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Where gay matrimony meets elite sanctimony
The Weekend Australian ^ | June 25, 2011 | Frank Furedi

Posted on 06/24/2011 8:52:17 PM PDT by AustralianConservative

Whatever one thinks about the pros and cons of gay marriage, a tolerant society cannot deny the right of homosexual couples to formalise their relationship. But the campaign for gay marriage is not just about rights but about the contestation of values and attitudes.

From a sociological perspective, the ascendancy of the campaign for gay marriage provides a fascinating story about the dynamics of the cultural conflicts that prevail in Western society. During the past decade the issue of gay marriage has been transformed into a cultural weapon that explicitly challenges prevailing norms through condemning those who oppose it. This is not so much a call for legal change as a cause: one that endows its supporters with moral superiority and demotes its opponents with the status of moral inferiority.

As a result, it does not simply represent a claim for a right but a demand for the institutionalisation of new moral and cultural values. This attitude was clearly expressed last weekend by Trevor Phillips, chairman of Britain's Equality and Human Rights Commission. The burden of his argument was to accuse Christians, particularly evangelicals, of being more troublesome than Muslims in their attitudes towards mainstream views. In particular he warned that "an old-time religion incompatible with modern society" was driving Christians to clash with mainstream views, especially on gay issues. Incidentally, by "mainstream" he naturally means views he endorses.

Phillips's use of language implies opponents of gay marriage are likely to be motivated by "old-time religion", which is by definition "incompatible with modern society". From this standpoint, criticism or the questioning of the moral status of gay marriage violates the cultural standards of "modern society". What we have here is the casual affirmation of a double standard: tolerance towards supporters of gay marriage and intolerance directed towards its opponents.

(Excerpt) Read more at theaustralian.com.au ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: christophobia; extremists; gaymarriage
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/commentary/where-gay-matrimony-meets-elite-sanctimony/story-e6frgd0x-1226081594098
1 posted on 06/24/2011 8:52:23 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: AustralianConservative
Whatever one thinks about the pros and cons of gay marriage, a tolerant society cannot deny the right of homosexual couples to formalise their relationship.

BS

2 posted on 06/24/2011 8:54:48 PM PDT by doc1019 (You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.)
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To: doc1019

There are obviously some things society should not be tolerant of.


3 posted on 06/24/2011 8:57:27 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: AustralianConservative

Yeah. Christian conservatives are just so much worse to homosexuals than barbaric Muslims are to homosexuals.

Liberalism is not only a mental disorder, but fundamentally, it’s a spriritual disorder.


4 posted on 06/24/2011 8:57:58 PM PDT by WXRGina
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To: ilovesarah2012

AMEN!


5 posted on 06/24/2011 8:58:49 PM PDT by doc1019 (You do not need a parachute to skydive. You only need a parachute to skydive twice.)
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To: doc1019
Read past the beginning.

The intolerant gays are the bad guys in this article.

6 posted on 06/24/2011 9:00:08 PM PDT by what's up
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To: AustralianConservative
. The burden of his argument was to accuse Christians, particularly evangelicals, of being more troublesome than Muslims in their attitudes towards mainstream views.

Yeah, try selling this "marriage" in Iran. Let's see how tolerant and enlightened muslims really are.

7 posted on 06/24/2011 9:02:20 PM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: AustralianConservative

Tolerance? LOL

Don’t make me laugh. I;m in Hollywood and the faggots are the most INTOLERANT bastards aside from liberals I know of. You say something that you disagree with and they pounce on you like Muslims on a white woman. I’ve seen it firsthand here. They have liberal politicians doing their dirty work to pass laws because they know the populace disagrees with their degenerate puke lifestyle.

And a city full of AID/HIV TEST billboards at every major intersection. Yep, I love L.A. (VOMIT0


8 posted on 06/24/2011 9:04:25 PM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: AustralianConservative
"Phillips's use of language implies opponents of gay marriage are likely to be motivated by "old-time religion", which is by definition "incompatible with modern society". From this standpoint, criticism or the questioning of the moral status of gay marriage violates the cultural standards of "modern society". What we have here is the casual affirmation of a double standard: tolerance towards supporters of gay marriage and intolerance directed towards its opponents."

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It's the tolerant people who stifle debate and urge the shunning of the "intolerant". It's the tolerant ones who shout down the "intolerant" in public forums. Whenever I learn that someone is tolerant, I prepare myself for vicious personal attacks and backstabbing attempts to silence opposition.

9 posted on 06/24/2011 9:11:07 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: AustralianConservative

“Whatever one thinks about the pros and cons of gay marriage, a tolerant society cannot deny the right of homosexual couples to formalise their relationship.”

An opinion stated as fact.

Otherwise known as bullshit.


10 posted on 06/24/2011 9:11:11 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: AustralianConservative

“Whatever one thinks about the pros and cons of gay marriage, a tolerant society cannot deny the right of homosexual couples to formalise their relationship.”

An opinion stated as fact.

Otherwise known as bullshit.


11 posted on 06/24/2011 9:11:24 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: YankeeReb

“Let’s see how tolerant and enlightened muslims really are. “

Hanging can be considered “tolerance”, right?


12 posted on 06/24/2011 9:12:08 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: headstamp 2

Yeah, I agree, that statement sounds sanctimonious too.


13 posted on 06/24/2011 9:14:19 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: max americana

I’m also aware that homosexual domestic violence is very high (another fact you don’t read in the media).


14 posted on 06/24/2011 9:16:21 PM PDT by AustralianConservative
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To: what's up
Read past the beginning. The intolerant gays are the bad guys in this article.

You can't forgive and get past this deplorable, false statement:
"Whatever one thinks about the pros and cons of gay marriage, a tolerant society cannot deny the right of homosexual couples to formalise their relationship."

15 posted on 06/24/2011 9:17:44 PM PDT by fwdude (Prosser wins, Goonions lose.)
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To: AustralianConservative

“Yeah, I agree, that statement sounds sanctimonious too.”

It’s otherwise a very good article.


16 posted on 06/24/2011 9:20:04 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (We live two lives, the life we learn and the life we live with after that.)
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To: fwdude

The article goes on to paint “tolerance” in a bad light.


17 posted on 06/24/2011 9:20:34 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: AustralianConservative
"This is not so much a call for legal change as a cause: one that endows its supporters with moral superiority and demotes its opponents with the status of moral inferiority."

Exactly. It's a direct attack on the Judeo-Christian underpinnings of our society and culture. Without those, any sort of activity will be considered OK, and that's what they want.

They use the compassion of Christians against us, by appealing to Christians who have lost their tether to morality, and making them feel bad for being judgemental about someone else's behavior. The homosexual activists want to engage in any sort of activity that might be considered sinful, and they don't want anyone to pass judgement on their behavior.

18 posted on 06/24/2011 9:31:43 PM PDT by SuziQ
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a tolerant society cannot deny the right of homosexual couples to formalise their relationship

This can be done without any sort of 'marriage'. Activists convince those who are wavering that they HAVE to be able to marry because they can't do the things that married people can do like inherit property, make decisions for each other in the hospital, etc. The truth is they CAN do those things with legal contracts, etc.

Civil Unions would do the trick, and they could be set up so that any two people could take advantage of them. A single man could form a civil union with his elderly mother, or two elderly sisters or brothers could do so, so that decisions could be made easily without any interference by any civil authorities. Setting them up this way would remove the notion of them being especially for homosexuals, and take the idea of 'homosexual marriage' off the table, because marriage would be unnecessary to attain the things they say they want.

19 posted on 06/24/2011 10:01:21 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: AustralianConservative; All
Straight people don't want to hear about this crap.


20 posted on 06/24/2011 10:02:59 PM PDT by Cobra64 (Common sense isn't common anymore.)
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To: headstamp 2

Good catch. Some contracts are indeed illegals, and perhaps gay cooperation should be likened to gang making.


21 posted on 06/24/2011 10:31:10 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: headstamp 2

The other salient point is that so called “gay tolerance” is an actual gay cult movement forcing people to pay taxes for its enforcement of evil destructive values on those not infected by it.

It’s like the old time plague. Places where people built walls to stay away from dirty people who were tolerant of rats in their neighborhoods got raided by mobs of the sick zombies.

Folkes, we are living a sort of “zombie apocalypse” and the gays are it.


22 posted on 06/24/2011 10:33:54 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: AustralianConservative
from the article -

In the Anglo-American world, gay marriage has become one of those causes through which the cosmopolitan cultural elites define themselves and construct a moral contrast between themselves and ordinary folk

Ah, yes, the cosmopolitan cultural elites. I know the breed quite well, having been raised and educated in their midst. They are wrong, damnably wrong, not just on gay marriage but on every issue that they harp about -- and they secretly know it! Yet, despite getting it wrong every time, they have the unmitigated gall to think of themselves as "smarter" than the rest of us.

Whether as perpetrators, or as enablers, literally every evil currently afoot in our society can be laid at their feet. So, as far as I'm concerned, those cosmopolitan cultural elites, can burn in hell.

Fortunately, according to Scripture, that's exactly what's going to happen to them.

23 posted on 06/24/2011 11:34:42 PM PDT by Rytwyng (I'm still fond of the United States. I just can't find it. -- Fred Reed)
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“Paradoxically, in some quarters the idea that marriage for heterosexuals is no big deal coincides with the cultural sacralising of a same-sex union.”

Compassion for all! As society goes down the toilet. Pagan times are back under the banner of liberation from Judeao Christian values. Throw off the chains of the church, accept the new easy morality... morality doesn’t have to be hard or painful or point the finger at you. Accept the new dispensation. It’s all cool. And be a spoiled brat while your at it, too. Be a cool hippie and say, “Do your own thing, man.” Hollywood loves it. Wear shades and say, “Far out, man. When do I get the free stuff?” A society of Cheech and Chong will emerge, who are free and liberated from the onerous shackles of traditional cultural values, who are sublime in their liberating vulgarity, who have no shame or sense of right and wrong because they were told not to discriminate... yes, anything goes.

But what ends up going in the end is civilization and what ends up coming is a new tyranny that will not be compassionate nor tolerant.


24 posted on 06/25/2011 12:06:11 AM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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Hi! A question if I may. I have relatives in Perth, Sydney, Melbourne and Canberra and my opinion of Australia was that it was increasing “post-Christian” — is that a wrong opinion? I suspect I’m giving it a blanket stereotype.


25 posted on 06/25/2011 1:34:30 AM PDT by Cronos ( W Szczebrzeszynie chrzaszcz brzmi w trzcinie I Szczebrzeszyn z tego slynie.)
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