Man Police Shot During Traffic Stop Was Armed With Armor-Piercing Bullets

KIRO TV.com ^ | Posted June `5, 2011, Updated June 16, 2011 | n/a

[Cindy]

SNIPPET: "KEY PENINSULA, Wash. -- A man who was fatally shot by Tacoma police during a traffic stop early Wednesday morning pointed a gun loaded with armor-piercing bullets at the officer who stopped him and was carrying a large amount of ammunition in his truck, the Tacoma Police Department said.

Wednesday afternoon, the Medical Examiner's Office identified the man as Brooks Papineau of Gig Harbor."

SNIPPET: "When police searched Papineau's truck, they found a large amount of ammunition and additional ammunition magazines.They also said they found a Koran and several books on converting to Islam.

Police said Papineau went home sick from his job at the U.S. Postal Service at about 8 p.m. Tuesday."

[Cindy]

http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2011/06/16/1532332/ammo-sword-found-with-man-killed.html

“Ammo, sword found with man killed by Tacoma cop”
The Associated Press
GIG HARBOR, Wash.

SNIPPET: “Spokesman Ed Troyer says the semi-automatic gun was loaded with bullets that can pierce body armor. More ammunition was found in the man’s pickup truck along with a sword, pepper spray, an English version of the Quran and book on the rights of non-Muslims in Muslim countries.”

[Cindy]

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/06/22/1716810/man-shot-by-off-duty-officer-following.html

“Man shot by off-duty officer following traffic stop”

SNIPPET: “The sheriff’s investigation confirmed that Papineau had gone to work at 6 p.m. but left early, at 8 p.m., claiming to be sick. Troyer said Papineau smelled of alcohol when he died.

There is no chance that Heilman’s actions could put her at risk of losing her job, he said.

“He came at her with a semi-automatic weapon,” Troyer said. “You don’t want to wait until you get shot to find out whether or not he’s going to shoot you or not.””

[RandallFlagg]

Thank you, Officer Hannah Heilman.
Nice shootin’ there.

[vanilla swirl]

“a gun loaded with armor-piercing bullets”

Those are words designed to alarm the soccer-moms. Of course your average rifle round will pierce the average body armor.

“book on the rights of non-Muslims in Muslim countries”

huh? musta been a very short book ;-)

[Squantos]

Gonna guess this guy had a CZ 52 with surplus ammo. Steel core 7.62 x 25 will trash a DOJ IIIA rated kevlar. KTW ammo is rare these days on the street. So will guess it was old surplus ammo.

My swag on the matter....

Stay Safe !

[philman_36]

Talk about slip-shod reporting!
...pointed a gun loaded with armor-piercing bullets...
What type of gun was it? Was it a rifle or a pistol?
And body armor isn't designed to stop a large variety of rounds so the description of armor-piercing bullets isn't very useful.

And perhaps they need to do a little more research...
Man shot by Tacoma officer did not fire handgun
"We don't believe that he fired any shots, which is a good thing because the ammunition that was in the gun was very high powered and probably would have done a lot of damage if it would have hit the Tacoma officer," says Troyer.
Armor piercing ammunition was found inside Papineau's pickup truck.
Rifle ammunition is "armor piercing".

Brooks Lawrence Papineau
He worked at the US Postal Service for the past 27 years. Brooks will be remembered as an incredibly kind spirit who loved his wife, family, friends and his four-legged children Penny and Rachel. He was passionate about motorcycles, the 4th of July and was an experienced collector of historical weapons over the past 25 years.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks Cindy.

When police searched Papineau's truck, they found a large amount of ammunition and additional ammunition magazines.They also said they found a Koran and several books on converting to Islam. Police said Papineau went home sick from his job at the U.S. Postal Service at about 8 p.m. Tuesday.

[kalee]

Postal ping

[philman_36]

So will guess it was old surplus ammo.
His obit at the bottom of reply 8 might interest you.

[philman_36]

I’ll wait for the dashcam release.

[Squantos]

Probability is better than then....

The CZechoslovakian Model 52 is the poor mans kevlar punch with regards to handguns

With the surplus steel core ammo combo of course.

Thanks for the ping..

Stay Safe ..

[grey_whiskers]

Now there's what we have to fear the most in this world:

Jihadist postal workers!

Cheers!

[GOP Poet]

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[trebb]

And body armor isn't designed to stop a large variety of rounds so the description of armor-piercing bullets isn't very useful.

Yep - a gun show dealer showed me a 10mm some years ago and said it would go through both sides of a Kevlar vest with the person inside it.

[UncleHambone]

Shouldn’t there be an anti-cop freeper in this thread claiming that the ammo was planted?

[norwaypinesavage]

"The officer is on routine paid leave during the investigation."

Seems like a good policy, to me: Any officer who kills an armed Muzzie, who is threatening a police officer with a weapon, gets a paid vacation.

[driftdiver]

Shouldn’t there be a dead dog in this story too.

[agere_contra]

AP bullets?

Perhaps he had a picture of Jesus Malverde at home, and wanted to be able to defend himself from feral SWAT teams.

[hoosierham]

First, alcohol rarely enhances the thinking ability of anyone.

Well,there is a question what constitutes a "large quantity of ammuninition"?

To some, even having a spare magazine or a 20 round box of pistol cartidges is a large quantity.Never mind the officers usually have a pistol magazine filled with 15 to 19 rounds and one or two spare magazines.

Now was this guy pro- or anti- muslim?

Was he studying to become muslim or reading about the threats of shariah law to non-muslims?

Sloppy,incomplete reporting is standard these days;actually digging out the facts might interfere with the journalists' leftist agendas.

[Travis McGee]

That’s my highway pistol. It’ll also go through the various parts of a car as well, in case the bad guys are behind “cover.” (They thought.)

[B4Ranch]

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[VeniVidiVici]

I’ll go out on a limb here and say that this guy was probably not a convert himself but had the displeasure of learning someone close to him did or was going to.

Obviously the ammo was there because that was his hobby.

[Menehune56]

His obit at the bottom of reply 8 might interest you.

According to the obituary, the man "passed away unexpectedly." Funny stuff!

[archy]

Gonna guess this guy had a CZ 52 with surplus ammo. Steel core 7.62 x 25 will trash a DOJ IIIA rated kevlar.

Could be. Also, potentially, a FN 5.7.

[rogue yam]

Shouldn’t there be an anti-cop freeper in this thread claiming that the ammo was planted?

There would be but for the Koran.

Korans are like kryptonite to cop-hater FReepers.

[philman_36]

Funny stuff!
Nah, not really. Just a poor choice of words IMO.

[MikeSteelBe]

If I remember correctly, it was an AR (maybe AK) pistol variant chambered in 7.62 x 39 that caused the old Norinco steel core ammo ban.

[piroque]

All that needs to be said “ U.S. Postal Service “

[Squantos]

That AP ammo is tough to snag even through official channels here....

The civy HP ammo is everywhere yet not the AP variant.

You a fan of the P90 an the 5n7 ?

Hope yer well Archy...

[chiefqc]

No, that will be the job of eric, my people, holder.

[Squantos]

Yep remember you had such. I have one that I have been feeding .224 Boz loads... That is a neat sabot load using pulled green tip.

May ask why when OTC 7.62x25 is there already.....just cuz ...no other reason just cuz.

Stay Safe !

[RetiredNavy]

He!! this happend 5 miles down the road from my house. Wauna is a town of maybe 500 on a two lane road up in the hills, in the middle of the piney woods. The gas station in the background is where I gas up every week. The fact that he had firearms and ammo in his truck is not unusual in the area. Taking the gun with him when he exited the truck was his fatal mistake. Anyone getting out of a vehicle during a police stop, with a gun in hand, and moving in your direction should rightly be considered a lethal threat. Good reaction by the officer, bad and obviously suicidal move by the driver.

[jospehm20]

I think I remember Olympic Arms in it.

[Frank_2001]

Yeah, like he had a sudden heart attack or something. Well maybe he DID, in a way;)

[OneWingedShark]

“Ammo, sword found with man killed by Tacoma cop”

So he was going to shoot them with his sword?

[bmwcyle]

Or the other liberal statement, cop killer bullets. I really hate that statement. Bullets kill anyone if they hit the right place.

[Travis McGee]

I don’t have the time or dinero to play the fun gun games you do.

My new motto is, “All my thrills are vicarious.”

That’s why I’m a novelist.

[Squantos]

And a good one you are...

I figure your resting for a while but give me a shout when ya can regarding your next effort.

Stay Safe !

[Travis McGee]

It’s a great rest to not feel obligated to create deathless prose on cue every day.

[Squantos]

I have jumped into the black art of forging my own knives an some tools. Baby steps for now as I’m still collecting tools for my own small forge while I hang around with locals who have excellent facilities.

Yeah I have some time now an then for a hammer-in event where I get lots of professional guidance. I’ve made 1 good item for every 20 I’ve ruined ....:o)

Sources right now are old railroad spikes an vehicle springs old broken tools etc... Lots of fun . Brother from down your way has two knives I made from files. He uses em on his road trips he liked em so much.

Oh well... To hot to hammer here these last few days. No rain since January an none exected .. Gonna go find a swimming pool an a beer... Its 109 here with 38 mph winds.

Ugh...

[archy]

If I remember correctly, it was an AR (maybe AK) pistol variant chambered in 7.62 x 39 that caused the old Norinco steel core ammo ban.

Correct, similar in configuration to the Romanian *Draco* AK shorty pistols that are both very popular an d on my own personal want list.

BTW, there was a rumble at the SHOT show where the new even shorter [8-inch barrel/ 18 inches overall] Draco was introduced, that there's soon to be a version in the 5,45 Soviet AK74 cartridge. Which means that the inexpensive supplies of the military steel-cored 5.45mm Soviet ammo now on the market will dry up very quickly, and further importation of the Russian and Bulgarian military 5.45 will be halted.

If you have a 5.45 AK-semi and like the (good stuff* ammo, get what you can NOW.

[archy]

That AP ammo is tough to snag even through official channels here....

Try Joe Timbs excellent .223 Timbs cartridge instead. Especially try it using M855 63-grain GI bullets with the steel penetrator insert.

The civy HP ammo is everywhere yet not the AP variant.

It's around. As you say, a bit scarce and expensive, and not the thing for frequent practice.

You a fan of the P90 an the 5n7 ?

More the P90 than the FiveSeveN. But I really like a PPS43/PPSh41 or sammopal Vz23b loaded with .224 Timbs.

Hope yer well Archy...

Fair and warmer, with occasional outbursts.

[Squantos]

1.75$ a ROUND ?!?!?!?!

There a recipe for that load or he's just doing same as the BOZ ??

I reload my own in .224 Boz for the CZ52. MUCH cheaper !!

Whats the difference ?!?!? I'm using same sabot's, pulled green tip 5.56 steel core and once fired brass.... haven't chronograph my loads but they do punch what I want to punch through. Stay safe !! Send Money for Timb's ammo !....:o) Got to go study the difference now.

[MikeSteelBe]

I saw one of those .308 HK91 based pistols at the last funshow. I would think those and that 7.62 x 39 Draco would kind of be a handful to fire.

A 5.45 X 39 or 5.56 AK pistol with the proper brake really has my interest.

I would also like to see a true pistol like the Glock 18 or select fire Beretta 92 chambered in the 5.7 with a drum type magazine. I’ve seen them making those drum pistol mags for a few new types of pistols now. I’ve seen pics of old ones made for the Luger and 1911.

[archy]

I saw one of those .308 HK91 based pistols at the last funshow. I would think those and that 7.62 x 39 Draco would kind of be a handful to fire.

Perhaps you should get some specilized instruction on the piece by an experienced Draco shooter like Anne.

A 5.45 X 39 or 5.56 AK pistol with the proper brake really has my interest.

I'm going to try one of the *bell* flash suppressors meant for the 7,62 round versions of the AKSU suschka. If that doesn't work out, I may go with the *flame extinguisher* from a 5,45 AK74 or try a shortie .30 suppressor.

I would also like to see a true pistol like the Glock 18 or select fire Beretta 92 chambered in the 5.7 with a drum type magazine. I’ve seen them making those drum pistol mags for a few new types of pistols now. I’ve seen pics of old ones made for the Luger and 1911.

The 100-round Beta-C drum for the H&K MP5 has been adapted to fit the Glock 18, and since the .45 1911 Government Model and Commander were successfully adapted to work with the .38 Super cartridge, it should be possible to do something similar with a Glock 21...and the 7,62x25/.224 or .224 Boz or .224 Timbs variants. The 5,7 FN seems to be more of a challenge, but the enforcer versions of the .30 M1/M2 carbine come pretty close to the same performance in 5,7 MMJ Johnson.

I've tried a couple of drums and find they don't work real well with my shoulder rig. But as a reload spare, carried in a *lunchbox concealment* rig, they might have a place. I do sometimes use double-taped extension mags, which seem both a bit more reliable and less expensive, not to mention less bulky.

[archy]

1.75$ a ROUND ?!?!?!?!
There a recipe for that load or he's just doing same as the BOZ ??

I don't know exactly what he's using. I tried some of his in my broomie a few years back and got less recoil and less flash at night, so he's doing something right.

Due to legalities and predatory prosecutors in the Memphis area, it was prudent to practice with handloads and use factory fodder for business, and so I did. But I am no longer in that region, and even then I had such novelties as .30 carbine tracers loaded in 7.62x25 cases as spares. My Mauswer held 20 rounds, after all, and being such a notoriously poor shot, I figured that having at least two reloads worth on board was a good idea. Hollowpoints, tracers, AP; decisions, decisions decisions....

I reload my own in .224 Boz for the CZ52. MUCH cheaper !!

You might want to pick up a set of RCBS forming dies to make 7,62x25 brass out of 5,56mm GI brass. Not cheap, but they pay for themselves. And try the Hornady 90-grain XTP bullets made for the H&R .32 magnum in the 7.62x25 cases. Mi

I figure if I was still using the broomie as my Sunday-go-to-meetin' shooter, I'd use the commercial Timbs ammo in it...and load some of the sabot stuff in 7,62X39 cases for real penetration. Though I have doubts about serious accuracy with the sabots from a 1:10 twist barrel- something a bit faster is likely required.

[MikeSteelBe]

Perhaps Anne would be more comfortable with Birdman’s Weapons Systems compact Barret .50 BMG with the MicroNuclear projectile.