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Dr. Paul clarifies marijuana bill on Kudlow—doesn’t “endorse” use
The US Report ^ | June 23, 2011 | Kay Day

Posted on 06/23/2011 3:33:06 PM PDT by Crush

Dr. Ron Paul (R-Texas) clarified details on the marijuana bill he will introduce with Rep. Barney Frank (D-Mass.) and others. Paul talked to Larry Kudlow on CNBC’s The Kudlow Report on Wednesday. The bill is not a blanket legalization bill as numerous media have suggested.

Paul's position relates to the Tenth Amendment.

Paul said the bill would return marijuana to the status that existed in 1937. The legislation, he said, would remove it “from the jurisdiction of the federal government.” The states that chose to legalize it for personal use or for medical purposes would regulate marijuana in a manner similar to alcohol.

Kudlow noted the approach is a Tenth Amendment issue. The debate over marijuana has led some states where the herb is permitted for medical use to prohibit the use because of conflict with federal law.

The Wall Street Journal pointed out at the Washington Wire blog that New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) has refused to implement his state’s medical marijuana law “without assurances from federal prosecutors.”

Another example is California where medical use is legal but dispensaries have been raided by federal law enforcement.

Paul, who is a medical doctor, said marijuana is helpful for people who have cancer and who are getting chemotherapy. There is also potential for people who suffer chronic pain but want to avoid a narcotic pain reliever that can lead to physical addiction.

Paul told Kudlow the federal government’s War on Drugs begun by President Richard Nixon (R) is a “catastrophe” that has cost US taxpayers more than $1 trillion.

Paul’s central point, however, is that the states should have jurisdiction over the issue.

CNBC said that 15 US states and the District of Columbia already permit the use of marijuana for medical purposes. Federal laws, however, technically place those states...

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KEYWORDS: marijuana; pot; ronpaul; wod; wosd
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1 posted on 06/23/2011 3:33:10 PM PDT by Crush
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To: Clintonfatigued

Ping


2 posted on 06/23/2011 3:36:10 PM PDT by Impy (Don't call me red.)
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To: Crush

Considering how ‘medical’ marijuana has worked out in the places that have adopted it, I think he should reconsider. It’s gone from growing your own for private use, to buying at a shop, to lollipops, pizzas, brownies containing it for sale. It’s a mockery of the people in those states who naively believed it would be the compassionate thing to vote for.


3 posted on 06/23/2011 3:37:01 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Crush

oh please, I don’t believe a word the man says any more

drugs & sex 4 kids, that is where its headed with libertarians


4 posted on 06/23/2011 3:39:38 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: OldNewYork

“medical” pot is a joke.

I wonder how often a quack who works for the pot shop says the “patient” needs something else instead of pot??

probably never.


5 posted on 06/23/2011 3:40:46 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: OldNewYork

I have the misfortune to be living in Texas in a state of chronic pain.

Right now, the Texas Medical Board, in conjunction with the DEA, is cracking down on ‘pill mills’ in Houston and ALL of the state’s doctors are running scared.

Many innocent physicians and pharmacists are being swept up in the raid. Careers are being destroyed. Jail time is being threatened.

So where does this leave a 40 Y/O conservative woman with a broken back?

Screwed.

I’m sick of the War on Drugs. I’m sick of being (one of the thousands) denied medical care because busy-bodies are so afraid of people getting high.

What’s ridiculous is that the stoners are just as high as they ever were. It’s the law-abiding citizens who’re hurting. And I mean that literally.

Stop this stupid war. Save our economy untold treasure and allow people in legitimate pain to get the help that they need.


6 posted on 06/23/2011 3:44:00 PM PDT by Marie (I agree with everything that Rick Perry is saying. I just wish that *he* did.)
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To: GeronL

That’s another thing - the number of conditions that are uniquely helped by cannabis is small. It’s true that it has a long history of medical use - for instance it’s still understood as medicinal in Chinese traditional medicine. But there are substitutes for it even there.

I don’t know the statistics on it, but your mention of pot prescription-mill doctors sounds about right.


7 posted on 06/23/2011 3:45:03 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: GeronL
drugs & sex 4 kids, that is where its headed with libertarians

I'm not a RP supporter, but I have to speak up for him here. He has not once advocated drugs for children. He advocates legal drugs with the same restrictions as alcohol. (Meaning that it's not legal to provide drugs to a person under 21)

8 posted on 06/23/2011 3:46:14 PM PDT by Marie (I agree with everything that Rick Perry is saying. I just wish that *he* did.)
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To: Marie

deny medicine (pot) to minors??

nope, they won’t and aren’t


9 posted on 06/23/2011 3:49:21 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Marie

Prayers for you, Marie. No one should have to live a life constantly in pain. Whatever medication you need should be decided upon by your doctor and you. Sorry to hear about your troubles!


10 posted on 06/23/2011 3:49:36 PM PDT by momtothree
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To: OldNewYork
My take is that Dr. Paul is well aware that states can let it get out of hand, but that is the states’ call to make, and not the U.S. Congress.

If we have 51 jurisdictions free to regulate marijuana as they will, we can see where to draw the line to minimize the damage done on both sides of the issue.

It appears that the war on drugs has been a 40 year flop. If I had to guess, I would guess that legalizing marijuana and probably cocaine would cause damage in some quarters, but it would prevent more damage in more quarters. As things stand, there is no way to test that hypothesis. If the Feds get out of the way, there will be 51 laboratories testing to find out where to draw the line. There will be successes and failures, but what we have now is 100% failures.

11 posted on 06/23/2011 3:49:57 PM PDT by Tom D. (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benj. Franklin)
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To: Impy

I say let the states deal with drug laws. The Federal government has its tenticles in too many place.


12 posted on 06/23/2011 3:50:40 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens collect welfare checks that Americans won't collect)
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To: Marie

I know chronic pain is no joke, and I hope you find some relief for it. If cannabis is indeed the only thing that helps, if it’s uniquely indicated for your condition, then I hope there’s some way you are legally able to get it in spite of all the recreational users abusing the system. There are two pain remedies I know legally available to herbalists elsewhere, and there are other treatments available that also don’t need legalization or prescriptions. You’re welcome to mail me here if you’re interested in my discussing them further.


13 posted on 06/23/2011 3:50:59 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Crush

RuPaul just wants attention and he’ll do anything he can to get it.


14 posted on 06/23/2011 3:51:21 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Marie
I’m sick of the War on Drugs. I’m sick of being (one of the thousands) denied medical care because busy-bodies are so afraid of people getting high.

What’s ridiculous is that the stoners are just as high as they ever were. It’s the law-abiding citizens who’re hurting. And I mean that literally.

If drugs are outlawed, only outlaws will have them...

No, I'm not snarking. It occurred to me that a "War on Guns" would have wreaked similar damage on civil liberties. Perhaps more.

15 posted on 06/23/2011 3:52:57 PM PDT by danielmryan
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To: OldNewYork

It got rid of 90% of the illegal aliens in my town.


16 posted on 06/23/2011 3:53:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: OldNewYork
- for instance it’s still understood as medicinal in Chinese traditional medicine.

The seeds are as a diuretic but they have almost 0% THC and thus no euphoric value.

17 posted on 06/23/2011 3:55:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Crush

The Federal government should be in charge of REGULATINGABSOLUTELYEVERYTHING!
This Dr Paul just doesn’t seem to get that.


18 posted on 06/23/2011 3:56:28 PM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Crush
The war on drugs has done more harm to this country, particularly in terms of degradation of the constitution but also in sheer amount of money spent, than any amount of illicit substance consumption could have ever caused.

Crackheads are bad, no knock searches and the guilty until proven innocent of the DEA’s judicial (and extra judicial) procedures are far, far worse.

19 posted on 06/23/2011 3:57:58 PM PDT by RedStateRocker (Nuke Mecca, Deport all illegals, abolish the IRS, DEA and ATF.)
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To: Crush
Paul said the bill would return marijuana to the status that existed in 1937. The legislation, he said, would remove it “from the jurisdiction of the federal government.” The states that chose to legalize it for personal use or for medical purposes would regulate marijuana in a manner similar to alcohol.

I'm confused. Isn't this the situation now? California (or one of those wacko states) already has a medical marijuana law, doesn't it?

ML/NJ

20 posted on 06/23/2011 3:58:31 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Tom D.

It could be, but the federal government still needs to be involved in interstate trade, as well as international. Some comes in from Canada, and cocaine is far from the only thing Mexicans are killing each other over when trying to control smuggling in from south of the border. I’m not going to argue that the declared War on Drugs has been successful, just that without the demand for it addressed successfully, it’s never going to be.

I don’t think legalizing it will address that - people already have enough problems with addictions to legal prescription medicine, tobacco, alcohol, caffeine, whatever. Why have so many people chosen to escape reality with narcotics? What is it about them? What is it about reality?


21 posted on 06/23/2011 3:59:07 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Crush
Paul's position relates to the Tenth Amendment. Paul said the bill would return marijuana to the status that existed in 1937.

That is a completely different characterization of the bill than previous articles put forth. Those articles gave the impression that the Fed gov had the authority to tell the states what they could or couldn't do. This one makes it sound like the bill will repeal Federal drug laws. Only the latter would be in line with the 10th amendment.

22 posted on 06/23/2011 4:01:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye

Interesting. Go on, more details about the 90% less illegal aliens?

Right, the seeds have only trace amounts of THC, but other parts were known and used medicinally, including for the euphoric effect (not nearly naturally as strong as in the hybrid, bred strains around now).


23 posted on 06/23/2011 4:04:22 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: OldNewYork

I don’t smoke pot and I never have. I’ve never knowingly broken a law in my adult life.

But the War on Drugs directly and profoundly impacts people in chronic pain and I’m against it.

As another poster so succinctly put it, “It appears that the war on drugs has been a 40 year flop.” By all counts, this is true.

When innocent people are treated like criminals - when a patient can’t even get a doctor to run tests for back pain because the complaint of back pain automatically labels them an ‘addict’ - we’re a nation that’s lost it’s collective mind.

And it angers me the most when ‘liberty-loving’ conservatives use the same ‘for the children’ argument that liberty-stealing socialists use to take away MY right to pain management.

The DEA and the federal government are out of control.

Leave it up to the states. At least that way, I’d have a place to go to get help.

Thanks, Federal Government, for protecting me from myself!


24 posted on 06/23/2011 4:04:52 PM PDT by Marie (I agree with everything that Rick Perry is saying. I just wish that *he* did.)
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To: Crush

the War on Drugs is a failure. Billions of dollars for what?
so that a black market can lead to crime? Filled jails? Loss of privacy? Overbearing government?

Get out of other people’s lives. Listen to Milton Friedman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLsCC0LZxkY


25 posted on 06/23/2011 4:06:22 PM PDT by cowtowney
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To: Crush

Why stop with marijuana Mr Paul? Let’s go ahead and legalize coke, crack, PCP, meth, and any and all other society damaging drugs.


26 posted on 06/23/2011 4:07:25 PM PDT by prairiebreeze
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To: Marie

I hope you can find a legitimate doctor that’s not afraid to have a look at your chronic pain then. I think whatever risk there is in going to one in Texas now would be worth it, if the pain is as bad as I can imagine. And I hope you feel better.


27 posted on 06/23/2011 4:08:11 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Crush
The DRUG CULTURE created by the far left has done nearly infinite damage to our country.

The drug culture is very important to the left, just as much as perversion and the intentional undermining of virtues deemed critically necessary by our founders to keep our freedoms.

Follow the perversions of the left and we will keep losing our real freedoms.

28 posted on 06/23/2011 4:08:59 PM PDT by Old Landmarks (No fear of man, none!)
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To: OldNewYork
Why have so many people chosen to escape reality with narcotics? What is it about them? What is it about reality?

Actually, it's the Drug Warriors that have a good idea why. The principled among them argue that drugs serve as an escape from the onerous duties that the citizenry sometime have to assume. Those include political duties.

The libertarians's riposte is that forcing people to be free only acclimatizes them to being forced. Once people are used to being forced, they can be forced to be unfree much more easily.

You may be interested in this quote from Ayn Rand: "Drug addiction is the confession of an intolerable inner state."

29 posted on 06/23/2011 4:11:48 PM PDT by danielmryan
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To: GeronL
drugs & sex 4 kids, that is where its headed with libertarians

Yes, notice that RuPaul doesn't have much to say about other assaults on our liberties such as government-mandated lightbulbs, Executive Orders instructing lower level officials not to enforce immigration laws, or all of these food regulations, but when it comes to pot or gays, he's all over it.

I'm no advocate of the War on Drugs, but it sure doesn't take a genius to see what RuPaul is really all about.

30 posted on 06/23/2011 4:11:48 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: OldNewYork
Interesting. Go on, more details about the 90% less illegal aliens?

I live in a tourist town and in the 90s the influx of illegals began and replaced most of the students and legal foreign temp workers in the motel and restaurant industries. By 2000 they had taken a majority of construction jobs here too. About two years ago I noticed that most of them seemed to have left. I made a passing remark to a friend that the lousy economy had sent them packing.

He and his wife are well-versed in the new MM laws and the people around here who are taking advantage of it. He replied; "they didn't leave because of the economy they left because most of them were selling Mexican pot and their market dried up when the pot shops opened." Made sense since the motels, restaurants and a good deal of the construction are still here.

...but other parts were known and used medicinally, including for the euphoric effect...

I know a little about TCM and have friends trained in it and have never heard of Chinese use of anything but the seeds. Not saying they don't but I've never heard it or seen it listed in their pharmacopeias.

31 posted on 06/23/2011 4:19:58 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: danielmryan
...The principled among them argue that drugs serve as an escape from the onerous duties that the citizenry sometime have to assume. Those include political duties.

That's my basic understanding of it as well: that it's in large part a rejection of responsibility.

32 posted on 06/23/2011 4:21:13 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Crush

I dont endorse it and although I did it (A LOT) in college I would NOT do it now, if it was legal.

But i am 100% in favor of legalization.

It is far less harmful than alcohol and has actual medicinal effects alcohol does not have.

If it was legal people would use it instead of other mor dangerous and more illegal drugs.

Last, it makes your hair stop falling out, enhances creativity, and fights nausea.

but IN MODERATION!!! like everything else.


33 posted on 06/23/2011 4:21:58 PM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: OldNewYork
I hope you can find a legitimate doctor that’s not afraid to have a look at your chronic pain then. I think whatever risk there is in going to one in Texas now would be worth it, if the pain is as bad as I can imagine. And I hope you feel better.

I don't think you get it. legitimate doctors look at my back, grimace, then kick me out of their offices. My problem is obvious, well-documented and backed up with x-rays, MRI's, and the opinions of specialists. But it doesn't matter.

See, I am a 'pain patient'. Therefore, I am a second-class citizen. I am a threat to everything they've worked for and to their personal liberty. Doctors in Texas can't afford to prescribe pain medications right now and the ones who dare do it are being arrested.

Trust me, I am by far, not the only patient in this situation. There are thousands of people in my situation.

The thing that conservatives don't get is that it doesn't matter how legitimate your problem is in today's anti-drug climate. (I had a friend who was denied pain management while fighting CANCER.) ANY pain-management is suspect. Long-term pain management is not going to happen.

At one time, I was naive. I thought that it was only 'bad' people who were denied pain medications. It couldn't happen to me! I'm legitimate!

How wrong I was.

34 posted on 06/23/2011 4:22:23 PM PDT by Marie (I agree with everything that Rick Perry is saying. I just wish that *he* did.)
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To: Tom D.

I’m curious why the pot/drug laws were pretty much unnoticed for almost 30 years, and then, since the takeover of America by the left in the 1960s, now they are a huge issue to liberals.


35 posted on 06/23/2011 4:28:16 PM PDT by ansel12 (America has close to India population of 1950s, India has 1,200,000,000 people now. Quality of Life?)
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To: Crush

Sorry but this law just doesn’t make sense. It will create nothing but legal headaches with uneven applications. Either legalize the stuff or don’t but let’s not pretend it has any medical uses.


36 posted on 06/23/2011 4:28:53 PM PDT by Cyman
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To: TigersEye

“Not saying they don’t but I’ve never heard it or seen it listed in their pharmacopeias.”

I’m using the past tense above because I don’t know of anywhere in the Chinese-speaking world where it’s now legal to do so. I’m no expert in traditional Chinese medicine; I’d only seen it listed in a book in English I came across on their pharmacopoeia which listed parts used as seeds and aerial parts - leaves and flowers.

“About two years ago I noticed that most of them seemed to have left.”

That’s surprising if so many of them were involved in the drug trade. Being free of illegal aliens would of course be a good thing, but surely there are other ways to be free of them? Operation Wetback didn’t need to legalize marijuana to work.


37 posted on 06/23/2011 4:29:59 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: OldNewYork
...but surely there are other ways to be free of them? Operation Wetback didn’t need to legalize marijuana to work.

I am sure that there are. Good luck in your town, my town doesn't have a problem with illegals anymore.

38 posted on 06/23/2011 4:31:51 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: Marie

I said libertarians, not RP

If someone does not believe that national borders should exist they are saying this country should not exist, why would they be running for office in a country that should not exist?


39 posted on 06/23/2011 4:31:56 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Marie

I hope you can find the relief you’re looking for. Maybe looking into other treatments or therapies would help you.


40 posted on 06/23/2011 4:33:07 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Allegra
RuPaul just wants attention and he’ll do anything he can to get it.

The Paul campaign in a nutshell.

If it takes a booger in the soup, he'll provide it.

If it takes a turd in a punch bowl, he'll deliver it.

It's the way his supporters respond to this kind of stuff that's even more bothersome.

Paul is not a serious candidate (or even "political leader"). And, as a group, his supporters aren't serious voters.

41 posted on 06/23/2011 4:33:19 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: TigersEye
New York is funny. Sometimes in some places here you can look around and wonder if any of the people you're seeing are here legally. Even legalizing every illegal drug wouldn't help with the illegal aliens here.
42 posted on 06/23/2011 4:36:14 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Crush
Ron Paul Interview on Co Introducing Bill To Decriminalize Marijuana
2:07 "...the modern day War on Drugs started with Richard Nixon..."

BS! Paul is a dumbass too with this pronouncement!
Lyndon B. Johnson - Remarks at the Signing of the Drug Abuse Control Amendments Bill July 15, 1965
The Drug Abuse Control Act of 1965 is designed to prevent both the misuse and the illicit traffic of potentially dangerous drugs, especially the sedatives and the stimulants, which are so important in the medicines that we use today.
Public Law 89-74

Statement by the President Upon Signing Bill Relating to Traffic in or Possession of Drugs Such as LSD October 25, 1968
In addition to these important new steps, I called for a concentrated drive to cope with the growing problem of narcotics and dangerous drugs.

Public Law 90-639

Nixon was 4 years behind Johnson and the War on Drugs sounds so much better than "a concentrated drive".

43 posted on 06/23/2011 4:37:35 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: OldNewYork

I wouldn’t expect that getting rid of all drugs and all the illegals would help NY much either.


44 posted on 06/23/2011 4:41:15 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye

Have you been to New York?


45 posted on 06/23/2011 4:42:47 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Marie

Actually, he’s advocating that the states make the decision, not the federal government.


46 posted on 06/23/2011 4:43:22 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: OldNewYork

I have been to NY. I also lived in Montpelier VT for three years. The entire NE is lost. A socialist hell hole. It wouldn’t hurt my heart if the entire NE seceded.


47 posted on 06/23/2011 4:44:28 PM PDT by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/15/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye
It would surely take more, but it would help: at least be a start - so much of socialism is accepted by people who, when sober, would realize that one would have to be high to believe in it. Even if conservatives are a minority here, we're still here, often because this is just where our homes are, where we're from, where our families are from.
48 posted on 06/23/2011 4:47:25 PM PDT by OldNewYork
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To: Crush
DEA Prior to the creation of the DEA, drug enforcement rested in the hands of two federal offices. The Bureau of Narcotics in the Treasury Department was responsible for the control of marijuana (due to the 1932 Marijuana Tax Act) and narcotics, such as heroin. The Bureau of Drug Abuse Control (BDAC) in the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare was responsible for the control of “dangerous” drugs, including depressants, stimulants and hallucinogens, such as LSD. By 1968, America’s counterculture movement was in full swing and the use of illegal drugs for recreational purposes was steadily rising. Alarmed by the increasing acceptance of drug use, President Lyndon Johnson introduced legislation that combined the Bureau of Narcotics and the BDAC into one new agency: the Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs (BNDD), located in the Department of Justice.
49 posted on 06/23/2011 4:49:59 PM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Marie

Amen sister.My hubby has had a bad back since he was 22 yo and he could be stupified on addictive painkillers but chooses not to be that way. Weed was decriminaized here in the early ‘70’s so unless you are really screwing up badly they just don’t bother with what you do in your own home.I’d like to see it be like that for everyone.Most poepl who are against this know nothing about what they speak and mostly spout propaganda.


50 posted on 06/23/2011 5:03:27 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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