Skip to comments.NY Legislature legalizes gay marriage
Posted on 06/24/2011 8:06:12 PM PDT by PROCON
ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) - Gay marriage will become legal in New York state after the Republican-led state Senate voted to approve it. Advocates are calling it a historic step as New York stands to become the sixth but by far the largest state to legalize same-sex marriage.
Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo lobbied hard for the bill and has promised to sign it.
The Senate vote is viewed as a major gain in an effort to allow gay marriage nationally.
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I think you are confused as you continue to present a false dichotomy that you call the 'conservative' position e.g. marriage is defined by either the state or by the fed and you seem to miss the true conservative position which is premised upon the unalienable and self evident truths with the added caveat that all powers not given to the fed AND the states is reserved by the people.
The obvious question to ask yourself is WHEN did society decide the state or for that matter ANY government can define marriage?
Marriage, the institution, has been around a long time before this government. It has been valued and given privilege by society because it promotes the common good of society; namely posterity and citizenship.
Homosexual sex promotes disease, death, and self destruction. To suggest it okay and conservative for a government at the state level but not at the federal level to promote and grant privilege to those actions that comprise the destruction of the common good is absurd. Toleration of insanity and stupidity in a free society is one thing; however, institutionalizing and promoting it is quite another.
Best I can tell the desire was to not give free advertising or a gloating soapbox to the liberal/anti-Christ trolls.
But I do not see where there would be any problem at all in posting a "How to respond to the homosexual claim that ..."
Why would any real AMERICAN live in that jackass state?
That’s where I part ways. I’m not for this at all, but you can’t force this on people. If you do.. then force this on Islam you chicken s#$t liberals.
Speaking of gays, did the Home Depot store chain do something recently to support them, or to come out of the closet, itself? I have heard it referred to as “Homo Depot” several times recently.
Home Depot has gone out of its way to actively support, promote and fund the fag agenda. Posted today:
AFA delivers 474K petitions to Home Depot to STOP their support of homosexual agenda
Story on AFA website ^
Posted on Monday, June 20, 2011 6:49:39 AM by Gopher Broke
Home Depot petitions delivered - see their response June 6, 2011
On Thursday, June 3, American Family Association delivered 474,161 petition signatures to Home Depot chairman Frank Blake. AFA also addressed the board of directors and shareholders during their annual meeting.
AFA Vice-president Buddy Smith appealed to Chairman Blake to review Home Depot’s extensive support for homosexual activism and direct the company toward neutrality in the culture war.
Chairman Blake quickly discounted the petitions by reaffirming Home Depot’s commitment to dedicating corporate resources to groups who advocate gay marriage and the advancement of homosexuality and transgenderism.
Of more importance was the instruction not to LOOK BACK!
Once you leave...do not glance back to see the destruction raining down.
“Not a sparrow falls from the sky without His approval”
If I was walking along the street in NY and saw a woman getting raped by some punk, I would do something about it. Wouldn’t you?
Seems like the standard should be the same for him, no?
Are you grasping at straws asking me something so insane? Why do you think I would support something so disgusting?
No, I don’t support sex with the dead, family members or animals. You must be incredibly off asking me such a thing.
That’s very good to know. “Home Depot” already had a number of marks against it in my book, but now knowing about its loathesome support for this kind of deviancy is quite helpful. I have several people I need to inform about this. thanks!
How is homosexuality morally any different?
They are all condemned by God.
Do you even believe in God?
Well, since you think “gay” marriage should be a choice if people want it, why not these other methods of sexual gratification? Many people apparently find them quite enjoyable, why shouldn’t they have a choice, too?
We’re shopping at Lowes’ from now on.
Actually let me amend that a bit...it may not have been the actual fire reigning down that did Lot’s wife in. Maybe it was seeing Christ come down in all his glory that was the death knell for her. Maybe he was actually PHYSICALLY there to judge the inhabitants of Sodom, in a “face-to-face” fashion.
People have gotten nonstop freepmails from fag trolls lately. I’ve gotten at least 20.
So let me guess now, I’m going to be called a gay lover and supporter of the gay agenda because of what I’ve said on here.
I got the same e-mail. But I don't think I am allowed to say so.
I suspect you will hear from the admin moderator before that.
This is disgusting.
I’ve said before I DON’T SUPPORT HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE OR THE GAY AGENDA.
THE NY LEGISLATURE VOTED ON THIS LATE AT NIGHT SO TO AVOID MASS CALLING BY PEOPLE NORTH OF NEW YORK CITY. What would you have liked me to do? Hitchhiked up to Albany a week before the vote? Like I said, they voted in the middle of the night to avoid scrutiny. There was nothing I could do. I found out about it while posting ON HERE that NY legalized it.
By the same sense other states have banned it before NY voted on it. So now there’s a legal battle the Supreme Court must consider. Tell anybody you know to start rapid-firing lawsuits now. Should the Supreme Court agree with a state banning it before NY made their decision to accept it?
No, DBeers, I don’t know when the government decided they were our divine rulers again, and set it out that they decided who may be married. I don’t think my grandparents were born when the government made that decision. To bash me for something the government did a very long time ago is just dumb.
Like I said, there is a now a legal battle brewing, because Alabama banned it before NY allowed it. Pray the Supreme Court decides against gay marriage. There’s absolutely nothing you or I can do as individuals, acting as individuals. What we can do however is to group together and act in such a manner.
I just posted a thread called “Trolls on Rampage” suggesting that people post the names of trolls so mods could zap them quickly but the thread got pulled a couple of minutes later. I guess the fact that people are being inundated with homo-troll freepmail is hush hush.
I got mail from NY 10101, too. I sent him a nice letter telling him that God loves him too much to let him stay the same.
Said something about Jesus didn’t have anything to say about gays in the Bible but to look at the woman caught in adultery. Jesus told her to go and sin no more. Same sexual purity is required of a gay or lesbian.
I also told him about 2 Corinthians 5:17. Hope that will help and change his mind. That is not all I said to him. We have to stand up and tell the people what is right from wrong.
THX 4 the ping.
I'm probably going to get banned for this, but here is what I wrote the same guy:
Re: Re: NY Legislature legalizes gay marriage
To New York 10101 | 06/25/2011 7:16:55 AM PDT sent
You may consider yourself a gay Christian but God considers homosexual behavior to be an abomination and Paul warns that such behavior will lead you to hell. If you are a Christian, then you would repent of your sin and turn to God for forgiveness. If you do not believe that your behavior is sin, then God very well my have turned you over to your lusts.
Romans 1:24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,
All men have sexual desires which can be sinful if done outside the bounds of holy matrimony. But God demands that we set aside our lusts and follow him.
I do not believe that any man who has sexual relations with another man can be a Christian. And if you feel no guilt over your sexual sin, the God has turned you over to your lusts.
You are suffering from a delusion. If you continue down that road, then you will face judgment. You cant stand before God and tell him that you didnt think your behavior was sinful, or blame God for making you that way. God made all men subject to temptation. God put a tree in the middle of the garden and commanded that Adam and Eve not eat of it. But they were tempted to eat it.
God expects us to resist temptation and turn from sin not to give in to our lusts and celebrate the sin.
Just because 21 centuries have passed since Christ walked the earth does not mean that Gods declarations have been watered down or that Gods definition of sin has evolved. Times may change, but Gods word is unchanging.
God destroyed Sodom because the people there celebrated homosexual behavior. Their depravity was a cancer that infected the entire population.
Go ahead and call yourself a Christian. Make excuses for your behavior. You may fool the people, but you wont fool God.
Sin is a serious matter. What you call natural and normal is still sin. Having sex with prostitutes or committing adultery is natural and normal in that all men face such temptations. It is not sin until you give into that temptation.
If your desire is for other men, then you can always choose celibacy. You dont have to sin. You dont have to pretend that what you are doing is good. It isnt. it may feel good, but most sin feels good. If it did not bring us some form of pleasure, we would not be tempted.
Read Romans Chapter 1. Read it over and over and over again until it sinks in.
After you have read it, ask yourself if you really are a gay Christian or just another sinner in need of repentance.
Many times there is nothing we can do about evil except try to prevent it and regardless remain steadfast in calling it what it is.
Anyway, having opposed the homosexual agenda from the beginning and debated and argued the topic for quite some time I have come to realize that in a nutshell the whole agenda can be simplified and distilled down to a simple description. There is a special interest group that promotes evil and in their mind any means are legitimate. Evil does not play by the rules, play fair, or give a damn about anything but itself.
What we see here is simply a morally devoid homosexual sex promoting special interest group that is claiming to be oppressed and politicians using the power of government to free the oppressed. They seek to equalize the outcome, give any and all the ability to play house, get some children to adopt, and get some benefits ALL on the backs of society.
The value that society has long recognized in marriage and family is being redistributed to participants in an activity that is valueless, disordered, depraved, unhealthy, and self destructive.
This flawed robin hood role of taking from the oppressors and giving to the oppressed is something our elected marxist community organizer thrives on; it is his calling and his goal to impose this brand of social justice by any method he can; laws be damned.
Anyway, 'they' call this push for 'social justice' by the terms 'gay rights' and 'marriage equality' BUT REALLY it as the old as the failures of man, it is a proven epic failure of an ideology that has went by such names as marxism, socialism, communism and liberation theology in the past.
IT will fail again; of that I am sure; however, there might be a painful spell between now and then.
No. I continue to assume you are on the side of America.
In case you haven't been following the thread, yesterday I got accused of "actively promoting the homosexual agenda" for posting that same letter and then it was deleted.
Thank you, and thank you for that not short-ish post explaining what it is as its core.
It’s danny h. The little pervert is getting his jollies by tweaking you guys. Don’t post or respond to his garbage. it only feeds his twisted ego and encourages him. Kill the troll by starving him of his craving for attention. If you receive one of his messages, just hit the abuse button on any thread and let the moderators know. They will delete his account.
What is the proper response?
By the way, God doesn’t love trolls. That’s why he created the zot button.
I don't know who these trolls are. I took him at his word when he claimed he thought he was a "gay Christian" and decided that I should provide him with a little religious instruction. I also thought that it would be important to share that instruction with other freepers so they would know how to respond to these claims of being "gay Christians" or other such nonsense.
I don't mind my posts being taken down, but I was accused of "actively promoting the homosexual agenda" by posting my response. I don't see it that way. I also don't see why we should have to temper our free speech here simply because it might give an ego boost to some perverted troll.
Sorry to have brought you into this spat. If you don't want us to post our responses to freep mail trolls, then I will abide by your decision. But I do disagree with your reasoning.
The Admin moderator.
I never said God loved him. I told him he was going to go to hell if he didn't repent. ;-)
However, I do think you post had some very valuable information. Maybe it would be okay in the future if you posted them without the troll's name? Maybe Jim would agree that this would be reasonable.
Remember Ash and his hundreds of accounts and hundreds of people responding to his every post? Well, this little troll is Ash on steroids. No thanks. We don’t need his putrid trash posted to FR.
Please. I’d rather not have people posting freepmails. Just delete them and let the moderators know.
Would P-M's response (without any mention of the troll's ID) be okay?
I got it too...just home from work. These perverts leaving their stench all over FR...the perverts haven’t a clue the good people of their state are already at work to turn this ‘thing’ back around.
Can’t get over their total lack of maturity....supporting perverts is as if they are one IMO.
Absolutely outstanding post, Quix!
Thank you for being there whenever we band together against a common enemy.
1.) Every Catholic in New York needs to petition their Bishop — and the Pope — to have excommunicated any Catholic who voted to instate this abomination. In particular, you MUST target Governor Cuomo.
2.) Every American, not presently a resident in one of the states that has imposed this absurdity, must contact your state representatives to enact legislation that outlaws this practice, and ALSO refuses to recognize any of these “unions” authorized by other states.
3.) Be prepared to use armed force, if necessary, to prevent this from coming to your state.
4.) The reprobate homosexuals have declared war on civilization ... we must respond in kind. Stop them, by any means available, before they exterminate civilization.
This is a life and death struggle. Act accordingly.
Am opposed to moral relativism which you apparently are not. There are absolutes and it makes not one iotta difference if someone believes it or not....the standards have been established. Change those standards then who decides what is acceptable or not? There has to be a ppoint of reference.....”each man going his own way will kill a society”....History attests to that.
...and they will rush to do so as long as this door is now open... and the legislators will lay down the red carpet as they enter. The "rights" of the majority will be their sacrificial cow.