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"Have to do this": Cuomo Charts Course for Gay Marriage in NY
MSNBC / NYT ^ | 6/25/2011 | Michael Barbaro

Posted on 06/25/2011 4:21:03 PM PDT by sinanju

"...The story of how same-sex marriage became legal in New York is about shifting public sentiment and individual lawmakers moved by emotional appeals from gay couples who wish to be wed.

But, behind the scenes, it was really about a Republican Party reckoning with a profoundly changing power dynamic, where Wall Street donors and gay-rights advocates demonstrated more might and muscle than a Roman Catholic hierarchy and an ineffective opposition. And it was about a Democratic governor, himself a Catholic, who used the force of his personality and relentlessly strategic mind to persuade conflicted lawmakers to take a historic leap.

“I can help you,” Mr. Cuomo assured them in dozens of telephone calls and meetings, at times pledging to deploy his record-high popularity across the state to protect them in their districts. “I am more of an asset than the vote will be a liability.” ...

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: catholic; cino; cuomo; vichyrepublican
This is the most detailed article on the matter I have been able to find. And it is an eye-opener.

So gay marriage had become Cuomo's personal crusade. And big money Republican donors and legislators just rolled over because gays are so impassioned and emotional. Well, we'll see if they get away with it. Although it's almost academic. New York is New York and the New York Repubs are moribund.

Personally, I'd be happy to allow gay marriage but the price would be the elimination of all "domestic partner" marriage-lite arrangements for gays AND straights. All or nothing.

I'm under the impression that, where it's legal, very few gays marry as gay relationships tend to be anything but stable and your average well-to-do homosexual has no intention of splitting his property and paycheck with his boy toy. If they want marriage, I say give it to them good and hard. Let them know the joys of divorce, alimony, custody fights, etc.

1 posted on 06/25/2011 4:21:04 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: sinanju

Mr. Cuomo needs to leave the Church. Period. This makes me happy I no longer live in New York, but very sad for New York, as well as the country.


2 posted on 06/25/2011 4:29:16 PM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: sinanju

Legalize all types of marriage, too. If I want to marry my cat, who is to say I can’t?!!?!?!


3 posted on 06/25/2011 4:31:03 PM PDT by abercrombie_guy_38
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To: sayuncledave

Phuck the Church. If you read the whole article you’ll read that they completely fell down on the job.


4 posted on 06/25/2011 4:31:41 PM PDT by sinanju
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To: sayuncledave
God is going to get us all for this.

He will not be mocked.

I sometimes joke around in my SS class that all the human misery is God's fault anyway since He granted humans "free will".

But there are some things that are written in both Books which make it clear that God is not going to put up with homosexuals sticking it in our faces for very long.

He has already destroyed two towns that we know of for exactly just this behavior. The Apostle Paul warned the Corinthians about homos. Also, I think I read somewhere that one of the reasons that the Roman Empire failed is that homosexuality and welfare were rampant in the last days.

Anyway, every state and locality that enacts "homosexual marriage" is only driving the final nails in the United States coffin.

Elections have consequences....some are more consequential than others...Gov Cuomo looked really happy when he signed the bill last night....

5 posted on 06/25/2011 4:32:02 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: sinanju

So another story of Money, Sex and Power = total Corruption.
Throw in the glorious vanity of media manipulations and voila...... New Yucks graft and legalized corruption at its finest. All to promote and placate the gay mafia. Andrew cHomo and vapid complicits-—we collectively PUKE on you all.


6 posted on 06/25/2011 4:32:19 PM PDT by tflabo
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To: sinanju

It will only be a few weeks before they start screaming for something else. This has very little to do with marriage. It has to do with abnormal people demanding that they be considered part of the norm. Since this is, by definition, impossible, they will never be satisfied.


7 posted on 06/25/2011 4:33:07 PM PDT by AdaGray
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To: sinanju

Names of the Senators who voted for this or it amounts to nothing but a waste of time to read the article.

Do not care about Cuonmo’s mechanizations, only care about which R’s voted for this, and what deals were cut to allow a dhimmi not to vote for it.


8 posted on 06/25/2011 4:33:13 PM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: abercrombie_guy_38

Next up: polygamy, as part of a push for Sharia Law.


9 posted on 06/25/2011 4:33:34 PM PDT by samtheman
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To: sinanju

I wonder if he’s doing anything about NY state pensions.


10 posted on 06/25/2011 4:34:05 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: sinanju
The real question is: What will they demand next in exchange for contributions?

It isn't over by a long road.

11 posted on 06/25/2011 4:35:33 PM PDT by Glenn (iamtheresistance.org)
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To: sayuncledave; sinanju

Cuomo in th closet???

http://atlahmedianetwork.org/?p=15880


12 posted on 06/25/2011 4:38:56 PM PDT by danamco (-)
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To: sinanju

” a Democratic governor, himself a Catholic, “
///
being a Catholic, is NOT hereditary, like being Jewish!

the MSM constantly tells us, that bin Laden types,
“misunderstand” their “Religion of Peace”.
and that real Muslims are peaceful.

yet they constantly portray Cumo, Pelosi, Kennedy, etc.,
and good faithful mainstream Catholics.
...if you reject multiple fundamental teachings of something,
you AIN’T one.

(if i ever get interviewed by the MSM, i will tell them i am a “lifelong liberal democrat”...)

and, just for the record, bin Laden types are the ones correctly reading the Quran.
(as ANY Imam can tell you, if he believes you are a Muslim...)
the “peaceful” ones are practicing taquiya, or ignorant of their own scripture.)


13 posted on 06/25/2011 4:39:08 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: sinanju

A “profoundly changing power dynamic”, involving 2-3% of the population?? Why don’t we all roll over for the pedophiles and goat-humpers? Or rapists?

Decency is so screwed in this country any more.


14 posted on 06/25/2011 4:40:01 PM PDT by prairiebreeze
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To: sinanju
The daily news (not worthy of caps) boasted this morning that cuomo alternately "wined and dined" and "threatened to have investigated"' whomever wasn't doing his will.

not mentioned but certainly not unthinkable is the possibility that the queer mafia threatened to burn and loot the city tomorrow when they parade their detestable stupidity all over this town.

Cuomo: the poster boy for apostasy.

15 posted on 06/25/2011 4:42:20 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Lovers ARE fighters.)
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To: sinanju

First, this stupid law WAS passed by the legislature and so it’s better than by court or some silly bureaucracy.

That being said, do not forget that the DOMA is still in force, so states that do not allow same sex marriages don’t have to honor those marriages made in states that do.

BUT....come on, any Republican that voted for this thing needs to get kicked out of the party.

I’m perfectly serious here. This is a matter that Republicans...as close to conservative as we got, should have held firm on...defense of marriage.

They didn’t. No problem. They got a right.

But they are DEMOCRATS and that’s what they should be forced to be.


16 posted on 06/25/2011 4:42:45 PM PDT by Fishtalk (http://patfish.blogspot.com/201102/freerepublic-ping-list-compilation.html-Freep Ping Blog post)
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To: sayuncledave

What these people are trying to do is to abrogate another covenant between G-d and man...They try to supplant that the only reason to marry is for sex or love. But G-d laid down the foundations of marriage before the beginning of time. They have destroyed the Sabbath, Marriage, Morality (Noahide Covenant, etc.) To the point that G-d gave us these gifts, and we are giving him the finger. He will pass judgement soon. Repent, while we can.


17 posted on 06/25/2011 4:42:52 PM PDT by richardtavor (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem)
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To: samtheman

Why stop there? Every possible human/child/animal/robot combination will be rammed down our throats by government. Especially for our kids in public schools.


18 posted on 06/25/2011 4:43:23 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: samtheman

Why stop there? Every possible human/child/animal/robot combination will be rammed down our throats by government. Especially for our kids in public schools.


19 posted on 06/25/2011 4:43:29 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: sinanju; samtheman; padre35

” ... they completely fell down on the job.”
///
agreed !!!
they are NOT doing their job.

How can ANY Church leader, Presbyterian, Catholic, whatever,
lead their flock astray from clear teachings of the Bible?

even worse, is Christian Ministers like Warren,
are NOT doing their job, when they promote “Chrislam”,
and praise Islam.
...instead of condemning a religion that permits sex with 9 years old (even TODAY!), and considers women inferior, and property. ...not to mention Jew-hating, and a few other things...


20 posted on 06/25/2011 4:45:49 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: sinanju
-“I am more of an asset than the vote will be a liability.”

Make them pay at the ballot box!

21 posted on 06/25/2011 4:45:59 PM PDT by The Bronze Titan
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To: the invisib1e hand

<<<<The pressure did not let up at home. Mr. Cuomo’s girlfriend, Sandra Lee, has a gay brother, and she frequently reminded the governor how much she wanted the law to change.<<<<

This supposedly observant Catholic governor is shacked up with his girlfriend. He doesn’t really care that much about marriage.


22 posted on 06/25/2011 4:47:19 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: sinanju

This POS Cuomo should not only be excommunicated, but his putrid carcas should be decorating a tree limb. More than any act, this whole event has laid the groundwork for the destruction of the Church in America. Pure, unadulterated evil is on the march.


23 posted on 06/25/2011 4:47:37 PM PDT by greene66
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To: Fishtalk

You’re right — DOMA is still in force, but liberal judges will inevitably declare it unconstitutional, and a more Democratic Congress would overturn it in a flash.

DOMA is DOOOOMED.


24 posted on 06/25/2011 4:51:12 PM PDT by heye2monn
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To: heye2monn

He’s apparently a pussywhipped apostate. Which I guess might be redundant.


25 posted on 06/25/2011 4:52:35 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (Lovers ARE fighters.)
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To: Elendur

Names folks, these are the Vichy Republicans who supported this law:

“...Skelos, Alessi, McDonald, Saland, and Grisanti will all pay the price, and rightfully so....”

Be sure to do something to ensure they pay the proper political cost for their votes, Cuomo has said he was going “help them in their districts” well, a Dhimmicrat no less.

We should hurt them in their districts, politically speaking.


26 posted on 06/25/2011 4:53:45 PM PDT by padre35 (You shall not ignore the laws of God, the Market, the Jungle, and Reciprocity Rm10.10)
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To: sinanju

It’s a fantastic plan for the liberal mecca of New York. As the me and women attempt to breed with themselves their voting base will shrivel to Zero. Works for me.

Of course they can adopt but so far they seem to just want to adopt 1 or two tokens of their faux love.


27 posted on 06/25/2011 4:54:23 PM PDT by liberty or death
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To: sinanju

Sodomites are part of the coalition that is taking over this country; and this action by New York is part of their reward.


28 posted on 06/25/2011 4:58:34 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: greene66

Cuomo WILL be at Church tomorrow, Will march up to the Priest who will not refuse Communion.
Works for Nancy, worked for clinton, kennedy and every politician who ever supported abortion, or homo marrage


29 posted on 06/25/2011 5:02:32 PM PDT by reefdiver ("Let His day's be few And another takes His office")
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To: sinanju

If a lesbian and her new spouse fly out of New York and the TSA determines that they need the pat down. Who should perform the deed? A straight woman, straight man, gay man or otherwise? Just wondering.


30 posted on 06/25/2011 5:09:02 PM PDT by MulberryDraw ( Switch off the EPA.)
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To: sinanju
about shifting public sentiment

Mr. Sandra Lee probably needs to rethink that into "continuing media hammering".

31 posted on 06/25/2011 5:10:16 PM PDT by ErnBatavia (It's not the Obama Administration....it's the "Obama Regime".)
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To: sinanju
“They are operational,” he told his father. Passing same-sex marriage, by contrast, “is at the heart of leadership and progressive government.”

Yes...that about sums it up.

Who cares about the economy? Sodomy is at the heart of what these people are after. Cuomo, you're a pervert.

32 posted on 06/25/2011 5:18:40 PM PDT by Siena Dreaming
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To: reefdiver
"Cuomo WILL be at Church tomorrow, Will march up to the Priest who will not refuse Communion. Works for Nancy, worked for clinton, kennedy and every politician who ever supported abortion, or homo marrage"

The Catholic Church must exercise internal discipline or it will fade away or morph into a completely different pseudo church like so many others.

33 posted on 06/25/2011 5:31:00 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: abercrombie_guy_38

Why not my dog too, and three goldfish?


34 posted on 06/25/2011 5:32:40 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: sayuncledave
Mr. Cuomo needs to leave the Church. Period.

************

The gub'ner will never do this voluntarily.
Cuomo has stated his position--- and signed his name to law.

Which, IMO, places this direct challenge on the doorstep of the Cathedral:

It is time for the Archbishop to step forward and excommunicate a sitting governor.

Most Reverend Howard James Hubbard, Bishop of Albany...
We are praying--

With all due respect and reverence: What say you?

35 posted on 06/25/2011 5:33:33 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: sinanju

I read the whole article. You have skirted the no profanity rule here. Dolan has soft-pedaled in the past, with regard to Cuomo. I won’t speculate on it. I do object to it. There were others involved in fighting this. Catholic others included. While Dolan didn’t do as desired or expected, others tried.

The operative sentence is this:”By the time a Catholic bishop from Brooklyn traveled to Albany last week to tell undecided senators that passing same-sex marriage “is not in keeping with the will of their people,” it was clear the church had been outmaneuvered by the highly organized same-sex marriage coalition, with its sprawling field team and Wall Street donors.”

Cuomo’s girlfriend’s brother is gay. Senator Kruger’s involvement is directly tied to a similar situation. Then you have the corporate weasels, and RINOs (at best).

A lot fell down here. And worse, this will doubtless lead to homosexual unions being licit everywhere, regardless of what the majority of voters think. Probably by executive fiat. This is the start of an ill wind.


36 posted on 06/25/2011 5:37:21 PM PDT by sayuncledave (A cruce salus)
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To: Siena Dreaming
“They are operational,” he told his father. Passing same-sex marriage, by contrast, “is at the heart of leadership and progressive government.”

Communist goal #26.

Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”

27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize
the need for intellectual maturity which does not need a “religious crutch.”

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm

37 posted on 06/25/2011 5:38:34 PM PDT by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: Truth29

I have a hard time grokking the intrigue of Rome over things like this. It would be so easy to read the riot act to these grossly disobedient churches by name. But nobody seems to do it.


38 posted on 06/25/2011 5:39:58 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: B.O. Plenty

Every passion is being released and allowed to be expressed. These Sodomites are even invading the schools and preparing the youth for the harvest.


39 posted on 06/25/2011 5:46:57 PM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: B.O. Plenty

Amen....God will NOT be mocked!!! Andrew and his co-horts are tap dancing on the trap door of HELL!!!!! Don’;t watch his girlfriend’s show either....Sandra Lee.....HOEY!!


40 posted on 06/25/2011 5:50:31 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: heye2monn

Sandra Lee has a GAY BROTHER??? Oh geesh, that answers that question!!! LIBERALISM IS A DISEASE!!!


41 posted on 06/25/2011 5:52:20 PM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Fishtalk
"any Republican that voted for this thing needs to get kicked out of the party."

LOL!

The history of the Republican Party is knee deep in Statism. Redefining marriage is just a continuation of the cycle in central planning. The "Rockefellers" are toasting in delight right now.
42 posted on 06/25/2011 6:00:59 PM PDT by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: sayuncledave
‘highly organized same-sex marriage coalition’

This are big organizations with enormous amounts of money flowing in, lots of legal teams, $$ from taxpayers, foundations, corporations. The legal teams are ferocious.

either people stop this accepting their silly challenges by quoting Scripture at them and get in and fight, it's going to be lose, lose lose. They will take over yet more churches and gran church property.

They are organized, lawyered-up, have millions and millions, and it's about MONEY and POWER, not being able to be in the hospital with your ‘partner’, or all the other fuzzy-bear arguments they come up with. And quoting scripture at them is laughable.

they want homosexual priests, pastors and ministers so the real Christians will go away in a huff and THEY get all the church property that people have worked and contributed for/to for many, many generations.

It's about money and power. These organizations are like the Mafia.

People had better start fighting back now. They guilt, guilt, guilt. Ignore it and remember, these big organizations want your money and power over you.

Did you see the photographs of all the gays and lesbians up in the NY state-house gallery? they were all handsome, pretty, goodlooking and young. I am sure GLAAD picked every one of them.

Remember the kerfuffle over the painting of the Virgin Mary surrounded by elephant dung? The media got shots of all the old fat women protesting the painting with their mouths open.

If you find your church considering a homosexual leader, fight it with all the determination you can don't be guilted and remember these parasite are after your church property. Lawyer up! Don't be guilted -— and don't quote scripture to them, they just go home and have a big effing laugh over it.

It may be coming ujp in my church soon.

43 posted on 06/25/2011 6:01:28 PM PDT by squarebarb
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To: sinanju

Just wondering: Is there something we HAVEN’T done to assure the collapse of western civilization? The schools are already well dumbed down; abortion limits population; gay “marriage” limits pre-abortion procreation; homosexuality will weaken the armed services; and what’s left will be bankrupted with court fees or jailed for opposing any part of it. Hate to say it, but Sharia almost looks good.


44 posted on 06/25/2011 6:25:58 PM PDT by Mach9
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45 posted on 06/25/2011 6:28:09 PM PDT by narses ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions." Chesterton)
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To: sayuncledave

The POPE needs to kick him out!!!


46 posted on 06/25/2011 7:13:12 PM PDT by therut
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To: B.O. Plenty

Is that you Mr Phelps?


47 posted on 06/25/2011 7:35:56 PM PDT by newzjunkey (abortion is tolerated but gays will be the end of us all? does not compute)
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To: sinanju
"himself a Catholic"

No, certainly he is not. His bishop should make sure he knows he's run afoul. As recently as last year in MN, persons were been denied communion for support of gay marriage. They wore rainbow sashes at mass.

48 posted on 06/25/2011 7:45:29 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: sinanju
“I can help you,” Mr. Cuomo assured them...“I am more of an asset than the vote will be a liability.”

They're foolish to trust him.

49 posted on 06/25/2011 7:49:15 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: sinanju

>>> I’m under the impression that, where it’s legal, very few gays marry as gay relationships tend to be anything but stable and your average well-to-do homosexual has no intention of splitting his property and paycheck with his boy toy.

That is EXACTLY correct. But it’s a point lost in the noise and hysteria. The pattern so far has been there will be an initial flurry of (generally older) gays marrying because they can. Then interest fades. And the divorce/property-division battles are now beginning.


50 posted on 06/26/2011 1:02:32 AM PDT by tlb
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