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Is it right for Yahoo! to snoop on your emails?
Which? ^ | 6/24/11 | Arlene Martin

Posted on 06/24/2011 11:13:17 PM PDT by LibWhacker

Yahoo! Mail plans to snoop on your emails. Accepting its updated T&Cs give it the right to read your messages and target relevant advertising. Would you be happy if your emails were analysed in this way?

It’s eight in the evening, you’re juggling a glass of wine and a sneaky fag in one hand, while emailing away with the other. You’re venting to your best friend about the latest slings and arrows of outrageous fortune to have befallen your life; secure in the knowledge that nobody’s eavesdropping on your conversation.

Well, before you raise your glass in a congratulatory toast at this self recognition, you need to revisit that last comment, especially if Yahoo! Mail (Yahoo!) is your email service provider.

Why? Because Yahoo! Mail, Which? Computing has learned, is currently in the process of updating its terms and conditions to allow it to read and analyse its customers’ emails and messaging content.

Yahoo! Mail’s updated T&Cs

The world’s largest email provider has said that if you agree to its Additional Terms of Service (ATOS), you’re giving it your express permission to scan and analyse the content of any electronic correspondence sent by your account.

Why is it scanning your emails? In short, to target relevant content and advertising – this is something the email provider lets you opt-out of, but not the scanning itself.

To a certain extent we have no issue with this, if consent is being given freely. The only thing we would say is make sure you read the T&Cs, because if you don’t you’re in for a nasty shock. We do, however, have an issue with Section C. of the ATOS, which states:

‘By using the Services, you consent to allow our automated systems to scan and analyse all incoming and outgoing communications content sent and received from your account (such as Mail and Messenger content including instant messages and SMS messages).

‘If you consent to this ATOS and communicate with non-Yahoo! users using the Services, you are responsible for notifying those users about this feature.’

In other words, it’s saying that it will go on to do the same with any emails sent to your inbox, even if these senders have not given their express consent for this to take place (as they may not use Yahoo! Mail).

Can senders really give consent?

Yahoo! also says it’s apparently down to you to notify senders that their emails are now being analysed, which implies that once this has taken place senders have given their consent. Obviously, we have concerns with this, our main one being whether it’s even possible to get consent vicariously?

We’ve put a few of these questions to the Home Office and will update you as soon as we hear from it. In the meantime, if you object to Yahoo!’s new terms, we suggest you switch to a different email provider.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: email; privacy; snoop; yahoo; yahooemail
Too bad I can't get anyone I know interested in using encryption, lol.
1 posted on 06/24/2011 11:13:21 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Is there any web email that doesn’t do this?

Give up all pretense of privacy ye who enter here.


2 posted on 06/24/2011 11:17:34 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: LibWhacker

I assume that Yahoo and the rest have been doing this and have always done this and will always do this, then proceed from there.


3 posted on 06/24/2011 11:18:32 PM PDT by mountainbunny
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To: DeFault User

Good question. At least Yahoo’s admitting it.


4 posted on 06/24/2011 11:18:37 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker
Google does this.

Not long ago, I received an invitation to a party. Google decorated it with several relevant ads and directions to the party location.

5 posted on 06/24/2011 11:22:05 PM PDT by cynwoody
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To: DeFault User

Gmail does also. I assume Hotmail does also. You want ad-free pay for it.


6 posted on 06/24/2011 11:22:24 PM PDT by matt04
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To: LibWhacker

only IF you agree to the TOS...

but at least i don’t have gmail. Never heard of an e-mail which asks you for a for a phone number to verify who you are...

I do have MAIL.COM which is awesome, free and better than Yahoo! The drawback is that it is an AP product, so just bear with the Obama ass-kissing headlines like Yahoo.


7 posted on 06/24/2011 11:24:17 PM PDT by max americana (.)
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To: matt04

I use yahoo, gmail, myway, lycos and hotmail as junk mail addresses when signing up for any web subscriptions, surveys, whatever. They collect all the crap and I use my real email (pop) for correspondence with friends.


8 posted on 06/24/2011 11:26:48 PM PDT by DeFault User
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To: LibWhacker

Anyone know a free or low-cost alternative email provider that is 100% committed to user privacy?


9 posted on 06/24/2011 11:33:05 PM PDT by risen_feenix
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To: DeFault User

I would hope hushmail doesn’t, but who knows..


10 posted on 06/24/2011 11:46:00 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: risen_feenix

I would try www.hushmail.com

They *seem* to be very privacy minded. But, can you really say they are? Maybe they’re a honeypot. It’s all a gamble.


11 posted on 06/24/2011 11:47:05 PM PDT by Tolsti2
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To: LibWhacker; onyx; penelopesire; maggief; hoosiermama; SE Mom; Fred Nerks; Red Steel; ...

Thanks for posting. Just sent to all the yahoo users on my list. This stinks... jeeesh. FYI: sbcglobal.net email is also Yahoo.


12 posted on 06/25/2011 12:14:28 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: matt04
Gmail does also. I assume Hotmail does also. You want ad-free pay for it.

Apple will be offering free email without ads when they start the iCloud service in September.

13 posted on 06/25/2011 12:19:07 AM PDT by stripes1776
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To: stripes1776

It isn’t the ads .. it’s the intrusion of your privacy, reading emails.


14 posted on 06/25/2011 12:31:32 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: LibWhacker

Doubleplusungood!


15 posted on 06/25/2011 12:35:47 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: STARWISE
It isn’t the ads .. it’s the intrusion of your privacy, reading emails.

Unless you encrypt your email, it's not secure regardless of your email server.
16 posted on 06/25/2011 1:00:31 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: LibWhacker

bookmark


17 posted on 06/25/2011 1:11:12 AM PDT by GOP Poet (Obama is an OLYMPIC failure.)
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To: LibWhacker

Gmail has been doing this for ages.

The problem with encryption is so few people use it that it it’s almost certainly a red flag for multiple agencies.


18 posted on 06/25/2011 1:14:31 AM PDT by expat1000
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To: LibWhacker

Well, it sounds like Yahoo is going to add content-associated advertisements to your incoming email. If this is all, why not be specific about the warning, that this is how they support a free email service. Few users would complain if they knew why, and if they knew that Yahoo would not reveal anyone’s identity to any advertiser, and those still concerned would, as you suggest, encrypt the content (and presumably get a random advertisement each time).


19 posted on 06/25/2011 1:42:29 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Is there a simple, free way to do that or is it a paid deal?


20 posted on 06/25/2011 1:45:25 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: risen_feenix

I host my own website, so I use that for e-mail. Even there, I’m not sure who might be looking at the mail.


21 posted on 06/25/2011 2:23:30 AM PDT by Ingtar (Together we go broke (from a Pookie18 post))
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To: Tolsti2

Later


22 posted on 06/25/2011 3:49:10 AM PDT by I_be_tc
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To: LibWhacker

“It’s eight in the evening, you’re juggling a glass of wine and a sneaky fag in one hand.....”

The state of New York approves of this article...celebutards reaction tweets to follow.


23 posted on 06/25/2011 4:06:06 AM PDT by JoshuaLawrenceChamberlain
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To: LibWhacker
Good way to kill email
24 posted on 06/25/2011 4:19:28 AM PDT by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: LibWhacker

I’m working on some friends to get them to adopt GnuPG. It’s great and not at all difficult to use. My client is Thunderbird so I’m using the Enigmail add on.


25 posted on 06/25/2011 4:21:43 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: LibWhacker

saving


26 posted on 06/25/2011 5:07:39 AM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: LibWhacker
It's just the first step to censorship of dissent with the government and outright identification of 'dissidents'.

That's what you get when you sign up for free email service. Probably the same thing with your paid-email provider, too - only they're not telling you about it.

Hell, NSA is scanning anything that pushes electrons and photons from one place to another.

27 posted on 06/25/2011 5:10:57 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: LibWhacker

That little old lady sitting in the back room reading your emails. Damn get out the tin foils hats.


28 posted on 06/25/2011 5:19:00 AM PDT by org.whodat
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To: LibWhacker

Is it right? is it right? how silly. It can be done and it can be done cheaply. It will, therefore, be done. That applies to all government and big company snooping. The technology exists and the expense is minute alongside everything else and for a company the profit from the advertising that snooping makes possible is great. The only point of laws against this sort of thing is to prevent the evidence so gathered by the government to be used against you openly in court.


29 posted on 06/25/2011 5:35:48 AM PDT by arthurus (Read Hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson.")
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To: NewHampshireDuo
"I’m working on some friends to get them to adopt GnuPG. It’s great and not at all difficult to use. My client is Thunderbird so I’m using the Enigmail add on."

I use GnuPG for some personal uses, but not email, where I don't have any control or influence over most of the various recipients.

I once experimented with encryption of email for work purposes and if you didn't sign up for a paid certificate with one of the major services, the email program at work would refuse to decrypt it, saying the source was untrusted.

I guess you get around the certificate problem by using this strictly for email with people you know so you can exchange keys directly?

30 posted on 06/25/2011 6:20:28 AM PDT by HangThemHigh (Entropy's not what it used to be.)
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To: STARWISE

Hushmail.com


31 posted on 06/25/2011 10:10:27 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: Tolsti2

I love my hushmail. The money spent is well worth it. One thing I like is that I can send it encrypted and if someone else gets into the computer of the recipient, they cannot read the email unless they know the secret word that I have given in person to the recipient.


32 posted on 06/25/2011 10:13:02 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: STARWISE

Exactly! I use hushmail. I also have an aol and a yahoo email but I use them for BS things and I rarely use them. They can read away on those. They will get nothing. If I start getting spam, I delete the accounts and make a new one. You can have 100 yahoo accounts at the same time, same with aol.


33 posted on 06/25/2011 10:15:42 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

I encrypt all of my emails from my main email account.


34 posted on 06/25/2011 10:17:04 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: org.whodat

Not the little old lady..... but if you don’t have an issue with it, email away. I’ll pass and they won’t read mine pal.


35 posted on 06/25/2011 10:18:42 AM PDT by mojitojoe ( 1400 years of existence & Islam has 2 main accomplishments, psychotic violence and goat curry)
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To: DeFault User

http://www.safe-mail.net/


36 posted on 06/25/2011 10:22:32 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet)
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To: mojitojoe

Thank you!


37 posted on 06/25/2011 10:30:43 AM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE
You can use free open-source software like GnuPG - the installer comes with a plugin for Outlook and also a complete email client (Claws) which supports encryption. You can then configure either Outlook or the provided Claws email client to use your Yahoo or Gmail account. Your email can be encrypted so it's unreadable by anyone who doesn't have either your public key or a supercomputer to break the encryption.

There's also a Firefox plugin which lets you encrypt Gmail messages.

Personally, I don't bother, since most email recipients will not go to the trouble of setting up email clients which can read encrypted email - it's best to remember that email is insecure and can be read by anyone with access to the SMTP servers routing your email to it's destination, including Gmail and Yahoo SMTP servers.
38 posted on 06/25/2011 10:53:31 AM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: STARWISE
It isn’t the ads .. it’s the intrusion of your privacy, reading emails.

Yes, I agree that reading your email is intrusive. But the reason Google and Yahoo read your email is to target you with ads. If you send a message to a sibling about buying your father a fishing pole for Father's Day, you will get ads in your next emails about fishing equipment.

If you get a free email account with a company, and that company doesn't push ads to you, then there is no motivation to read your email. Apple's free email service with iCloud will be ad free.

39 posted on 06/25/2011 12:34:25 PM PDT by stripes1776
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To: AnotherUnixGeek

Thank you ... gawd, I wish I could grasp that stuff.
I’m just SO non-techie. Configuring all that stuff would put me in total brain freeze, with a migraine and utter babbling confusion. What do you think of hushmail for privacy?


40 posted on 06/25/2011 2:05:14 PM PDT by STARWISE (The overlords are in place .. we are a nation under siege .. pray, go Galt & hunker down)
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To: STARWISE
What do you think of hushmail for privacy?

I have no experience with it. Sounds like they provide encryption and a Web UI for email - if you and your recipients are willing to install clients or plugins to take care of the encryption/decryption and remember each others passphrases, you can have the same thing for free with tools like GnuPG.
41 posted on 06/25/2011 3:25:03 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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To: expat1000

“The problem with encryption is so few people use it that it it’s almost certainly a red flag for multiple agencies.”

How would they even know it’s encrypted?

Isn’t it just an attachment you send?


42 posted on 06/25/2011 3:36:25 PM PDT by webstersII
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To: HangThemHigh

I have only used it for email to friends from personal accounts, no business accounts. And yes, GnuPG has other uses too.


43 posted on 06/25/2011 4:00:23 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: webstersII
I guess you could send it as an attachment, but PGP is typically right in the body of the message.
This whole thread is about gmail and Yahoo reading your email - of course they would know - even without the -PGP- header it inserts. But as an attachment, possibly zipped and password protected - I am not sure.
44 posted on 06/25/2011 9:30:50 PM PDT by expat1000
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To: Slings and Arrows
You’re venting to your best friend about the latest slings and arrows of outrageous fortune to have befallen your life; secure in the knowledge that nobody’s eavesdropping on your conversation.

Honorable mention ping.

45 posted on 06/26/2011 10:59:12 AM PDT by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others provide citations.)
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To: OneLoyalAmerican

I keep busy.


46 posted on 06/26/2011 11:09:16 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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