Posted on 06/23/2011 8:58:10 PM PDT by smokingfrog
Are you saying the SWAT team’s lawyer lied? Because he said that Jose Guerena was crouched down when he allegedly pointed the gun at the people who broke into his house. But maybe the lawyer got their story wrong. The story is evolving. As for the flash bang grenades, didn’t they throw those in the backyard? I think that is in one of the transcripts, but I can’t remember which one. I’m still trying to figure out what the officers saw that they thought was muzzle flashes.
When authorities want to arrest a truly dangerous person, like Whitey Bulgar, they use subterfuge and pick him up without incident in the street. He had 20 weapons in his home btw. When they want to murder an innocent person, or even a less dangerous suspect so they can use it as an object lesson for the public, they send in SWAT, armed to the teeth, shooting first. They could have picked up Jose anytime coming to and from work. Without incident. They WANTED an incident, to teach US a lesson.
>Perhaps you can explain to me why they needed 1+ hours to ‘clear the building’. I guarantee you it would not take the US Army an hour or more to clear a 1500 sq ft house for entry...
If a squad from the US Army did what these SWAT guys did they would be up on charges of murder.
Lie, lie, lie. Everything I said was the truth, most of what you said were lies and conjecture and sucking up to the cops. Plain to see you are either a cop or related to one. Hopefully you will be the next victim of a swat raid.
dangus: Nice attitude you got there, wishing death upon your fellow freepers. Gosh, you’re so morally superior to those cops.
Hm, but if you are a law abiding citizen you should have nothing to fear from such a raid, no?
Or are you willing to concede that these raid's outcomes are not based upon 'innocence or guilt' but instead are arbitrary exercises of power?
Nice try. The death wish said,
“The next VICTIM of a swat raid.”
Wow - you sure are stupid.
Did you watch the video? What “plain clothes cops” are you referring to? Swat knocked down his door, and started firing.
If I were as stupid as you, I would not post on public forums to advertise.
Don’t post me back - correcting your snivelling ignorance is not my responsibility.
Making friends and inflluencing people, huh? It’s hate-filled rage-aholics like you who just hand power to the left.
By the way, you’re the one who’s too stupid to grasp the notion of a hypothetical.
Here is the kicker - that unravels the story.
The cops didn’t find anything - at least anything worth fighting and dieing for. MAYBE the referenced “stolen gun” - but that is it?
So - let’s see what else they can cook up - but right now - the guy had no MOTIVATION to fight. The cops didn’t find what they were ;looking for - they didn’t find some big drug operation he was defending. He had little if any MOTIVE to turn it into a shootout - especially with wife an dkid in house.
What was his motivation? He never fired. Right now it looks like he had no reason to fight - so - that is the portion I would like to see. As you note - this wasn’t even an arrest warrant - it was a search warrant.
So the government’s position is - a man wanted to fight and die over a search warrant for stuff that wasn’t there. So - there is a rather massive logical flaw here.
As for the coverup - I see plenty of motivation for that.
Dude -
Not to disagree with your point - but it was a search warrant. It is the location they wanted - not the person (theoretically - their actions scream otherwise).
Of course, as you will now point out - anyone could study his work schedule - they could have “searched” when he wasn’t home, or met him in the driveway, etc.
His motivation for suicide defense is not established.
>>Nice try. The death wish said,
>“The next VICTIM of a swat raid.”
So? Then you would agree that those who are on the receiving end of a SWAT team call are victims then.
That begs the question: if the police are on the side of justice then why do their agents [the SWAT teams] create victims?
Nice sophistry. It’s not about what I believe, it’s about what the rage-a-holic believed when he wished death on me, you little nazi.
>Nice sophistry.
Thank you.
>It’s not about what I believe, it’s about what the rage-a-holic believed when he wished death on me,
Ah, but isn’t it about what you believe?
If you believe that the police are inherently right, as you must to defend this SWAT action (I was in the Army, I WAS trained how to do an entry for deployment to Iraq; by clustering up in the doorway as per their own video I see people who are not only undisciplined but eager to kill: do you see the firing over the shoulder? Their own actions testify against them) then the wish for a SWAT raid cannot be unjustified, and if you do nothing wrong then they cannot have any actionable cause against you.
>you little nazi.
Now why call me that?
I’d advocate questioning orders’s moral/legal legitimacy.
When faced with a FReeper openly hoping for another FReeper’s death, you made a limp sophistry, rather than being appalled.
I’m no fan of the local cops. I’ve lived in NY, where my mother sang at more funerals of 9-11 heroes than I care to remember, but where I live now, most of the cops are idiot dirtbags. The one time I ever reported a crime, they let the same idiot criminal go accidentally... five straight times.
But the raving paranoia on some of these cop-hating threads is ridiculous.
Or someone sold it to him and then reported it stolen so they could also collect from their insurance.
Few days? Almost 2 months.
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