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Amos and Andy and The Book of Mormon
The Washington Post - National ^ | June 15, 2011 | John Mark Reynolds

Posted on 06/25/2011 10:48:16 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy

The creators of the play Book of Mormon have created the Amos and Andy for the South Park set. We may laugh, but our grandchildren will shudder as decent folk do at “wits” of the last century whose favorite dance was to “jump Jim Crow.”

The parts of the Book of Mormon I have seen are as innovative as a Newsies revival and as funny as the cruel, tasteless jokes told by an inebriated coworker at a Christmas party. The difference is that the coworker might sober up in the morning, but the mindless mockery that also gave us South Park will continue.

After all, the theater establishment toasted the two with Tony’s and the insiders would never cheapen themselves by rewarding a play for picking on a minority religion loathed in the theater community or behave like decadent Romans horrified by a growing moral minority comforting the libertines by mocking the moral.

I cannot know for sure without seeing the entire play. If we assume the play a brilliant satire with PR unfortunate enough to release only the cruel and facile bits, then we are still left with two unfortunate truths about this play. First, the writers are cowards. They inflict pain and mockery on those already despised while going soft on the tired assumptions of their rich and powerful patrons. Second, in a pluralistic society they have targeted a group already misunderstood and discriminated against.

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They shoot Mormons, don't they?
1 posted on 06/25/2011 10:48:19 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy
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To: Saundra Duffy

No LDS ping list remains as far as I can determine. The Mormons have pretty much either been banned or banned themselves from FR. So the anti Mormons can rip and tear to their hearts’ desire.


2 posted on 06/25/2011 10:52:35 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Its Trey Parker and Matt Stone, they rip on everybody...What else do you expect?


3 posted on 06/25/2011 10:58:30 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Saundra Duffy

4 posted on 06/25/2011 10:58:36 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: darkwing104

I thought it might be interesting to read the comments from a REAL Christian for a change.


5 posted on 06/25/2011 11:03:42 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Of course no group has been as cruelly treated as African-Americans, but Mormons have a history of being persecuted. They have been exiled in their own land, but have returned unfailing devotion to our Constitution.

This new play will pander to our prejudices and treat our Mormon neighbors as we would never wish to be treated. Some Americans will allow it to confirm unthinking prejudice, while cowardly Mormons will applaud it hoping for crumbs of respectability.

Meanwhile the actual Mormons in our midst will keep paying taxes, making strong families with children, and dying to protect the rights of a decayed and decadent theater “elite.”

I stand in solidarity with my Mormon neighbors.


6 posted on 06/25/2011 11:04:23 AM PDT by restornu (I really do need to give up my summer cottage in Babylon...Love One Another... God Bless America!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

By REAL Christian, I mean an evangelical who hasn’t bought into the anti Mormon crap.


7 posted on 06/25/2011 11:04:45 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: darkwing104

“What else do you expect?”

Exactly. Thanks for making my case.


8 posted on 06/25/2011 11:06:17 AM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Second, in a pluralistic society they have targeted a group already misunderstood and discriminated against.

They preach polygamy, baptism for the dead, a ridiculous set of dietary laws, and that their prophet is the one true prophet, all from extrabiblical sources, the use of which is forbidden by scripture.

And I misunderstanding anything here?
9 posted on 06/25/2011 11:06:22 AM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country.----------In the same way Rush is balance, I am consensus.)
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To: Saundra Duffy
By REAL Christian, I mean an evangelical who hasn’t bought into the anti Mormon crap.

Sorry Saundra, but a REAL Christian would never buy into all that Mormon Crap.

10 posted on 06/25/2011 11:07:43 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Saundra Duffy
ALSO: This bears repeating ad infinitum:

Mormonism and Islam
11 posted on 06/25/2011 11:08:32 AM PDT by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country.----------In the same way Rush is balance, I am consensus.)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Well if it upsets the Mormans that much, all they have to do is send a couple death threats to the creators, that's all it took from the Muslims and Southpark hasn't touched either Islam or Muhammad with a ten foot pole since then...
12 posted on 06/25/2011 11:10:31 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Saundra Duffy

I don’t know this play, but I don’t consider LDS a minor religion. They are akin to Islam in that they practice polygamy where permitted, have huge families, enforce patriarchy, aggressively though not violently convert, and both faiths began with prophets, Moroni and Mohannad.

The play writers also did “Jesus Christ Super Star”, didn’t they? I didn’t see that either, but I saw “he movie, “The Passion of the Christ”. I unequivocally recommend the latter.


13 posted on 06/25/2011 11:15:18 AM PDT by Paperdoll (NO MORE BUSHS!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
I thought it might be interesting to read the comments from a REAL Christian for a change.

Well excuse me. This is no excuse for the play or what the writers are saying about a religious sect, or many would say a cult. Know what you are dealing with. The Mormon faith isn't the only religion mocked by these men. Before you take the high road understand first the demons you take with you...

Fear of the Lord is the foundation of true knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline. - Proverbs 1:7


14 posted on 06/25/2011 11:15:18 AM PDT by darkwing104 (Lets get dangerous)
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To: Saundra Duffy
I've always found Southpark’s treatment of Mormon to be relatively mild and balanced (by Southpark standards). Basically, Mormon's are portrayed as decent, honorable, well meaning people who just happen to have some rather loopy ideas.
15 posted on 06/25/2011 11:17:29 AM PDT by apillar
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To: Saundra Duffy

I don’t have TV, but I’ve seen the South Park Mormon episode. Knowing what I do about Mormonsim I was amazed at how candid (and accurate) they were about the stuff many people - and even mormons - don’t know about the roots of their own religion.

What is more interesting is that many people I work with who hate South Park, know of that episode and also like it.

I’m not familiar with this play, but just like a Romney candidacy, anything that can get people to start asking, “what does mormonism teach, anyway?” is a really good thing.


16 posted on 06/25/2011 11:25:17 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: darkwing104

>>Its Trey Parker and Matt Stone, they rip on everybody...What else do you expect? <<

Yes, but with some it hits closer to home than with others. The “dirt” is more serious and/or comical.


17 posted on 06/25/2011 11:26:39 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: arderkrag

Magic underwear?


18 posted on 06/25/2011 11:26:55 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: restornu

Actually, anything that gets out the actual truth is a good thing.

Unthinking prejudice? Yeah, I see a lot of that about all sorts of groups. My “prejudice” regarding mormonism is based on a mountain of learning, knowledge and understanding. I actually almost became a mormon around 1980, but even before the internet one could find the information needed to make the correct decision. Now it is too easy.

Heck, just go to youtube and search mormonism.

And speaking of mormon neighbors, a friend of mine, after watching “The Godmakers” back around 1986, said, “now I know why my mormon neighbor killed herself after her mormon husband divorced her.”


19 posted on 06/25/2011 11:31:45 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: RobRoy; Saundra Duffy; restornu; arderkrag
Actually, anything that gets out the actual truth is a good thing.

Too bad one of the biggest, if not the biggest, impediments to getting out the actual truth is organized religion.

20 posted on 06/25/2011 11:40:36 AM PDT by bigheadfred ( He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds.)
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To: arderkrag; Colofornian; Elsie; FastCoyote; svcw; Zakeet; SkyPilot; rightazrain; Tennessee Nana; ...
They preach polygamy, baptism for the dead, a ridiculous set of dietary laws, and that their prophet is the one true prophet, all from extrabiblical sources, the use of which is forbidden by scripture.

Don't leave out the fact that they send 52,000 missionaries out every day to tell Christians that their faith is false and the only way to salvation is through Joseph Smith's fictitious scam.

Persecuted, my butt...multi-million dollar TV and radio campaigns and thousands of internet sites demanding to be seen as Christians with their anti-Christian doctrine...and they whine about a handful of Christians posting the truth on FR.

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The MittBots are invading again.

21 posted on 06/25/2011 11:42:14 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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They shoot Mormons, don't they?

No, but mormons shot defenseless men, women and children in the past didn't they.

What an entrance after your little hiatus SD. And start right off the bat with the victim card.

22 posted on 06/25/2011 11:48:48 AM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: restornu

I guess you’re not a south park fan...


23 posted on 06/25/2011 11:50:52 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: bigheadfred

>>Too bad one of the biggest, if not the biggest, impediments to getting out the actual truth is organized religion.<<

Yes, but the internet has completely trumped that.

Did you know that over a century ago as we entered the “age of enlightenment” that many lesser religions fell by the wayside as it became easier and easier to disprove any of their quantifiable claims. Many anti-Christians believed the same would eventually happen to Christianity and that anticipation of “future proof” was all the “proof” they needed to convince them Christianity was a hoax.

Problem was, as science had to keep changing it’s hypotheses and theories while the Christian bible became more in harmony with what we “knew” (scientists used to be uniformitarianist while Christians were catastrophists, but now everyone is catastrophist). Even the discovery of DNA supports the wording of the bible.

And Christianity welcomes the light of day. Mormonism, on the other hand, must constantly change its scriptures, include secret ceremonies, and otherwise try to discredit those who often are guilty of nothing more than spreading the historic truth of the foundation and teachings of Mormonism.

Islam? Well, here we get into forced conversion to this day and a dependence on rampant ignorance. But I digress.


24 posted on 06/25/2011 11:51:19 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Matt and Trey pick on everyone. Not everyone can handle it. When you follow a “prophet” like John Smith, such as he is, you better have some thick skin.


25 posted on 06/25/2011 11:51:41 AM PDT by Grunthor
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>>>>They shoot Mormons, don’t they?<<

No, but mormons shot defenseless men, women and children in the past didn’t they.<<

I highly recommend the book “Mama, Mormonism and Me”.

Did you know that Mormons used to kill their own children if they tried to leave the church. It was a form of blood atonement.


26 posted on 06/25/2011 11:53:21 AM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: Saundra Duffy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJK0YZihVfY


27 posted on 06/25/2011 11:54:58 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: arderkrag

Note: The Mormon Church is more interested in shopping malls and cattle ranches than in helping the poor. By its own admission, the Mormon Church gave $60,000,000 in humanitarian aid last year. It is spending 15 times that for shopping malls.

In Jan. 2006, from the Church PR department, (Deseret News Publishing Company): Edgley said, “that since 1984, the LDS Church has donated nearly $750 million in cash and goods to people in need in more than 150 countries.” That averages to 37.5 million per year or about $3-$4 per Mormon member went to the poor. The total of $750 million in 22 years spent in cash in goods to people in need is less than HALF what the church is spending on these malls. Less than half!! The Mormon church is spending less than 1% of its income to help the poor. Is the Mormon church really a charitable organization?

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon403.htm


28 posted on 06/25/2011 11:55:35 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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Did you know that Mormons used to kill their own children if they tried to leave the church. It was a form of blood atonement.

Oh that was just the prophet's opinion dontchaknow. Couldn't be false teaching, heaven's no, and never mind digging up old mormon ways you nasty bigot (/sarc)

29 posted on 06/25/2011 12:00:23 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: Godzilla

Oh, and people live on the sun and on the moon. In fact, the ones on the moon dress like quakers.

Speaking of quantifiable claims being debunked by science. :-D


30 posted on 06/25/2011 12:03:19 PM PDT by RobRoy (The US today: Revelation 18:4)
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To: RobRoy
Oh, and people live on the sun and on the moon. In fact, the ones on the moon dress like quakers. Speaking of quantifiable claims being debunked by science. :-D

Well, they just haven't found the evidence yet -just like they haven't found the evidence for the nephites here in the americas.

31 posted on 06/25/2011 12:05:16 PM PDT by Godzilla (3-7-77)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Good neighbors....fine citizens....but it’s a business.


32 posted on 06/25/2011 12:06:22 PM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ilovesarah2012

Technically that’s not what defines a 401(C)(3) organization. Virtually any religious organization qualifies for that. Arguably, the most efficient bona-fide Christian charity organization isn’t even, by its own description, a church: it’s the Salvation Army. Their new slogan “doing the most good” is not bluster when viewed from that angle. One can strenuously disagree with Mormon theology without setting up armadas of straw men to point up pointless differences between it and various other bodies that more or less truly or falsely call themselves Christian.


33 posted on 06/25/2011 12:12:32 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Saundra Duffy

If they aren’t anti-Mormonism, they are ignorant of their own Bible or ignorant of Mormon doctrine, for neither agree with each other

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7q6brMrFw0E


34 posted on 06/25/2011 12:17:29 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: Saundra Duffy

IMHO, the left is simply indulging its hatred of Christianity by picking on a group that they know they can get by with it.

It’s the whole, “When they came for the Jews” thing.

We know Mormons are not traditional Christians, but the left doesn’t view it like that. They worship Jesus, they are a target. The libs get their jollies off it.


35 posted on 06/25/2011 12:21:41 PM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: Saundra Duffy

We have the Kingfish and Calhoun in DC Now.


36 posted on 06/25/2011 12:54:35 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: RobRoy

I just googled that and watched it for the first time

I forgot how vulgar South park was, but I sure did have a hernia laughing through it!

DUM DUM DUM DUM DUMMMM!


37 posted on 06/25/2011 12:55:32 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Ron Paul is to the Constitution what Fred Phelps is to the Bible.)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Oh, Sandy. If you don’t get the difference between anti-moron (which there is not) and anti-moronISM, it is you who has the problem.
Tell me this, for over 150 years morons did not want to be called Christian and mormonISM did not want to be referred as Christianity but in the last few years mormons have demand to be called Christian and mormonISM has demanded to be called Christianity.
Why?


38 posted on 06/25/2011 1:45:37 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: arderkrag
Has a really good comparison:

Basic similarities between the Islamic and Mormon faiths include, but are not limited to:

A founding prophet who received visits from an angel, leading to revelation of a book of scripture;

An emphasis upon family, and the family unit as the foundation for religious life and the transmission of values; Insistence that their religion is a complete way of life, meant to directly influence every facet of existence;

A belief that theirs constitutes the one and only completely true religion on the earth today;

Belief that good deeds are required for salvation just as much as faith;

Assertions that modern Christianity does not conform to the original religion taught by Jesus Christ;

Belief that the text of the Bible, as presently constituted, has been adulterated from its original form;

Rejection of the Christian doctrines of Original Sin and the Trinity;

Strong emphasis upon education, both in the secular and religious arenas;

Belief in fasting during specified periods of time;

Incorporation of a sacred ritual of ablution, though each religion's rite differs in form, frequency and purpose;

Belief that their faith represents the genuine, original religion of Adam, and of all true prophets thereafter;

Prohibition of alcoholic beverages and gambling, as well as homosexuality and bisexuality;

Belief that one's marriage can potentially continue into the next life, if one is faithful to the religion;

Belief in varying degrees of reward and punishment in the hereafter, depending upon one's performance in this life;

Special reverence for, though not worship of, their founding prophet;

Emphasis upon charitable giving, and helping the downtrodden;

An active interest in proselytizing nonbelievers;

Strong emphasis upon chastity, including modesty in dress; and

A clergy drawn from the laity, without necessarily requiring collegiate or seminary training.

No I am not saying mormonISM is terrorism.

39 posted on 06/25/2011 1:52:07 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Saundra Duffy
No LDS ping list remains as far as I can determine. The Mormons have pretty much either been banned or banned themselves from FR. So the anti Mormons can rip and tear to their hearts’ desire.


Mormon Translation Service Intervention:

[translate from mormonspeak to English - select option #3]

"So many mormons have been zotted for dissing members of FreeRepublic,
poking the founder in the eye, supporting RINOmney and hiding behind
caucus threads to attack Christians that there isn't much of a ping
list left. So Christians can post the truth from Mormon sources and
the Bible without the constant whining that used to exist here."


40 posted on 06/25/2011 1:59:18 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!)
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To: restornu

“...but Mormons have a history of being persecuted.”

...Yeah, like when po’ old Joseph Smith was hitting on other men’s wives and their husbands didn’t like it.
...Or when a local newspaper started to reveal what he was doing and po’ Joseph the victim sent a mob to destroy private property.
...Or like when mormons massacred an innocent wagon train, killing women and children and then sending out mormon women to loot the wagons and bodies.
...Or like daily when they pervert the Bible here on FR and others point it out...

It’s so undeserved! They are victimized just like Jewish people!


41 posted on 06/25/2011 2:03:12 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (A Nation of Sheep Breeds a Government of Wolves!)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Nicely stated:
42 posted on 06/25/2011 2:04:42 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: restornu

Of course Joseph Smith Jr, their fraud/prophet was shot by his brother Hiram.

Aside from that and the various murders of settlers and wagon trains trying to cross US territory on which the Mormons were settled, I find most Mormons to be peaceable to outsiders. Not saying that their “heretic” sects practice of raping female children and driving off young men is acceptable


43 posted on 06/25/2011 2:05:08 PM PDT by donmeaker ("Get off my lawn..." Clint Eastwood, Green Ford Torino)
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To: restornu
Resty you state:
They have been exiled in their own land, but have returned unfailing devotion to our Constitution.

Here's what mormonISM is founded on:

Joseph Smith published a newspaper article in his Mormon Newspaper in Independence, Missouri in 1832 wherein he wrote, "I have consecrated the riches of the gentiles unto my people who are of the House of Isreal."

In 1838, Joseph Smith was arrested for Treason against the United States.

Between 1842 and 1844, Joseph Smith:

a. Proclaimed himself "King of Zion", which he claimed held dominion over the United States

b. Appointed Brigham Young as the new Mormon "President of the United States"

c. Appointed other church leaders in his secret "Council of Fifty" as Governors of the various states and territories

d. Began forming his "Nauvoo Legion", which he claimed would be a "100,000 man militia" to be used to overthrow the US Government with military force (this is where all of the resurgent Mormon militias of the 1880's and 1890's came from, (like the Viper Militia and the Michigan Militia)

e. Inducted himself into the US military as "Lieutenant General" even though he had no prior military experience, and began wearing a military uniform

f. Began legitimizing polygamy by formally announcing his "doctrine of polygamy"

g. Formally announced his "Doctrine of the Constitution Versus the Law", which taught that Mormonism was the law of the land, which superseded America Law)

h. Formally created his new "Melchizedek Priesthood", which made all Mormons superior to "Christians" and made them "not-subject" to the man-made Judeo-Christian laws of America, or the Laws of Moses (10-commandements). Smith's new superior priesthood (superior to the older "Aaronic Priesthood"), made all Mormon males "man-Gods" in their own right who now "held the keys" to circumvent the Christian laws of Moses and the Judeo-Christian laws of America

44 posted on 06/25/2011 2:35:17 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: restornu
Of course no group has been as cruelly treated as African-Americans, but Mormons

Of course no group has been as cruelly treated as African-Americans, but BY Mormons...

there, fixed it for you. The Mormons are as hypocritical as the current pResident riding in Air Force One. I am sure you are in solidarity with those that claim they will become gods. You are your own joke! Others just observe and laugh!

In 1978, after decades of political wrangling and social turmoil, the Mormon church finally changed their policy barring people of African descent from being "ordained" with the priesthood. The church never admitted they were wrong to discriminate. Instead, they claimed that "God" had changed his mind on the topic, and that the church as a whole would now follow the latest decree from"God" himself, as revealed to his prophet and mouthpeice on Earth, Spencer W. Kimball. ...

Church leader Bruce R. McConkie, on the denial of equality for Africans:

“NEGROES IN THIS LIFE ARE DENIED THE PRIESTHOOD; under NO circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty. The gospel message of salvation IS NOT CARRIED AFFIRMATIVELY TO THEM... “NEGROES ARE NOT EQUAL WITH OTHER RACES WHERE THE RECEIPT OF CERTAIN SPIRITUAL BLESSINGS ARE CONCERNED...” (Mormon Doctrine, 1958, p. 477)


45 posted on 06/25/2011 2:36:55 PM PDT by WVKayaker (The GOP needs to live the planks of its platform, not just offer lip service. -Sarah Palin 8/2008)
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To: WVKayaker
Of course no group has been as cruelly treated as African-Americans, but BY Mormons...


46 posted on 06/25/2011 3:22:09 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (My God can't be bribed by money or good works or bound by manmade "covenants". Romney's can.)
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To: Saundra Duffy
They inflict pain and mockery on those already despised...

Oh come on writer; the MORMONs just LOVE to be a victim!

47 posted on 06/25/2011 4:11:15 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Oh poor widdle me, I’m so persecuted.


48 posted on 06/25/2011 4:22:39 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Paperdoll

It is a lie that Mormons practice polygamy. That was over 100 years ago and today polygamy will get you excommunicated. I wish the anti Mormons would stop lying about this.

Whatever. I’m not going to post anymore. Bye bye and God bless.


49 posted on 06/25/2011 6:29:54 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: arderkrag
"And I misunderstanding anything here?"

...only the many similarities between Joseph Smith and Mohammed...

50 posted on 06/25/2011 6:33:48 PM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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