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The Netherlands to Abandon Multiculturalism
Hudson New York ^ | June 23, 2011 | Soeren Kern

Posted on 06/25/2011 10:04:30 AM PDT by Mount Athos

The Dutch government says it will abandon the long-standing model of multiculturalism that has encouraged Muslim immigrants to create a parallel society within the Netherlands.

A new integration bill which Dutch Interior Minister Piet Hein Donner presented to parliament on June 16, reads: "The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model and plans to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people. In the new integration system, the values of the Dutch society play a central role. With this change, the government steps away from the model of a multicultural society."

The letter continues: "A more obligatory integration is justified because the government also demands that from its own citizens. It is necessary because otherwise the society gradually grows apart and eventually no one feels at home anymore in the Netherlands. The integration will not be tailored to different groups."

The new integration policy will place more demands on immigrants. For example, immigrants will be required to learn the Dutch language, and the government will take a tougher approach to immigrants to ignore Dutch values or disobey Dutch law.

The government will also stop offering special subsidies for Muslim immigrants because, according to Donner, "it is not the government's job to integrate immigrants." The government will introduce new legislation that outlaws forced marriages and will also impose tougher measures against Muslim immigrants who lower their chances of employment by the way they dress. More specifically, the government will impose a ban on face-covering Islamic burqas as of January 1, 2013.

If necessary, the government will introduce extra measures to allow the removal of residence permits from immigrants who fail their integration course.

The measures are being imposed by the new center-right government of Conservatives (VVD) and Christian Democrats (CDA), with parliamentary support from the anti-Islam Freedom Party (PVV), whose leader, Geert Wilders, is currently on trial in Amsterdam for "inciting hatred" against Muslims.

As expected, Muslim organizations in Holland have been quick to criticize the proposals. The Moroccan-Dutch organization Samenwerkingsverband van Marokkaanse Nederlanders, which advises the government on integration matters, argues that Muslim immigrants need extra support to find a job. The umbrella Muslim group Contactorgaan Moslims en Overheid says that although it agrees that immigrants should be better integrated into Dutch society, it is opposed to a ban on burqas.

But polls show that a majority of Dutch voters support the government's skepticism about multiculturalism. According to a Maurice de Hond poll published by the center-right newspaper Trouw on June 19, 74 percent of Dutch voters say immigrants should conform to Dutch values. Moreover, 83 percent of those polled support a ban on burqas in public spaces.

The proper integration of the more than one million Muslims now living in Holland has been a major political issue ever since 2002, when Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn was assassinated for his views on Muslim immigration, and since 2004, when Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh was stabbed to death for producing a movie that criticized Islam.

Muslim immigration to the Netherlands can be traced back to the 1960s and 1970s, when a blue collar labor shortage prompted the Dutch government to conclude recruitment agreements with countries like Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia and Turkey. In the 1980s and 1990s, Muslims also arrived in the Netherlands as asylum seekers and refugees, mainly from Afghanistan, Bosnia, Iran, Iraq, Pakistan and Somalia.

There are now an estimated 1.2 million Muslims in the Netherlands, which is equivalent to about 6 percent of the country's overall population. Moroccans and Turks comprise nearly two-thirds of all Muslims in the Netherlands. Most Muslims live in the four major cities of the country: Amsterdam, Rotterdam, The Hague and Utrecht.

As their numbers grow, Muslim immigrants have become increasingly more assertive in carving out a role for Islam within Dutch society. For example, a documentary aired by the television program Netwerk in June 2009 reported that Dutch law was being systematically undermined by the growth of Sharia justice in the Netherlands.

In December 2004, the Dutch Ministry of the Interior published a 60-page report titled From Dawa to Jihad. Prepared by the Dutch intelligence agency AIVD, the report says that the Netherlands is home to up to 50,000 radical Muslims whose key ideological aim is to target the Western way of life and to confront Western political, economic, and cultural domination.

The report concludes that Dutch society is poorly equipped to resist the threat of radical Islam because of "a culture of permissiveness" that has become synonymous with "closing one's eyes" to multiple transgressions of the law.

As for Interior Minister Donner, he has undergone a late-in-life conversion on the issue of Muslim immigration. In September 2006, while serving as justice minister, Donner provoked an outcry after saying that he welcomed the introduction of Islamic Sharia law in the Netherlands if the majority wants it. He also said Holland should give Muslims more freedoms to behave according to their traditions.

After applauding Queen Beatrix for respecting Islam by not insisting that a Muslim leader shake hands with her during a visit to the Mobarak Mosque in The Hague, Donner said: "A tone that I do not like has crept into the political debate on integration. A tone of: 'Thou shalt assimilate. Thou shalt adopt our values in public. Be reasonable, do it our way.' That is not my approach."

Fast forward to 2011 and Donner now says his government "will distance itself from the relativism contained in the model of a multicultural society." Although society changes, he says, it must not be "interchangeable with any other form of society."


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KEYWORDS: dutch; geertewilders; holland; immigration; islam; moslems; multiculturism; muslim; netherlands
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1 posted on 06/25/2011 10:04:35 AM PDT by Mount Athos
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To: Mount Athos

Hooray! Other countries will now follow the leader.


2 posted on 06/25/2011 10:06:37 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Mount Athos

Let`s go Dutch.


3 posted on 06/25/2011 10:10:21 AM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: Mount Athos

I predict that things wil go real bad real quick over there.Muzzies never give up their gains easily.


4 posted on 06/25/2011 10:10:52 AM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Mount Athos
Just as Holland did here, the Germans did with the Turks. Now the country is over run with them. Germany is basically a Turk state now with all of them there. Back in the 1980s, when I was in Munich, one of my German employees in our legal office told me that a huge apartment building across the street from her allowed a Turk family to move in. Within a week, there were at least 25 Turks in that apartment and within a year, all the Germans had moved and the Turks had the entire building.

We had one Turk that worked for our outdoor rec section and he and his family lived in a portion of the building over at the softball, baseball and high school football complex in Munich. He was suppose to keep up the place. He never did anything. We had to cut the grass ourselves, prepare the fields, even get the idiot to open the rest rooms on game days was a chore. Munich had thousands of them back then. Probably more Turks in Munich now than Germans.

5 posted on 06/25/2011 10:10:52 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor. 15: 1-4; THE gospel of grace spelled out for all the lost. This is the way to Heaven.)
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To: Mount Athos

Maybe they’d like to try a different flavor of immigrant. We could sent them a few million of our Mexicans. We’ll trade them for a few hundred thousand hot blonds.


6 posted on 06/25/2011 10:12:09 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Mount Athos

Well at least THAT experiment is over and won’t have to be repeated.


7 posted on 06/25/2011 10:12:31 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: expatpat

The proper integration of the more than one million Muslims now living in Holland has been a major political issue ever since 2002, when Dutch politician Pim Fortuyn was assassinated for his views on Muslim immigration, and since 2004, when Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh was stabbed to death for producing a movie that criticized Islam.

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yep. and it will only take another 10 years, for them to learn asking nicely for them to assimilate won’t work either.
and by then, it will be 2 million, not 1...

sadly, time is on THEIR side, not ours.
and as the demographics swing more their way,
it will become harder to do what is necessary.

how long ago did Oriana Fallaci start warning them ?
even Mark Steyn’s book “America Alone” is many years old now...


8 posted on 06/25/2011 10:14:17 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Mount Athos
Gert Wilders was acquitted of the inciting hate charges on Thursday. When I started reading the article, I assumed that this finding was what emboldened the government to issue these new guidelines.

We still have Holder and "his people" to deal with, as well as racist socialist/democrats. Until they join American society, we will always be a House divided.

9 posted on 06/25/2011 10:15:15 AM PDT by jonascord (The Drug War Rapes the Constitution.)
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To: Mount Athos

I wonder what happens when 1.2 million mozzies get a bad case SJS

Sudden jihad syndrome


10 posted on 06/25/2011 10:15:56 AM PDT by Popman (Obama. First Marxist to turn a five year Marxist plan into a 4 year administration.)
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To: Mount Athos

Yet another social(istic) experiment fails!


11 posted on 06/25/2011 10:18:13 AM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Mount Athos

“Multiculturalism” destroys national identity. Without national identity, you do not have a nation. You’ve got nothing but a mob of morons fighting over a bigger piece of the pie. Multiculturalism and diversity is the cancer that is killing America. We are no longer one united people. We are a bunch of greedy tribes constantly at one another’s throats.


12 posted on 06/25/2011 10:18:55 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (When the going gets tough, the tough check themselves into "rehab".)
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To: Mount Athos

Good! Waking up to a caveman mentality everyday does take it’s toll.


13 posted on 06/25/2011 10:21:41 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

A forgotten word in America is “assimilation” and we are the worse for it.


14 posted on 06/25/2011 10:22:49 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (Congress doesn't care a damn about "we the people")
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To: Popman

If 1.2 Muslims living in the Netherlands get a bad case of SJs, I would guess the Dutch government would provide an antidote-the gun control policy of the Swiss.


15 posted on 06/25/2011 10:23:00 AM PDT by Maine Mariner
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Without national identity, you do not have a nation.

That is the hidden goal of Soros and the socialists. Hence the open borders, the care and feeding of illegals, etc. They want to get rid of nations and let World Govt. (the UN on steroids)to take over our lives.

16 posted on 06/25/2011 10:25:04 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Mount Athos

They are getting it. Finally.

Let’s just hope it’s not too late.

If the Dutch are serious, the Muslims traditional reaction is to get violent, because within their philosophy is the inherent conviction that Islam is superior and must be physically fought for. And it does not play well with others.


17 posted on 06/25/2011 10:25:15 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: LearsFool

and we’re not much behind.
we’re using taxpayer money, to fund “Gulen” schools in Texas and Virgina, and to help build mosques.

the Muslim Brotherhood’s OWN official plan is in stage 3,
the chief aide of the U.S. Secretary of State has ties to be M.B., and yet Herman Cain gets attacked for being an “Islamophobe” ?!?

http://shariahthethreat.org/a-short-course-1-what-is-shariah/a-short-course-14-the-muslim-brotherhood%e2%80%99s-strategic-plan/


18 posted on 06/25/2011 10:26:45 AM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: Mount Athos
The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model and plans to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people.
Wow, a gubmint w/ balls, albeit, it took a long time to grow a set.
In a just world, any US politician who puts the needs and wants of illegal aliens ahead of America citizens should be tarred, feathered and ... and ... worse.
19 posted on 06/25/2011 10:26:45 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: RetiredArmy

You might say the Germans facilitated the worst demographic trade-off of all time, six million Jews for 2.6 million Turks, as of Jan. 2008.


20 posted on 06/25/2011 10:28:03 AM PDT by lbryce (BHO:Satan's Evil Twin)
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To: New Jersey Realist

It worked in the late 1800’s when America was led by a competent population. Assimilation now is a joke.


21 posted on 06/25/2011 10:29:46 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Multiculturalism and diversity is the cancer that is killing America. We are no longer one united people.
My retort to any minority who claims "we" want them to at like whitey is - no, we want you to act like Americans.
Fifty years of Liberalism has totally destroyed "black america" and they still don't get it.
22 posted on 06/25/2011 10:30:46 AM PDT by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: expatpat

Girt Wilders was right! He wins! Now it’s time for this country to ‘follow the leader.’


23 posted on 06/25/2011 10:31:25 AM PDT by ArmyTeach (Our liberties we prize and our rights we will maintain ... Iowa 61)
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To: Mount Athos
At least their liberals can admit to a mistake. Ours.., never!
24 posted on 06/25/2011 10:32:09 AM PDT by Shqipo (I am the unofficial originator of the Mega-Bump! Only use judiciously.)
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To: Mount Athos
Actually, so-called multiculturism follows the theory of evolution:

If a new aggressive species is introduced into another species` habitat and its rate of reproduction exceeds that of the host species, the former with decimate the latter:

Survival of the fittest.

Solution:

1. no introduction

2. removal of introduced aggressive species to original habitat

25 posted on 06/25/2011 10:32:11 AM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: Mount Athos

My daughter just completed studying in Utrecht. She was there from January this year until about a week ago. I visited her in Utrecht a couple weeks ago and we went to Amsterdam together and, I must say, I was shocked at the number of muslims in those two cities. There really are two separate worlds living together there.

To see all those people straight from the backwards 7th century living among the great Renaissance cities of Netherlands is a jarring juxtaposition.

This is really great news and perhaps there is hope for preserving Europe and Western Civilization yet. Now if only the hedonism and socialism would recede, and birth rates begin climbing toward replacement.


26 posted on 06/25/2011 10:34:31 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Mount Athos

Too Late ! Europe is over. The infestation that is Islam will out breed any other race. Their numbers alone will destroy whats left of Europe.


27 posted on 06/25/2011 10:38:06 AM PDT by dbrew2u
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...The new integration policy will place more demands on immigrants. For example, immigrants will be required to learn the Dutch language, and the government will take a tougher approach to immigrants to ignore Dutch values or disobey Dutch law....

FINALLY... The way it should be in any country.

Immigrants either adapt and change or get the hell out. And this goes for myself!.. an immigrant once, American Citizen now.

It is ridiculous the extend to which this country goes to "accommodate" its new population. Every immigrant should master English by the third year with special allowances for older (over 40) or very old people, of course.

But more than anything else, WE, the country must be able to CHOOSE whom we want here... NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND! We should be able - and we can - take control of our borders first.. etc etc etc etc.

Every Latin/Hispanic person knows, that if OUR countries/governments delivered what their populations need... THEN why would we want to come here or anywhere else?

We come here to reach/achieve/get/enjoy... what it's so difficult to get in our own countries... For ourselves and our families. We want to be part of this great nation and CONTRIBUTE to its greatness... but we definitively don't want a place LIKE THE ONES WE LEFT... That would not make sense, would it?

28 posted on 06/25/2011 10:42:36 AM PDT by ElPatriota (The SILENCE of the Catholic Church in protecting our culture from perversion is ** DEAFENING **)
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To: dbrew2u
Too Late ! Europe is over. The infestation that is Islam will out breed any other race. Their numbers alone will destroy whats left of Europe.

Welfare allows a high birth rate. It's another story if they have to support their own kids from their own earnings.

Muslim immigration is stressing the European "social safety net" to the breaking point. When it finally breaks, it will be very ugly. I can see the Europeans conducting mass expulsions of economically-unproductive immigrants in order to hold off their own economic collapse.

29 posted on 06/25/2011 10:58:33 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: Mount Athos

Damn, at least one government thinks it’s majority culture is worth saving. Wish ours did.


30 posted on 06/25/2011 11:02:31 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Muslim Brotherhood (renames itself) the Liberty and Justice Party. NOT A JOKE.)
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To: RetiredArmy
"He was suppose to keep up the place. He never did anything."

I'd like to point out - THAT's the problem!

31 posted on 06/25/2011 11:04:40 AM PDT by Dacus943
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To: Mount Athos

Notice the part where those who did not learn to become Dutch can have their residence permits revoked. Thus, this new approach could lead to deportation and fewer Muslims. Given that most will not adapt, let’s hope this leads to significant deportations.


32 posted on 06/25/2011 11:11:08 AM PDT by WashingtonSource
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To: RetiredArmy

“...all the Germans had moved...”

Same way our wonderful US cities became ‘inner cities’ with white flight. God forbid people stand their ground and say “this is my house, you follow my rules.” Flight is easier than fighting, I guess.

One of my adult children is an emphatic bleeding heart, pro-immigrant type. I cannot wait, just cannot wait, to visit their new home next month. Their “house rules” are 1) remove shoes upon entering and 2) absolutely positively no smoking. Guess who will NOT take off her shoes and who will light up within five minutes of entering the abode ???


33 posted on 06/25/2011 11:16:46 AM PDT by EDINVA
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To: Farmer Dean

Agreed - expect the bombings/beheadings to begin.


34 posted on 06/25/2011 11:20:11 AM PDT by jonno (Having an opinion is not the same as having the answer...)
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To: expatpat

It’s about time.

Progressive leftists opened the door and invited in the roaches with the firm belief that you can reason with roaches and the roaches will respect your home.

All you get is more roaches.


35 posted on 06/25/2011 11:20:22 AM PDT by plangent
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To: New Jersey Realist
A forgotten word in America is “assimilation” and we are the worse for it.

I remember in gradeschool, we were taught that America was a "melting pot" where people came from all over the world and became American. This was later changed, and we should consider America a mosaic - a single picture but with each individual retaining a unique identity.

Europe is discovering it needs a melting pot.

36 posted on 06/25/2011 11:22:13 AM PDT by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Mount Athos

I was surprised to see that Netherlands runs a healthy trade surplus same as the Germans. This means they have high IQ and can manufacture high IQ products the world wants to buy. So why on earth would they allow millions of barbaric Muslims to enter their civilized country? Which I visited a while back
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http://web.archive.org/web/20060617191123/http://www.childrenofmillennium.org/heroes/downfall.htm

The Downfall of the Netherlands
Land of the Naive Fools

by Mohammed Rasoel


37 posted on 06/25/2011 11:26:23 AM PDT by dennisw (NZT - "works better if you're already smart")
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To: Mount Athos

Bump!


38 posted on 06/25/2011 11:28:09 AM PDT by GonzoII (Quia tu es, Deus, fortitudo mea...Quare tristis es anima mea?)
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To: Mount Athos

Bingo. When the Dutch, who have probably been the foremost proponents of multiculturalism, have seen the results as the destruction of their own culture, the tide may be turning.

One can only hope that our MSM will report this.


39 posted on 06/25/2011 11:41:56 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Elendur

Way before that (maybe the 60s?) there was a prominent British politician who warned about unrestricted immigration into Britain from her former/current colonies.

He was exciorated in the press and basically run out of politics. Now it appears that there are enclaves in London where the government has virtually ceded authority to the radical muslim street.

Paris has the same problem.


40 posted on 06/25/2011 11:47:34 AM PDT by wildbill (You're just jealous because the Voices talk only to me.)
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To: Mount Athos
The idiocy called "multi-culturalism," grows out of the absurd fantasy that people are interchangeable. If you look more deeply into the corruption of academic disciplines to support the idea that people are interchangeable, you will find that underlying such notions is the humanist pursuit of a one world order--a tyranny called World Government--where the qualities that make any people exceptional will be suppressed for the pretense of human equality.

For background on this corruption, see Myths & Myth Makers In American "Higher" Education.

People need to rediscover their roots. It is not wrong to try to preserve the spiritual, cultural & material achievements of your forebears. Drowning such in a sea of Egalitarian make believe, serves the interest of no people, anywhere on earth. It is a form of the insane humanist hubris that Nimrod displayed in ancient times at Babel. But it serves the interests of no one but scoundrels and demagogues.

One might also suggest, that for any person in Government to advocate surrendering the concept that a sovereign nation exists for its own people, is tantamount to treason. Quisling was no hero to Norway!

William Flax

41 posted on 06/25/2011 11:49:26 AM PDT by Ohioan
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To: eyedigress
Assimilation is now ass immolation.
42 posted on 06/25/2011 11:51:35 AM PDT by JPG (Hey, LSM, how are those emails workin' out for ya?)
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To: RetiredArmy

A Solution will need to be found for these lay about Turks. Something that may be not so pretty—but a solution is needed.
That or let the nation become part of a corrupt Sultanate. The Germans must stand up or bow down to Mecca—it is their choice. If they bow down—they deserve the chains that the Turks will impose upon them. Sucks to be you-—Not long ago there was a Germany who wouldn’t let this happen to them. Maybe, if you pray or beg, Russia will come in and kick out the Turkish Power—If your lucky. Better to be slaves to a Christian Russia than an Islamic Turkey.


43 posted on 06/25/2011 11:58:34 AM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: central_va

They would be so much better off with Mexicans—they speak a European Language, work hard, and they are devout Christians. The Europeans should be bringing them in by the boat load as well as other south Americans.


44 posted on 06/25/2011 12:00:27 PM PDT by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

Actually the Netherlands was once ruled by the King of Spain


45 posted on 06/25/2011 12:08:08 PM PDT by Eternal_Bear
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To: Mount Athos
The Dutch multiculturalism model - is that what our political leaders are pushing?? ditto all of Europe??

has a dirty secret been exposed??

46 posted on 06/25/2011 12:09:57 PM PDT by elpadre (AfganistaMr Obama said the goal was to "disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaeda" and its allies.)
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To: Farmer Dean

The Moose of Holland are now in Dutch!


47 posted on 06/25/2011 12:25:06 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Mount Athos
....”presented to parliament on June 16, reads: “The government shares the social dissatisfaction over the multicultural society model and plans to shift priority to the values of the Dutch people. In the new integration system, the values of the Dutch society play a central role. With this change, the government steps away from the model of a multicultural society.”

The letter continues: “A more obligatory integration is justified because the government also demands that from its own citizens. It is necessary because otherwise the society gradually grows apart and eventually no one feels at home anymore in the Netherlands. The integration will not be tailored to different groups.” .....

Way to go and they will not be sorry for tuning the tide! Let it be a warning to all nations who choose to loose their identity and culture to another countries ideology.

48 posted on 06/25/2011 12:31:07 PM PDT by caww
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To: Ohioan
The idiocy called "multi-culturalism," grows out of the absurd fantasy that people are interchangeable. If you look more deeply into the corruption of academic disciplines to support the idea that people are interchangeable, you will find that underlying such notions is the humanist pursuit of a one world order--a tyranny called World Government--where the qualities that make any people exceptional will be suppressed for the pretense of human equality.

Worth a repost.

49 posted on 06/25/2011 12:32:58 PM PDT by caww
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To: dbrew2u

Though what the Netherlands has done to combat this...it does remain to be seen if they are successful at curbing this tide. Already Mulim groups are opposing this and you can bet their courts will now again be full of the Muslims claiming the injustice of it all. This isn’t going to go away at the stroke of a pen by anymeans....but at least they have drawn the line in the sand....clearly.

The USA still does not get it and will continue it’s downward slide....like putty in the Islamic agendas hands...and they know it.


50 posted on 06/25/2011 12:39:53 PM PDT by caww
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