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Cable Suffers Customer Loss, Telco Up 24% (Dinosaur Media DeathWatch™)
Media Daily News ^ | June 23, 2011 | Wayne Friedman

Posted on 06/24/2011 5:40:26 AM PDT by abb

Cable TV distribution continues to lose customers in the top 15 markets, with telco companies sharply rising and satellite TV companies seeing little change.

There was a 3.8% decline in the first quarter of 2011 versus the same period in 2010 in the top 15 markets, slipping to 23.2 million customers, per SNL Kagan.

New York City, the biggest TV market, dropped 3.4%; Los Angeles, at No. 2, sank 4%; and Chicago, the third-largest market, slipped 5.1%.

The biggest declines in major markets were in Atlanta (eighth-biggest), losing 8%; Dallas (fifth place) gave up 7.7%. Seattle (13th place) lost the least, at 0.2%.

Telco was up 24% to 4.4 million among the top 15 markets during the period, with Los Angeles rocketing up 50.9% in customers during the period and Chicago 49.5%. The slowest movers were Dallas, rising just 7.8%, and Detroit (11th place) 16.4% higher.

Satellite TV distribution in the top 15 markets was virtually unchanged -- up 0.1% to 10.64 million. Washington (the 9th-largest market) was up 3.9%; Houston (the 10th-largest) was 3.8% higher.

Looking at all multichannel TV distributors -- cable, satellite and telco -- these TV business were virtually unchanged in the top 15 markets during the first quarter, slipping 0.1% to 38.18 million.

Washington witnessed the greatest rise at 4.7%; and Los Angeles was next at 3.9%. Atlanta lost the most at 5.2%; Phoenix was next at 3.3%.


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1 posted on 06/24/2011 5:40:32 AM PDT by abb
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To: 04-Bravo; aimhigh; andyandval; Arizona Carolyn; Bahbah; bert; bilhosty; Caipirabob; carmenbmw; ...

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2 posted on 06/24/2011 5:41:03 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

Please excuse my ignorance, but what is telco and why is it replacing cable?


3 posted on 06/24/2011 5:44:38 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: bert

Telco is a telephone company, Verizon or AT&T. They offer fiber service now, with TV & Internet & phone, that is replacing cable in many areas.


4 posted on 06/24/2011 5:47:00 AM PDT by advance_copy (Stand for life or nothing at all)
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To: abb

I’m not sure where this fits into the equation, but Comcast is p!ssing me off so I’m about to upgrade to Verizon Fios.


5 posted on 06/24/2011 5:47:31 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down!)
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To: bert
Telco would be he Verizon's of the world and there Fios service
6 posted on 06/24/2011 5:48:24 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: abb

I liked TV better when I had 3 channels, and a 4th when the weather cooperated. :)


7 posted on 06/24/2011 5:49:40 AM PDT by Sporke (USS-Iowa BB-61)
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To: bert

I use AT&T Uverse for my internet. I run 4 PCs, 2 game consoles and a laptop. We have used the internet for all of our traditional TV viewing.

In fact my youngest told me last night that he was happy that we no longer had DISH, because he can now watch ‘better shows’


8 posted on 06/24/2011 5:49:51 AM PDT by Dacula (Just say no to Vidalia onions)
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To: Sporke

...and it was free


9 posted on 06/24/2011 5:50:45 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: PLMerite
I’m not sure where this fits into the equation, but Comcast is p!ssing me off so I’m about to upgrade to Verizon Fios.

Let me know if it's any better. When I looked into it I had to install all this equipment on the side of my house and still had to have a crappy cable box attached to ever set. And to make things worse the 5 stations or so that I do watch were spread out over different packages so I'd still end up paying about the same as comcast.

10 posted on 06/24/2011 5:52:22 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: abb

http://www.adweek.com/news/advertising-branding/drama-slump-leaves-networks-scrambling-132845
Drama Slump Leaves Networks Scrambling

http://www.broadcastingcable.com/article/470185-Media_General_Implements_15_Day_Staffer_Furloughs.php
Media General Implements 15-Day Staffer Furloughs

http://newspaperdeathwatch.com/magazines-givin-it-all-away/
Magazines: Givin’ It All Away

http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=152995
Time Out: Media General Institutes Furloughs

http://www.kxlf.com/news/lee-enterprises-restructuring-butte-helena-newspapers/
Lee Enterprises restructuring Butte, Helena newspapers

http://www.mediaweek.co.uk/news/1076525/MailOnline-closes-gap-NYT/
MailOnline closes gap on NYT

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/06/23/us-viacom-cablevision-idUSTRE75M4XD20110623
Viacom sues Cablevision over iPad streaming

http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/23/sorrell-hits-out-at-facebook-and-google/
Sorrell hits out at Facebook and Google


11 posted on 06/24/2011 5:53:46 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Sporke
I liked TV better when I had 3 channels, and a 4th when the weather cooperated. :)

Ah yes, the days of coat hangers and aluminum foil. Pulling in a distant channel was a real triumph then. How much we've lost when we gained so much.

12 posted on 06/24/2011 5:53:55 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: All

cable TV has fallen victim to their own laziness. They have a state authorized monopoly in every area I’ve ever lived. They have no competition and as soon as something new shows up (dish, FiOS etc) they lose customers.

I despised my cable company until we got FiOS and now we have twice the channel line-up, twice the HD selection, great internet and phone service for the cost of just cable tv service offered by ComCrap or Why-Finity.

Now that we’re moving, I’m stuck with ComCrap again because there is no other provider that has been “approved” by the local gubmint. Our new neighborhood is littered with satellite dishes because ComCrap service is “spotty” at best. I’m guessing that as soon as Verizon get the green light to start service in our sub, ComCrap will get on the stick and start servicing.


13 posted on 06/24/2011 5:53:55 AM PDT by newnhdad
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To: bert
Please excuse my ignorance, but what is telco and why is it replacing cable?

Telco and cable are now one and the same, imo. My cable provider (Suddenlink) provides my local and long distance phone service. $30/month, unlimited local and long distance.

14 posted on 06/24/2011 5:56:51 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: PLMerite

it was the best decision we’ve made since we moved here in MD. FiOS kicks butt. Our subdivision was pre-wired for the service so it was easy but I’ve read that they might need to do some digging in places that don’t have the wiring.
We’re looking forward to getting FiOS in our new sub as soon as they can get there. My neighbor across the street and I will throw the installers a party.


15 posted on 06/24/2011 5:57:29 AM PDT by newnhdad
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To: Halfmanhalfamazing; antiRepublicrat

Y’all may want in on this one.


16 posted on 06/24/2011 5:58:32 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: PLMerite

Me too! I have the “triple play” and it’s currently costing me $245 a month. The digital TV gets squirrely at times and goes off on a pixel tangent. I’d love to switch, only problem, I have Embarq as a phone co., they stink.


17 posted on 06/24/2011 5:59:30 AM PDT by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint /Palin, DeMint/Bachmann, DeMint/Cain, DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!!!)
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To: PLMerite
Comcast is p!ssing me off so I’m about to upgrade to Verizon Fios.
Depending on why you're PO'd at Comcast - you may be just as PO'd at Verizon.
I can read 1000s of complaints on-line about my cable provider - Time Warner - yet I've had TW cable and Road Runner for well over ten years and they've never PO'd me (other than price increases).
Just switching providers may not change anything. Good luck ...
18 posted on 06/24/2011 6:02:24 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Sporke

>>I liked TV better when I had 3 channels, and a 4th when the weather cooperated. :)<<

Digital tv screwed all that up, even if you wanted to go “over the air”.


19 posted on 06/24/2011 6:02:33 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: abb

maybe there are more like us, we got tired of increased prices while service decreased in satifaction


20 posted on 06/24/2011 6:05:24 AM PDT by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: abb
Comcast has become infamous for poor service. We left it for Verizon last year -- not that Verizon is that much better.

It is a little cheaper.

21 posted on 06/24/2011 6:05:39 AM PDT by Tribune7 (We're flat broke, but he thinks these solar shingles and really fast trains will magically save us.)
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To: abb
It doesn't help that cable companies (and now telcos which offer TV service) continue to hike prices for that service.

Not that long ago I told Comcast that they either need to cut my rate (my total for Internet, Cable TV and a HD-DVR was well over $150) or I was going to cancel the TV portion of the service. To my surprise (and my wife's delight) they gave me a $40 a month discount. I don't live in an area where FIOS or any similar service is available either. The only other choice I have for TV would be satellite... though I do want to explore just going with an antenna if cable TV creeps back up again,

22 posted on 06/24/2011 6:08:36 AM PDT by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: abb

Cable, Uverse, FIOS, etc. Phooey!

I’m still waiting for AT&T to install DSL out here in the country.


23 posted on 06/24/2011 6:09:22 AM PDT by upchuck (Think you know hardship? Ha! Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: abb; kristinn

http://blogs.forbes.com/erikkain/2011/06/23/why-are-d-c-police-arresting-journalists-at-a-public-meeting/
Why Are D.C. Police Arresting Journalists at a Public Meeting?

http://www.knightdigitalmediacenter.org/news_blog/20110621_journalism_inextricably_linked_to_new_forms_of_digital_community/
Journalism inextricably linked to new forms of digital community - Neiman Reports

http://losaltos.patch.com/articles/for-student-journalists-no-burden-guarding-vargas-secret
For Student Journalists, No Burden Guarding Vargas’ Secret
For six weeks, 35 teenagers protected Jose Antonio Vargas after he revealed to them his undocumented status.


24 posted on 06/24/2011 6:15:13 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: newnhdad; PLMerite
as soon as Verizon get the green light to start service in our sub

You may want to look into that - I remember reading a few months ago that Verizon has decided not to lay any new fiber, which means if it's not already dug and in the ground in your 'hood - it could be awhile before they commence any new digging.

BTW - I moved from Comcrap to FIOS about 18 months ago because Comcrap wouldnt open up my router to allow HD video conferencing from my home office - they told me I wasnt authorized to use video in my house! They were either so inexperienced or thought we were in the Soviet Union but either way I moved my service as fast as I could.

25 posted on 06/24/2011 6:17:05 AM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: Sporke

IOW - 3 channels of good programming is better than 300 channels of garbage


26 posted on 06/24/2011 6:23:22 AM PDT by kidd
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To: abb

Do the telco’s lay new cable from the box outside to a house, just like cable companies do?


27 posted on 06/24/2011 6:23:45 AM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: netmilsmom
Digital tv screwed all that up, even if you wanted to go “over the air”.

Actually, digital has a much better signal-to-noise advantage than analog at coverage edges (unless you are in a severe shadow area, like behind a hill). I get sigs from 60-80 miles that are crystal clear because either a sig is strong enough to decode or it is not. I am getting 25 off-air channels and subchannels. The main problem is that programs can be pretty tacky and/or old.

28 posted on 06/24/2011 6:28:26 AM PDT by TheGeezer
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To: Loyal Buckeye

I don’t know the answer to that. In my location (Ruston, LA) Bell South still uses a twisted pair, I think. The cable provider (TCA) wired the town with fiber back in the mid-90s. From the pole to the house is 75 ohm coax.


29 posted on 06/24/2011 6:28:31 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: abb

Competition works.

We the people can solve any and all of these problems without big government net neutrality.

That’s all.


30 posted on 06/24/2011 6:29:34 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: abb

sfl


31 posted on 06/24/2011 6:33:06 AM PDT by phockthis
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To: PLMerite
..but Comcast is p!ssing me off..

I dumped Comcast six months ago after they raised their rates 10% - again. I went with our local phone company and couldn't be happier.

32 posted on 06/24/2011 6:33:23 AM PDT by ExtremeUnction
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To: abb; Dacula; DAC21; advance_copy

I understand the cable provider part. It is the telco part that I am behind on, especially the fiber to home part.

I was aware of DSL and wireless provided by local telcos and ATT but not the ability to provide tv over copper. Another poster said in the cities it is fiber optic.

My son the geek gave me an old computer set up for internet TV and it is pretty amazing in what it will do. I have not fooled with it enough to learn all the capabilities. It runs off the cable internet

I ported my landline to an ATT Iphone and thus have some duplication with the cable provided services. What I want I think is a deal linking the I phones and the data capability to the LAN via wireless. That will allow eliminating the Charter cable connection.

The wireless internet is present but lacks the capability to take on all comers so is too expensive. There is no fiber to home capability yet. I could be wrong but there might be fiber but the last 100 feet is coax. I don’t know what the neighborhood cable wire is, copper or fiber.

I’m left wondering, what will become of the Charter infrastructure? Will ATT or Verizon gobble it up or will it become obsolete altogether?


33 posted on 06/24/2011 6:37:06 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: abb

TV viewing has been declining for years. People do not watch as much as they used to. Too many other things to entertain themselves with.


34 posted on 06/24/2011 6:39:09 AM PDT by rawhide
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To: abb

http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=152964
Mobile Ads To Hit $4 Billion By 2015

http://www.mediapost.com/publications/?fa=Articles.showArticle&art_aid=153002
Cablevision Weighs In on iPad Debate

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/artman2/publish/New_media_23/The-richer-lives-of-social-media-users.asp
The richer lives of social media users


35 posted on 06/24/2011 6:39:15 AM PDT by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Sporke
I liked TV better when I had 3 channels, and a 4th when the weather cooperated.

And they went off the air at midnight.

"This now completes our boadcast day at KRON, National Anthem....Test Pattern....Tweeeeeeeeee....."

36 posted on 06/24/2011 6:41:02 AM PDT by super7man
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To: abb

I got rid of cable entirely in October. All I use my television for is a place to watch the stuff I rent from Redbox. I don’t miss it.


37 posted on 06/24/2011 7:02:59 AM PDT by nonliberal (Graduate: Curtis E. LeMay School of International Relations)
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To: nonliberal

We canceled comcast and bought a cheap HDMI output computer that sits next to the TV and we have more movie channels now thru the internet(free) than we had with cable.


38 posted on 06/24/2011 7:10:25 AM PDT by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: rhombus
Direct TV is far and away better than Dish or cable.

Dish claims a cheaper price for the basic plan, but there isn't anything included in it that an adult with an IQ over plant life would watch.

Direct has news channels, ALL of them, even Fox Business channel. Dish charges extra for everything but PMS_NBC and a couple other commie propaganda channels.

39 posted on 06/24/2011 7:10:39 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: Beagle8U

Thanks for the pointers. How do the satellite dishes do with 3 feet of snow on top of them? I’m in NH after all. I see some people with them so I know it must be possible.


40 posted on 06/24/2011 7:17:26 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: TheGeezer

We are 30 minutes North of Detroit.
We are on totally flat land. Bought a 100.00 antenna and our stations come in intermittently. Yet, the analog Canadian stations come in clear as a bell.


41 posted on 06/24/2011 7:32:16 AM PDT by netmilsmom (Happiness is a choice)
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To: abb
Where are the stats for radio media? I enjoy listening while I work. I'll take listening to a good radio program or a ball game over being a couch sloth any day. Its hard to believe people actually pay as much to watch TV as they would making a car payment.
42 posted on 06/24/2011 7:33:48 AM PDT by Musketeer
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To: rhombus

We get a bit of snow in Michigan too!

It works great. I get damn near everything available on a TV hooked to anything. All the premimum movie channels, local channels, sports channels, news channels, well, most everything but the 24/7 hard core porn channels, for about $90 a month. That includes HD and DVR.


43 posted on 06/24/2011 7:34:12 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: abb
Competition is always good for the consumer. Monopolies are not.
44 posted on 06/24/2011 7:36:25 AM PDT by McGruff (Why do they fear her so?)
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To: netmilsmom

I’m in SW Jackson county and when broadcast TV went digital everything went dead. There are no TV stations within 40 miles of here, and it is woods and hills.


45 posted on 06/24/2011 7:46:05 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: netmilsmom

“Digital tv screwed all that up, even if you wanted to go “over the air”.”

Yep, I now get over 30 different crystal clear channels over the air instead of 6 fuzzy ones.


46 posted on 06/24/2011 7:46:16 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Beagle8U
I get damn near everything available on a TV hooked to anything

What did you mean by "hooked to anything"?

47 posted on 06/24/2011 7:47:33 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: netmilsmom

“We are on totally flat land. Bought a 100.00 antenna and our stations come in intermittently. Yet, the analog Canadian stations come in clear as a bell.”

Sounds like an antenna problem. Check the UHF portion of the antenna for a short. I live 60 miles from the digital broadcast antenna and can pull the signal in with a TV top bow tie antenna.


48 posted on 06/24/2011 7:51:59 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: rhombus

FO vs. Cable

1) No congestion during peak-use times.

2) Greater bandwidth

3) More “on demand” choices.

4) Slightly better HD quality and vastly superior SD (less compression)

5) Tighter integration of PC, TV, Phone, and other LAN devices.

6) In my experience, FiOS customer service beats Comcast hands-down.

Downside is FO can be more expensive.


49 posted on 06/24/2011 7:56:41 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9
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To: rhombus

Anything, meaning everything available on any and every cable, satalite, fiber optic phone line, etc etc.

I truly do have hundreds of channels with stuff the average person would watch. All the new movies, everything.


50 posted on 06/24/2011 8:01:20 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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