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NY Legislature legalizes gay marriage
AP ^ | June 24, 2011 | MICHAEL GORMLEY

Posted on 06/24/2011 8:06:12 PM PDT by PROCON

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To: wastedyears
Why are you trying to say I’m supporting something when I specifically said I don’t support it? You’re like the MSM saying Conservatives are against all immigration, when we’re against people illegally crossing our borders. It’s misinformation, and you’re not helping the Conservative cause.

I think you are confused as you continue to present a false dichotomy that you call the 'conservative' position e.g. marriage is defined by either the state or by the fed and you seem to miss the true conservative position which is premised upon the unalienable and self evident truths with the added caveat that all powers not given to the fed AND the states is reserved by the people.

The obvious question to ask yourself is WHEN did society decide the state or for that matter ANY government can define marriage?

Marriage, the institution, has been around a long time before this government. It has been valued and given privilege by society because it promotes the common good of society; namely posterity and citizenship.

Homosexual sex promotes disease, death, and self destruction. To suggest it okay and conservative for a government at the state level but not at the federal level to promote and grant privilege to those actions that comprise the destruction of the common good is absurd. Toleration of insanity and stupidity in a free society is one thing; however, institutionalizing and promoting it is quite another.

451 posted on 06/26/2011 9:24:05 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: P-Marlowe; xzins; Quix; Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson
Thank you so very much for your insights, dear brother in Christ, and for your encouragements!

Best I can tell the desire was to not give free advertising or a gloating soapbox to the liberal/anti-Christ trolls.

But I do not see where there would be any problem at all in posting a "How to respond to the homosexual claim that ..."


452 posted on 06/26/2011 9:31:50 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: PROCON

Why would any real AMERICAN live in that jackass state?


453 posted on 06/26/2011 10:14:47 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: juliej

That’s where I part ways. I’m not for this at all, but you can’t force this on people. If you do.. then force this on Islam you chicken s#$t liberals.


454 posted on 06/26/2011 10:15:18 AM PDT by CommieCutter (Promote Liberal Extinction: Support gay marriage and abortion!)
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To: Gene Eric

Speaking of gays, did the Home Depot store chain do something recently to support them, or to come out of the closet, itself? I have heard it referred to as “Homo Depot” several times recently.


455 posted on 06/26/2011 10:18:45 AM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: DBeers
Toleration of insanity and stupidity in a free society is one thing; however, institutionalizing and promoting it is quite another.

Exactly.

456 posted on 06/26/2011 10:20:25 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: 2harddrive

Home Depot has gone out of its way to actively support, promote and fund the fag agenda. Posted today:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2737153/posts

AFA delivers 474K petitions to Home Depot to STOP their support of homosexual agenda
Story on AFA website ^

Posted on Monday, June 20, 2011 6:49:39 AM by Gopher Broke

Home Depot petitions delivered - see their response June 6, 2011

On Thursday, June 3, American Family Association delivered 474,161 petition signatures to Home Depot chairman Frank Blake. AFA also addressed the board of directors and shareholders during their annual meeting.

AFA Vice-president Buddy Smith appealed to Chairman Blake to review Home Depot’s extensive support for homosexual activism and direct the company toward neutrality in the culture war.

Chairman Blake quickly discounted the petitions by reaffirming Home Depot’s commitment to dedicating corporate resources to groups who advocate gay marriage and the advancement of homosexuality and transgenderism.


457 posted on 06/26/2011 10:22:26 AM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: F15Eagle

Of more importance was the instruction not to LOOK BACK!

Once you leave...do not glance back to see the destruction raining down.


458 posted on 06/26/2011 12:33:48 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Nickname

“Not a sparrow falls from the sky without His approval”

If I was walking along the street in NY and saw a woman getting raped by some punk, I would do something about it. Wouldn’t you?

Seems like the standard should be the same for him, no?


459 posted on 06/26/2011 12:40:41 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: little jeremiah

Are you grasping at straws asking me something so insane? Why do you think I would support something so disgusting?

No, I don’t support sex with the dead, family members or animals. You must be incredibly off asking me such a thing.


460 posted on 06/26/2011 1:05:01 PM PDT by wastedyears (SEAL SIX makes me proud to have been playing SOCOM since 2003.)
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To: little jeremiah

That’s very good to know. “Home Depot” already had a number of marks against it in my book, but now knowing about its loathesome support for this kind of deviancy is quite helpful. I have several people I need to inform about this. thanks!


461 posted on 06/26/2011 1:05:39 PM PDT by greene66
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To: wastedyears; little jeremiah
No, I don’t support sex with the dead, family members or animals. You must be incredibly off asking me such a thing.

How is homosexuality morally any different?

They are all condemned by God.

Do you even believe in God?

462 posted on 06/26/2011 1:07:32 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: wastedyears

Well, since you think “gay” marriage should be a choice if people want it, why not these other methods of sexual gratification? Many people apparently find them quite enjoyable, why shouldn’t they have a choice, too?


463 posted on 06/26/2011 1:09:44 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: greene66

We’re shopping at Lowes’ from now on.


465 posted on 06/26/2011 1:11:59 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: F15Eagle

Actually let me amend that a bit...it may not have been the actual fire reigning down that did Lot’s wife in. Maybe it was seeing Christ come down in all his glory that was the death knell for her. Maybe he was actually PHYSICALLY there to judge the inhabitants of Sodom, in a “face-to-face” fashion.


466 posted on 06/26/2011 1:12:45 PM PDT by Soothesayer9
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To: Soothesayer9

People have gotten nonstop freepmails from fag trolls lately. I’ve gotten at least 20.


467 posted on 06/26/2011 1:12:52 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: DBeers; All

So let me guess now, I’m going to be called a gay lover and supporter of the gay agenda because of what I’ve said on here.


468 posted on 06/26/2011 1:20:20 PM PDT by wastedyears (SEAL SIX makes me proud to have been playing SOCOM since 2003.)
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To: Soothesayer9; Admin Moderator; Alamo-Girl; xzins; PROCON
Got this in my mail:...
— I am sure we’ll hear from the pedos and furries next, LOL

I got the same e-mail. But I don't think I am allowed to say so.

I suspect you will hear from the admin moderator before that.

469 posted on 06/26/2011 1:25:35 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; little jeremiah; DBeers

This is disgusting.

I’ve said before I DON’T SUPPORT HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE OR THE GAY AGENDA.

THE NY LEGISLATURE VOTED ON THIS LATE AT NIGHT SO TO AVOID MASS CALLING BY PEOPLE NORTH OF NEW YORK CITY. What would you have liked me to do? Hitchhiked up to Albany a week before the vote? Like I said, they voted in the middle of the night to avoid scrutiny. There was nothing I could do. I found out about it while posting ON HERE that NY legalized it.

By the same sense other states have banned it before NY voted on it. So now there’s a legal battle the Supreme Court must consider. Tell anybody you know to start rapid-firing lawsuits now. Should the Supreme Court agree with a state banning it before NY made their decision to accept it?

No, DBeers, I don’t know when the government decided they were our divine rulers again, and set it out that they decided who may be married. I don’t think my grandparents were born when the government made that decision. To bash me for something the government did a very long time ago is just dumb.

Like I said, there is a now a legal battle brewing, because Alabama banned it before NY allowed it. Pray the Supreme Court decides against gay marriage. There’s absolutely nothing you or I can do as individuals, acting as individuals. What we can do however is to group together and act in such a manner.


470 posted on 06/26/2011 1:30:04 PM PDT by wastedyears (SEAL SIX makes me proud to have been playing SOCOM since 2003.)
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To: P-Marlowe

I just posted a thread called “Trolls on Rampage” suggesting that people post the names of trolls so mods could zap them quickly but the thread got pulled a couple of minutes later. I guess the fact that people are being inundated with homo-troll freepmail is hush hush.


471 posted on 06/26/2011 1:41:09 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: COBOL2Java

I got mail from NY 10101, too. I sent him a nice letter telling him that God loves him too much to let him stay the same.
Said something about Jesus didn’t have anything to say about gays in the Bible but to look at the woman caught in adultery. Jesus told her to go and sin no more. Same sexual purity is required of a gay or lesbian.
I also told him about 2 Corinthians 5:17. Hope that will help and change his mind. That is not all I said to him. We have to stand up and tell the people what is right from wrong.


472 posted on 06/26/2011 1:46:31 PM PDT by Buddygirl
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To: Alamo-Girl

THX 4 the ping.


473 posted on 06/26/2011 1:52:12 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: Buddygirl; Alamo-Girl; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; xzins; little jeremiah; COBOL2Java; ...
I got mail from NY 10101, too. I sent him a nice letter telling him that God loves him too much to let him stay the same.

I'm probably going to get banned for this, but here is what I wrote the same guy:

Re: Re: NY Legislature legalizes gay marriage
To New York 10101 | 06/25/2011 7:16:55 AM PDT sent

You may consider yourself a “gay Christian” but God considers homosexual behavior to be an abomination and Paul warns that such behavior will lead you to hell. If you are a Christian, then you would repent of your sin and turn to God for forgiveness. If you do not believe that your behavior is sin, then God very well my have turned you over to your lusts.

Romans 1:24 Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the dishonoring of their bodies among themselves,

All men have sexual desires which can be sinful if done outside the bounds of holy matrimony. But God demands that we set aside our lusts and follow him.

I do not believe that any man who has sexual relations with another man can be a Christian. And if you feel no guilt over your sexual sin, the God has turned you over to your lusts.

You are suffering from a delusion. If you continue down that road, then you will face judgment. You can’t stand before God and tell him that you didn’t think your behavior was sinful, or blame God for making you that way. God made all men subject to temptation. God put a tree in the middle of the garden and commanded that Adam and Eve not eat of it. But they were tempted to eat it.

God expects us to resist temptation and turn from sin not to give in to our lusts and celebrate the sin.

Just because 21 centuries have passed since Christ walked the earth does not mean that God’s declarations have been watered down or that God’s definition of sin has evolved. Times may change, but God’s word is unchanging.

God destroyed Sodom because the people there celebrated homosexual behavior. Their depravity was a cancer that infected the entire population.

Go ahead and call yourself a “Christian”. Make excuses for your behavior. You may fool the people, but you won’t fool God.

Sin is a serious matter. What you call natural and normal is still sin. Having sex with prostitutes or committing adultery is natural and normal in that all men face such temptations. It is not sin until you give into that temptation.

If your desire is for other men, then you can always choose celibacy. You don’t have to sin. You don’t have to pretend that what you are doing is good. It isn’t. it may feel good, but most sin feels good. If it did not bring us some form of pleasure, we would not be tempted.

Read Romans Chapter 1. Read it over and over and over again until it sinks in.

After you have read it, ask yourself if you really are a “gay Christian” or just another sinner in need of repentance.

474 posted on 06/26/2011 1:52:22 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: wastedyears
Like I said, there is a now a legal battle brewing, because Alabama banned it before NY allowed it. Pray the Supreme Court decides against gay marriage. There’s absolutely nothing you or I can do as individuals, acting as individuals. What we can do however is to group together and act in such a manner.

Many times there is nothing we can do about evil except try to prevent it and regardless remain steadfast in calling it what it is.

Anyway, having opposed the homosexual agenda from the beginning and debated and argued the topic for quite some time I have come to realize that in a nutshell the whole agenda can be simplified and distilled down to a simple description. There is a special interest group that promotes evil and in their mind any means are legitimate. Evil does not play by the rules, play fair, or give a damn about anything but itself.

What we see here is simply a morally devoid homosexual sex promoting special interest group that is claiming to be oppressed and politicians using the power of government to free the oppressed. They seek to equalize the outcome, give any and all the ability to play house, get some children to adopt, and get some benefits ALL on the backs of society.

The value that society has long recognized in marriage and family is being redistributed to participants in an activity that is valueless, disordered, depraved, unhealthy, and self destructive.

This flawed robin hood role of taking from the oppressors and giving to the oppressed is something our elected marxist community organizer thrives on; it is his calling and his goal to impose this brand of social justice by any method he can; laws be damned.

Anyway, 'they' call this push for 'social justice' by the terms 'gay rights' and 'marriage equality' BUT REALLY it as the old as the failures of man, it is a proven epic failure of an ideology that has went by such names as marxism, socialism, communism and liberation theology in the past.

IT will fail again; of that I am sure; however, there might be a painful spell between now and then.

475 posted on 06/26/2011 1:53:42 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: PROCON
Ping to 474.
476 posted on 06/26/2011 1:54:46 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: wastedyears
So let me guess now, I’m going to be called a gay lover and supporter of the gay agenda because of what I’ve said on here.

No. I continue to assume you are on the side of America.

477 posted on 06/26/2011 1:56:50 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: P-Marlowe
Great post!
478 posted on 06/26/2011 1:58:22 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: wagglebee; Alamo-Girl; xzins; little jeremiah; PROCON
Great post!

In case you haven't been following the thread, yesterday I got accused of "actively promoting the homosexual agenda" for posting that same letter and then it was deleted.

479 posted on 06/26/2011 2:02:58 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: DBeers

Thank you, and thank you for that not short-ish post explaining what it is as its core.


480 posted on 06/26/2011 2:03:55 PM PDT by wastedyears (SEAL SIX makes me proud to have been playing SOCOM since 2003.)
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To: P-Marlowe; little jeremiah

It’s danny h. The little pervert is getting his jollies by tweaking you guys. Don’t post or respond to his garbage. it only feeds his twisted ego and encourages him. Kill the troll by starving him of his craving for attention. If you receive one of his messages, just hit the abuse button on any thread and let the moderators know. They will delete his account.


481 posted on 06/26/2011 2:03:58 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Admin Moderator
I just have received two PMs from two I suspect as leftist trolls that suck from the barren homosexual tit that the left provides its useful idiots. They call me a bigot and full of hate.

What is the proper response?

482 posted on 06/26/2011 2:04:35 PM PDT by DBeers (†)
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To: P-Marlowe

By the way, God doesn’t love trolls. That’s why he created the zot button.


483 posted on 06/26/2011 2:06:44 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl; xzins; little jeremiah; PROCON
Who accused YOU of promoting homosexuality?
484 posted on 06/26/2011 2:09:24 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; Alamo-Girl; little jeremiah; PROCON; xzins; wagglebee
If you receive one of his messages, just hit the abuse button on any thread and let the moderators know.

I don't know who these trolls are. I took him at his word when he claimed he thought he was a "gay Christian" and decided that I should provide him with a little religious instruction. I also thought that it would be important to share that instruction with other freepers so they would know how to respond to these claims of being "gay Christians" or other such nonsense.

I don't mind my posts being taken down, but I was accused of "actively promoting the homosexual agenda" by posting my response. I don't see it that way. I also don't see why we should have to temper our free speech here simply because it might give an ego boost to some perverted troll.

Sorry to have brought you into this spat. If you don't want us to post our responses to freep mail trolls, then I will abide by your decision. But I do disagree with your reasoning.

Marlowe

485 posted on 06/26/2011 2:12:42 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: wagglebee; Admin Moderator
Who accused YOU of promoting homosexuality?

The Admin moderator.

486 posted on 06/26/2011 2:13:56 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Jim Robinson
By the way, God doesn’t love trolls. That’s why he created the zot button.

I never said God loved him. I told him he was going to go to hell if he didn't repent. ;-)

487 posted on 06/26/2011 2:15:43 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Alamo-Girl

AMEN. AMEN.


488 posted on 06/26/2011 2:16:08 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: P-Marlowe; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator; Alamo-Girl; little jeremiah; PROCON; xzins
I can see why Jim doesn't want to give the troll a platform. I've been getting FReepmails from pro-sodomy trolls for about a year. I just forward them to Jim and the AM.

However, I do think you post had some very valuable information. Maybe it would be okay in the future if you posted them without the troll's name? Maybe Jim would agree that this would be reasonable.

489 posted on 06/26/2011 2:20:29 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: P-Marlowe

Remember Ash and his hundreds of accounts and hundreds of people responding to his every post? Well, this little troll is Ash on steroids. No thanks. We don’t need his putrid trash posted to FR.


490 posted on 06/26/2011 2:21:29 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: wagglebee

Please. I’d rather not have people posting freepmails. Just delete them and let the moderators know.

Thanks


491 posted on 06/26/2011 2:23:19 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Jim Robinson; P-Marlowe
We don’t need his putrid trash posted to FR.

Would P-M's response (without any mention of the troll's ID) be okay?

492 posted on 06/26/2011 2:23:48 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Jim Robinson
Okay.
493 posted on 06/26/2011 2:25:29 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: Soothesayer9

I got it too...just home from work. These perverts leaving their stench all over FR...the perverts haven’t a clue the good people of their state are already at work to turn this ‘thing’ back around.

Can’t get over their total lack of maturity....supporting perverts is as if they are one IMO.


494 posted on 06/26/2011 3:48:37 PM PDT by caww
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To: Quix

Absolutely outstanding post, Quix!

Thank you for being there whenever we band together against a common enemy.


495 posted on 06/26/2011 3:55:02 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: PROCON

1.) Every Catholic in New York needs to petition their Bishop — and the Pope — to have excommunicated any Catholic who voted to instate this abomination. In particular, you MUST target Governor Cuomo.

2.) Every American, not presently a resident in one of the states that has imposed this absurdity, must contact your state representatives to enact legislation that outlaws this practice, and ALSO refuses to recognize any of these “unions” authorized by other states.

3.) Be prepared to use armed force, if necessary, to prevent this from coming to your state.

4.) The reprobate homosexuals have declared war on civilization ... we must respond in kind. Stop them, by any means available, before they exterminate civilization.

This is a life and death struggle. Act accordingly.


497 posted on 06/26/2011 4:08:43 PM PDT by TCH (DON'T BE AN "O-HOLE"! ... DEMAND YOUR STATE ENACT ITS SOVEREIGNTY !When a majority of the American)
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To: wastedyears

Am opposed to moral relativism which you apparently are not. There are absolutes and it makes not one iotta difference if someone believes it or not....the standards have been established. Change those standards then who decides what is acceptable or not? There has to be a ppoint of reference.....”each man going his own way will kill a society”....History attests to that.


498 posted on 06/26/2011 4:09:42 PM PDT by caww
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To: MHGinTN
The degenerates have been planning their cluster fraud for years. Now that the degenerate embracing legislators have given them their cover they will leap into the public psyche with their pants down.

...and they will rush to do so as long as this door is now open... and the legislators will lay down the red carpet as they enter. The "rights" of the majority will be their sacrificial cow.

500 posted on 06/26/2011 4:17:22 PM PDT by caww
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