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Is Obama Only Postponing the Inevitable?
Townhall.com ^ | June 24, 2011 | Pat Buchanan

Posted on 06/24/2011 6:04:10 AM PDT by Kaslin

In deciding to pull all of the 30,000 troops from the surge out of Afghanistan, six weeks before Election Day 2012, but only 10,000 by year's end, President Obama has satisfied neither the generals nor the doves.

He has, however, well served his political interests.

A larger drawdown would have risked the gains made in Kandahar and Helmand and invited a revolt of the generals, some of whom might resign and denounce Obama for denying them the forces to prevail.

Sen. John McCain, citing some generals, is already saying that, with fewer troops and more missions per unit, U.S. casualties will rise.

A smaller drawdown would have enraged the left, whose support is indispensable to Obama's winning a second term.

So, our president did what comes naturally: cut the baby in half.

Strategically, removal of 30,000 troops in 15 months means that Obama has given up all hope of victory over the Taliban. Gen. MacArthur's dictum -- "In war, there is no substitute for victory" -- is inoperative in yet another American war.

Obama's strategic goal now is the avoidance of defeat, until the election of 2012 is behind him. And by retaining 70,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan during the fighting season and political season of 2012, he has an insurance policy against a Taliban Tet-style offensive or major U.S. military reversal as voters begin to fill out absentee ballots.

In the post-speech analysis, there was much chatter about a "political solution" -- a peace conference including Pakistan, India, Russia, China and Iran that would bring the moderate Taliban and Karzai government together to iron out their differences.

This is self-delusion, born of hope not rational analysis.

Have we not been here before? With Mao's Communists and Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists being pushed toward a coalition by Gen. George Marshall in the late 1940s. With the Viet Cong and North and South Vietnamese making peace in Southeast Asia in 1973.

Like the old communists, the Taliban are all-or-nothing people.

They have a vision, an agenda grounded in religious faith about how a society should be structured, about how men and women should live. They fought their way to absolute power in the 1990s. And they have shown themselves more willing to die for their beliefs and leaders than the Afghan National Army,

This is not to denigrate the brave Afghan soldiers who have bled and died. But the Taliban have not needed U.S. training, U.S. arms, U.S. air and fire support or U.S. paychecks to go into battle. All the suicide bombers who give up their lives are -- Taliban.

They recruit themselves. And for 10 years the Taliban have battled U.S. soldiers and Marines, backed up by NATO troops, to what Gen. Stanley McChrystal called "a draw."

And if Afghanistan has become a stalemated war between the Americans and Taliban after a decade in which 1,600 Americans have given their lives and 12,000 have been wounded, how well will the Karzai regime and ANA make out when the Americans, the best soldiers in the world, depart, and they face the Taliban alone?

"This war does not lend itself to a military solution" is the cliche of the hour. And, surely, if the United States cannot achieve victory over the Taliban with 100,000 troops, we are unlikely to achieve it with 70,000, or however many may remain after 2014.

But has anyone heard the Taliban concede, "This war does not lend itself to a military solution"? Even should the Taliban come to the table and agree to compete democratically, does anyone think it will be faithful to a commitment given to the infidel Americans, once the infidel Americans depart? Why should they?

Over the next 15 months, the United States will be pulling out all or almost all of its 50,000 troops from Iraq, plus the 30,000 from the Afghan theater.

Our NATO allies will execute similar drawdowns.

This will leave Iraq up for grabs. But the Islamic world will see the U.S. pullout from Afghanistan for what it is: a retreat, forced upon a war-weary America by Islamic holy warriors who are the sons of the mujahedeen who drove out the Red Army in the 1980s and helped to bring down the Soviet Empire.

Make no mistake. Obama is headed for the exit ramp, and the Karzai government and Afghan army will not succeed where that same government and army, backed by 150,000 U.S. and NATO troops, could not succeed.

McCain and the neocons will blame what is coming, a terrible day in Kabul and across Afghanistan, on those who refused to soldier on, no matter the cost in blood and treasure.

But the people who should be indicted by history are not those who, after half a trillion dollars and a decade of bleeding, decided to cut America's losses, but those who stampeded this country into two of the longest and least necessary wars in the history of the republic.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: patbuchanan

1 posted on 06/24/2011 6:04:12 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

This poser is gonna get good people killed,in an attempt to buy votes.


2 posted on 06/24/2011 6:09:22 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Kaslin

I can only pray for my Soldier Son and all the other Soldiers, Marines, Airmen, Sailors, and others put in harm’s way by this Administration. God protect them all.


3 posted on 06/24/2011 6:10:47 AM PDT by WesternPacific (Deafness has its Advantages)
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To: Farmer Dean; Kaslin
This poser is gonna get good people killed,in an attempt to buy votes.

And the media will be silent until after the fact...

4 posted on 06/24/2011 6:11:49 AM PDT by Doofer
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To: Farmer Dean

Obama should be indicted and tried for murder because of his insane rules of engagement.


5 posted on 06/24/2011 6:16:04 AM PDT by thethirddegree
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To: Kaslin
Strategically, removal of 30,000 troops in 15 months means that Obama has given up all hope of victory over the Taliban.

After all his campaign rhetoric about Afganistan being so important and Iraq being a big mistake. Nothing this guy says is believable.

6 posted on 06/24/2011 6:16:19 AM PDT by MulberryDraw ( Switch off the EPA.)
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To: Kaslin
But the people who should be indicted by history are not those who, after half a trillion dollars and a decade of bleeding, decided to cut America's losses, but those who stampeded this country into two of the longest and least necessary wars in the history of the republic.

Pat Buchanan looks at Barack Obama's administration, looks at the problems in the world, and concludes: It's Bush's fault.

7 posted on 06/24/2011 6:17:45 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Kaslin

What was it John McCain said? Oh yeah that we have nothing to fear from a BO president.

He need to retire and move into a nursing home for the mentally deficient.


8 posted on 06/24/2011 6:18:06 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kaslin

I don’t even think it was a very smart political move. This gives an entire year for people to point (rightly or wrongly) at Afghan violence and say see, see, see... he should have listened to his Generals. Obama could have pushed the date back to next summer and still got the political credit he craves.


9 posted on 06/24/2011 6:20:40 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Doofer
You know you never see any causality updates for the current over seas contingencies on the network news anymore since I don't know around 2009?Well they probably needed extra airtime to devote to Sarah Palin's bathroom schedule.
10 posted on 06/24/2011 6:23:05 AM PDT by bonehead4freedom
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To: Kaslin

If I was in Charge I would bring them all out next month along with anything I could haul away and I would destroy anything I couldn’t haul away.

The people there do not want us there, and we will never defeat the Taliban any more than the Japanese could defeat free Philipino’s in WW2.


11 posted on 06/24/2011 6:51:49 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: ClearCase_guy

I believe Buchanan has a good point.

FDR had his faults, but he rallied the entire country in 1941. And his goal was absolute victory. No focus nation-building, and no limited rules of engagement.

FDR beat Hitler and Tojo, both of them, in less than 5 years.

Look what Bush did. After 10 years, both Iraq and Afghanistan are stalemates, at best. That’s 100% the fault of Bush.


12 posted on 06/24/2011 6:52:35 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Farmer Dean

He sure will


13 posted on 06/24/2011 6:55:35 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Leaning Right

Buchanan said that he supported going into Afghanistan before, Bush wasn’t the only one. Obama doesn’t have to leave there. It’s not Bush’s fault that Obama is leaving Afghanistan, he could have improved it.


14 posted on 06/24/2011 6:56:22 AM PDT by Politics4US
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To: Leaning Right
I'm not a big Bush supporter. I don't walk around singing the praises of Bush.

But we are more than halfway through Obama's term, and I see that economically, politically, domestically, and internationally, we are in serious trouble. And then I see people stand up and say, "Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush, Bush."

All I really want is for people to say "Obama is a disaster, and Bush wasn't any good either."

But what I see (too often) is a lot of "Conservatives" saying "Bush wasn't any good."

Not helping.

15 posted on 06/24/2011 6:56:24 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: WesternPacific

Very well said and I’ll pray with you. Thank you to your son for his service


16 posted on 06/24/2011 6:57:46 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Venturer
So you loser think we should just cut and run. Nice



Not

17 posted on 06/24/2011 7:00:51 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: Politics4US

Excellent point


18 posted on 06/24/2011 7:02:29 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: ClearCase_guy
All I really want is for people to say "Obama is a disaster, and Bush wasn't any good either."

I certainly agree with that. Bush II kept the homeland safe after 9/11, and I give him credit for that. Otherwise, he was a terrible.

Obama was handed a bad situation. And Obama made that bad situation much worse.

19 posted on 06/24/2011 7:08:05 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Venturer

Amen to your post.

There is NOTHING in Afghanistan worth another American life—not one.

Like in Vietnam-we are not allowed to fully prosecute war to victory—so, get the hell home.

No matter how long we stay, or how many Tal—ee-bon we kill, guess what—two weeks after we leave, the Taliban will be in control, and Karzai and his brother will be in Switzerland with suitcases full of cash.

We could have stopped the international trade in opium—ain’t gonna happen, will it?

We are on a fool’s errand. Afghanistan is hopeless.

We declare victory and come home. If anyone from Afghanistan hurts us again, then give them the Hiroshima treatment—end of story.

Obama and these generals need a reality check.

It is time to end this thing. Way past time.

It is not about cutting and running—there is nothing to cut and run from.

We cannot change 1400 years of backwardness, not for 20 trillion dollars.

The problem is Pakistan, not Afghanistan anyway.

And you know Obama won’t do a damn thing about them.

Our troops should all come home now.

Stop the insanity.


20 posted on 06/24/2011 7:11:41 AM PDT by exit82 (Democrats are the enemy of freedom. Sarah Palin is our Esther.)
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To: Kaslin
Obama is ending Bush's useless war, for if AQ had not picked Afghanistan, it could have operated in any number of countries. They certainly didn't need a base for what they pulled off here on 9/11. After all, AQ or its equivalent has been allowed its training camps within the US for probably 15 years. So, what was the point? Burning up capital? Wasting our military abroad? More debt? Propping up Europe's oil supply? Making sure everybody uses dollars for oil so that the Fed could go on printing money? What??? That's sure what it looks like.

A "War on Terror" should have been fought here, not by the military, but by the MILITIA. This is what the Second Amendment was designed to address. We should have killed, captured, or expelled every Islamic radical in the country. It would have built the communications and logistics infrastructure by which to preclude our emerging domestic communist threat. We should have built a border that means something.

That is a project Bush never even contemplated, and would have in fact, virulently opposed. Instead, he built the organizational foundations of a police state, fanned his ego with the housing bubble, allowed the Clinton regulatory juggernaut to take the country down. When it finally did, he handed the keys to a communist.

21 posted on 06/24/2011 7:24:33 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: thethirddegree

Obama should be indicted and tried for murder because of his insane rules of engagement.
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YES !!!

AND, any General who wrote them up, or signed off on them.

( Colonel West showed how a true officer values the lives of his men... )


22 posted on 06/24/2011 8:52:40 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Kaslin

Pat Buchanan, right once again....


23 posted on 06/24/2011 10:42:18 AM PDT by Grumplestiltskin (I may look new, but it's only deja vu!)
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To: Kaslin
Buchanan blames Bush.
24 posted on 06/24/2011 11:20:20 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: exit82
I heard a report this morning on Afghanistan's economy. Of their total GDP, 96% is due to military and civilian expenditures and investments from international sources. In other words, the country basically doesn't have an official economy. Drug trade is about it. How do you run a government without any money and no credit? The whole thing has become a joke.
25 posted on 06/24/2011 11:30:05 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Doofer
And the media will be silent until after the fact...

The media, including Fox News, is obsessed with the Kasey Anthony white trash drama right now, and unfortunately many in America are as well. Obama could announce all kinds of things and it would warrant a 30 second mention before they got back to their analysis of Anthony.
26 posted on 06/24/2011 12:04:00 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Kaslin
Frankly, I do want all the troops to come home from Afghanistan as soon as possible. I also want to leave a few goodies behind...... a nuke on every hilltop and valley from Northern Afghanistan down on thru into Pakistan proper. You don't have to convince their hearts and minds if they don't exist anymore.
27 posted on 06/24/2011 12:07:28 PM PDT by Gaffer
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