana enforcement to cross-border or inter-state smuggling, allowing people to legally grow, use or sell marijuana in states where it is legal," according to the MPP statement.

The legislation, co-sponsored by Rep. John Conyers (D-Mich.), Rep. Steve Cohen (D-Tenn.), Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.), and Rep. Barbara Lee (D-Oakland), is the first of its kind to be proposed in Congress that would end the 73-year-old federal marijuana prohibition that began with the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937.

Although Frank insists that this "is not a legalization bill," it will be an excellent test for those in Congress who claim to be for a limited, smaller, federal government -- one that gives more power to the states whenever possible as Paul and the "tea party" have rallied for over the last few years.

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KEYWORDS: barneyfrank; bongbrigade; crazyperverts; dope; marijuana; ronpaul; subversion; weed
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That the introduction of a bill to end the Federal war on marijuana is a "joint" effort, has been wantonly bandied about as to have lost meaning. Nevertheless, good luckat taking a stab at it. :-)
1 posted on 06/23/2011 3:46:29 AM PDT by lbryce
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To: lbryce
it will be an excellent test for those in Congress who claim to be for a limited, smaller, federal government -- one that gives more power to the states whenever possible as Paul and the "tea party" have rallied for over the last few years.
2 posted on 06/23/2011 3:52:49 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: lbryce
"Barney Frank"

One of the ultimate anti-US leftists.

The left wants to legalize dope because they want to screw over America.

See who you're in bed with, misled liberaltarians?




3 posted on 06/23/2011 3:54:57 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: rhombus

Since when do people around here listen to what the LA Times says? Insane.


4 posted on 06/23/2011 3:56:08 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: lbryce

Good luck to them. As a side note, this is about the fourth or fifth time I’ve seen this story posted, and it’s sad how many Freepers blindly support the War on Drugs, but claim they are for limited government, and cry when liberals use government to impose liberal morality. Anyone who is for limited government ought to also be for removing victimless crimes from the books. Government should not safeguard morality - that should be left up to the citizenry. Unless an action directly interferes with the rights of another, it should be legal. THAT’S limited government.


5 posted on 06/23/2011 3:57:38 AM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country.----------In the same way Rush is balance, I am consensus.)
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To: arderkrag

What’s really sad is when people talk on here all day long about how extreme leftists like Barney Frank are 100% dedicated to destroying America, but then can’t see that’s the their intent with drugs.


6 posted on 06/23/2011 4:02:28 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: lbryce

Let the druggies fry their own brains. They will not cost us any more than they do now.


7 posted on 06/23/2011 4:04:14 AM PDT by rsobin
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To: lbryce

My wife is from the old country and clearly remembers her mother’s admonition:

“Show me your friends and I’ll show you who you are.”


8 posted on 06/23/2011 4:10:24 AM PDT by plangent
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
Since when do people around here listen to what the LA Times says? Insane.
9 posted on 06/23/2011 4:13:33 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: lbryce

Ron Paul just made himself look more LOONEY!


10 posted on 06/23/2011 4:15:41 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass
What’s really sad is when people talk on here all day long about how extreme leftists like Barney Frank are 100% dedicated to destroying America, but then can’t see that’s the their intent with drugs.

I think the plan is to increase the number of laws so at any one time almost anybody is breaking some law somewhere. That way they can pick and choose which laws to enforce and which laws to waive.

11 posted on 06/23/2011 4:17:16 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: lbryce

Paul Pot and Peter Pan...lovely...


12 posted on 06/23/2011 4:17:23 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

And SWAT teams killing Marines in the name of the war on drugs is a good thing...right?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2718552/posts

Yes...that’s blood on your hands...and no...it wont wash off...


13 posted on 06/23/2011 4:18:11 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: rhombus

Oh, I think we’ve found the limit of the “limited government” crowd.


14 posted on 06/23/2011 4:19:43 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: arderkrag

whats even sadder is when people tell me they are conservative and then say they support gays in marriage and drug legalization...sad...


15 posted on 06/23/2011 4:21:06 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: lbryce
The bill would allow the individual states to decide how they want to deal with pot.

10th amendment people, chime in...

16 posted on 06/23/2011 4:22:18 AM PDT by Huck (The Antifederalists were right!)
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To: arderkrag
Government should not safeguard morality - that should be left up to the citizenry. Unless an action directly interferes with the rights of another, it should be legal. THAT’S limited government.

I agree completely with this statement, but too make a sarcastic tongue in cheek statement. Alot of citizens these days are well beyond the point of making any rational decisions when it comes to morality on their own. Not saying govt should be the baby sitter but dammit, someone needs to baby sit the tons and tons of morons walking around this country

17 posted on 06/23/2011 4:23:42 AM PDT by eak3
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To: All

That Barney Frank is a rabid America-hater, hell-bent on devastating our financial institutions, subvert our morality, destroy the very fabric of our society, leaves nothing to the imagination.


18 posted on 06/23/2011 4:26:52 AM PDT by lbryce (BHO:Satan's Evil Twin)
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To: lbryce

marywanna is bad...it kills your motivation, promotes a bad attitute, and can turn a winner into a loser...

having said that, the penalties for simple possession ( up to and including death by stormtroopers ) are worse than the drug itself. Something has to give, and while legalization is probably not the answer, decriminalization is the answer.


19 posted on 06/23/2011 4:28:44 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: eak3
Alot of citizens these days are well beyond the point of making any rational decisions when it comes to morality on their own. Not saying govt should be the baby sitter but dammit, someone needs to baby sit the tons and tons of morons walking around this country

Um... isn't that why we fight for the free exercise of religion? Isn't that THEIR job?

20 posted on 06/23/2011 4:32:42 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: joe fonebone
marywanna is bad...it kills your motivation, promotes a bad attitute, and can turn a winner into a loser...

In effect, aren't you sort of blaming the gun instead of the shooter. I know plenty of smokers who are motivated, have what I'd call good attitudes and are certainly not losers. When you see your stereotypical stoned pot-head it's really worth asking, is this guy this way because he smoked one of God's plants or was he headed this way regardless. Sort of the chicken or the egg question, maybe.

21 posted on 06/23/2011 4:37:15 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: rhombus

My comment was a tongue in cheek comment, which I stated the sentence before. Yes that is the role of parents and church to make sure people are taught how to act properly in society. But we can see how well that is working out anymore.


22 posted on 06/23/2011 4:38:39 AM PDT by eak3
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To: Christian Engineer Mass

“. . . but then can’t see that’s the their intent with drugs.”

Of course that is their intent. What you can’t do, however, is curb free will. If these people want to fry their brains, you can nanny-state all you want, they are going to get their dope and you will just be taxing and spending for nothing.

God gave us free will. If someone doesn’t choose the right path, no matter how sad that may be, you can’t circumvent God’s way with your government. If they aren’t hurting anyone else, wasting our money on throwing them in prison is stupid.


23 posted on 06/23/2011 4:39:34 AM PDT by cizinec ("Brother, your best friend ain't your Momma, it's the Field Artillery.")
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To: lbryce

I’m of very mixed opinion here.

On the one hand, I really don’t care what people do to themselves. On the other hand, I don’t want to have to be around those people or to deal with the consequences.

Looking through PubMed, I find 2293 articles when I search “medical marijuana.” It is very difficult to find articles which describe benefits of marijuana. It’s linked to psychosis, an intractable vomiting syndrome, a correlation between marijuana use and schizophrenia is driving research to establish whether there is a causal relationship, and so on. Adding the word “benefits” to the search reduces the number of articles found to 52, which still contain little concrete data on actual benefits of use.

The passage of the medical marijuana proposition in California (which I voted for, btw) was clearly a way to give a cover of legitimacy to potheads. It had nothing to do with medicine.

The problem with legalization of marijuana is that we will have to deal with the very real public health consequences at a level far higher than we already do today. Anyone who thinks marijuana use wouldn’t increase if made legal is engaging in wishful thinking.


24 posted on 06/23/2011 4:41:29 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: eak3
Yeah I know it was tongue and cheek, I figured you were being a straight-man and giving me an opportunity to climb up on the soap box. ;-)
25 posted on 06/23/2011 4:42:07 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: lbryce

I can get stuff like Meth and Cocaine, which are chemically manufactured substances, and sometimes illegally imported.

But a fricking plant that just makes you laugh at stuff and eat chips?


26 posted on 06/23/2011 4:42:59 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Huck

It perfectly fits with the 10th amendment.

Each state can blow money on killing a weed if they want, as long as it doesn’t leave their territory.


27 posted on 06/23/2011 4:44:49 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: RaceBannon

Well then..you’re really not gonna like Buckley talking about why drugs should be legal...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3OH6SDGqcM&feature=related


28 posted on 06/23/2011 4:44:49 AM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: exDemMom
The problem with legalization of marijuana is that we will have to deal with the very real public health consequences at a level far higher than we already do today. Anyone who thinks marijuana use wouldn’t increase if made legal is engaging in wishful thinking.

You raise an interesting point - and perhaps a partial explanation for why a crooked anti-American like Barney Frank would want to introduce this legislation now: the increase in demand on the public health system would simply reinforce the perceived "need" for government-controlled, "free" socialized health care - aka Obamacare.
29 posted on 06/23/2011 4:46:04 AM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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To: rhombus

only room for one on the soap box, but by all means have a turn =)


30 posted on 06/23/2011 4:46:05 AM PDT by eak3
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To: lbryce

This won’t make it out of committee. These morons are making too much money keeping it illegal.


31 posted on 06/23/2011 4:46:42 AM PDT by Artie
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To: arderkrag

Now, if they’ll kick all the (non-violent) drug offenders, rotting in prison on a “mandatory sentence” out of jail, we’ll save a bundle.


32 posted on 06/23/2011 4:49:26 AM PDT by Little Ray (Best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: eak3

someone needs to baby sit the tons and tons of morons walking around this country - - - - voted for Obama, didja?


33 posted on 06/23/2011 4:50:07 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Ann Coulter's "Demonic" - - Identifies the Democrats in Detail)
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To: eak3

someone needs to baby sit the tons and tons of morons walking around this country - - - - voted for Obama, didja?


34 posted on 06/23/2011 4:50:09 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Ann Coulter's "Demonic" - - Identifies the Democrats in Detail)
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To: exDemMom
The problem with legalization of marijuana is that we will have to deal with the very real public health consequences at a level far higher than we already do today. Anyone who thinks marijuana use wouldn’t increase if made legal is engaging in wishful thinking.

I would be all for the legalization of marijuana under two conditions. (1) All medical costs for any illness linked to or attributed to marijuana use are not covered by insurance or government programs. (You smoke it, you bear the costs). (2) Any crime committed while under the influence of marijuana incurs an immediate death sentence. (If you do the drug and commit a crime, then you will die)

Every pot smoker I've ever met has been or become a dope head. They've let the drug make them into losers. Every last one of them.

35 posted on 06/23/2011 4:53:40 AM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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To: lbryce

As a conservative, I might consider supporting this if it was accompanied by significant cuts in DEA jobs and budget!


36 posted on 06/23/2011 4:54:51 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: exDemMom
I feel your pain and you are absolutely correct there will be consequences with legalization just as there have been severe consequences with making it illegal. Think of the consequences of illegal alcohol and the consequences of legal alcohol.

As far as the links to schitzophrenia... eh. Show me the schitzoids. I've known smokers who have smoked (probably daily) for at least 40 years and are hardly schitzophrenic. In fact I don't know 1 smoker who ever developed schitzophrenia. Yeah, that's not very scientific and I think maybe if someone has a propensity for schitzophrenia and then uses drugs that problem is going to be made worse, like it would for almost any drug. As far as I can tell though this is such a small, small minority but it serves to frighten. It does sadden me that legalization has used medical marijauna as a fig leaf. It's Orwellian word games. On the other hand those who take lots of perscription "medicines" are often fooling themselves too about why they need their "medicine".

37 posted on 06/23/2011 4:54:51 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: John O

You need to get out more.


38 posted on 06/23/2011 4:55:40 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: John O
I would be all for the legalization of marijuana under two conditions. (1) All medical costs for any illness linked to or attributed to marijuana use are not covered by insurance or government programs. (You smoke it, you bear the costs). (2) Any crime committed while under the influence of marijuana incurs an immediate death sentence. (If you do the drug and commit a crime, then you will die)

The proposition at hand is not to legalize marijuana. It is to decide if the decision to do it or not should rest with the federal or state governments.

Can you tell us where you stand on that issue, and why?

39 posted on 06/23/2011 4:59:38 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: lbryce

Milton Freidman on drug legalization

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLsCC0LZxkY&feature=youtube_gdata_player


40 posted on 06/23/2011 5:02:46 AM PDT by cowtowney
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To: Loud Mime

umm absolutely not, all Im saying is theirs idiots all over the country who dont have a bit of the good sense that God gave them. Im sorry for your inability to understand what I was trying to say.


41 posted on 06/23/2011 5:02:55 AM PDT by eak3
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To: lbryce
Obama’s FDA could easily just change the classification of marijuana from Schedule I to a Schedule V exempt drug and avoid Congress altogether.
42 posted on 06/23/2011 5:06:40 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. How else could he beat Hillary?)
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To: eak3

lol......should have included an /s after my comment. After all, the liberals voted for him because they needed someone to guide them.

Glad to see that you finished with an ad hominem; good boy!


43 posted on 06/23/2011 5:07:36 AM PDT by Loud Mime (Ann Coulter's "Demonic" - - Identifies the Democrats in Detail)
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To: lbryce
During a “lightning round” where candidates were asked to answer questions about the issues that would give them the most problems during the primaries, both libertarian candidates– Paul and former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson– were asked to defend their liberal stances on drugs. First was Rep. Paul, who Fox’s Chris Wallace confronted with his controversial position that drugs and prostitution should be legalized. His unapologetic response elicited cheers from the crowd, as he argues that, just as “you don’t have the First Amendment so you could talk about the weather,” civil liberties do not exist to protect personal rights upon which most agree. He later likened private freedoms like this to religious freedoms, prompting Wallace’s follow-up: “Are you suggesting that heroin and prostitution are an exercise of liberty?”

After tripping up a little, Rep. Paul replied “yes,” then found himself arguing in favor of legalizing heroin, asking, “if we legalize heroin tomorrow, is everyone is going use heroin? How many people here would use heroin if it were legal?” The question was greeted with cheers, to which Wallace replied with a smile, “I never thought heroin would get an applause in South Carolina.”

So hop on down to your local 7/11 and get some heroin for the party.

44 posted on 06/23/2011 5:15:12 AM PDT by McGruff (Why do they fear her so?)
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To: rsobin
They will not cost us any more than they do now.

What makes you think that? This story itself shows congress wasting money on legislation they know isn't going to pass. The state themselves are already spending money on dealing laws to deal with "medical" marijauna clinics.

Utopian fantasies aside, I don't have issues with legalization but reality still must be faced.
45 posted on 06/23/2011 5:15:38 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: arderkrag
Anyone who is for limited government ought to also be for removing VICTIMLESS CRIMES from the books.


Have you ever been in a household where the parents were so passed out they did not take care of there children? Where after a few years of use their brain cells are down to nothing? Yes, I know alcohol does the same thing and its legal. So, since we have one vice that is ruining families across the US, we should be fair allow the other? Most likely we will see the children continuing the pattern, like welfare, its a family tradition. Of course, I'm sure a pothead parent has already let them take a toke when they were little for laughs. Who's going to pay to have the chidlren taken out of the home until the parents kick the habit? I know it seems giving people all the freedom they want seems the American way, but some people can't handle that freedom & their kids must pay the consequences. Please don't think this is directed at you. I just think we see freedom as candy and think all candy is good.

46 posted on 06/23/2011 5:16:01 AM PDT by Linda Frances
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To: arderkrag
Anyone who is for limited government ought to also be for removing VICTIMLESS CRIMES from the books.


Have you ever been in a household where the parents were so passed out they did not take care of there children? Where after a few years of use their brain cells are down to nothing? Yes, I know alcohol does the same thing and its legal. So, since we have one vice that is ruining families across the US, we should be fair allow the other? Most likely we will see the children continuing the pattern, like welfare, its a family tradition. Of course, I'm sure a pothead parent has already let them take a toke when they were little for laughs. Who's going to pay to have the chidlren taken out of the home until the parents kick the habit? I know it seems giving people all the freedom they want seems the American way, but some people can't handle that freedom & their kids must pay the consequences. Please don't think this is directed at you. I just think we see freedom as candy and think all candy is good.

47 posted on 06/23/2011 5:16:06 AM PDT by Linda Frances
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To: lbryce
So we have to have graphic, disgusting pictures on tobacco because of it's death-ensuring qualities. But pot? "Have at it boys." Yeah, I understand .
48 posted on 06/23/2011 5:16:11 AM PDT by AT7Saluki (No cejar, no ceder)
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To: rhombus

“...it will be an excellent test for those in Congress who claim to be for a limited, smaller, federal government...”

It’s so telling that this is the issue the liberaltarians always pick to test our commitment to small government.


49 posted on 06/23/2011 5:19:16 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: John O
I would be all for the legalization of marijuana under two conditions. (1) All medical costs for any illness linked to or attributed to marijuana use are not covered by insurance or government programs. (You smoke it, you bear the costs). (2) Any crime committed while under the influence of marijuana incurs an immediate death sentence. (If you do the drug and commit a crime, then you will die)

Do you support the same conditions for alcohol? You drink it, you bear the costs? You drink it and commit a crime, then you will die? If not, why not?

Every pot smoker I've ever met has been or become a dope head. They've let the drug make them into losers. Every last one of them.

That is most likely incorrect. Chances are, without even knowing it, you've met some successful, non-dope-head people who smoke marijuana;

50 posted on 06/23/2011 5:19:28 AM PDT by Conscience of a Conservative
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