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Big Government Gets Ugly
Townhall.com ^ | June 26, 2011 | Steve Chapman

Posted on 06/26/2011 7:17:21 AM PDT by Kaslin

It's not unusual for the federal government to provoke widespread retching among its citizens, but it rarely does so intentionally. The new warning labels required on cigarette packs, however, have that goal. Designed to evoke disgust with smoking, they may also induce revulsion at excessive uses of power.

The old cigarette warnings inform consumers of straightforward facts, such as: "Smoking Causes Lung Cancer, Heart Disease, Emphysema, And May Complicate Pregnancy" and "Quitting Smoking Now Greatly Reduces Serious Risks to Your Health." Thanks in part to such labels, Americans today fully grasp that smoking is unsafe.

But the point of the new labels is not to ensure that potential and actual smokers understand the hazards of the habit and make an informed choice. The point is to get people to avoid cigarettes whether they want to or not.

The Food and Drug Administration finds it intolerable that despite all the efforts to stamp out smoking -- through tobacco taxes, advertising restrictions, educational campaigns and smoking bans -- nearly 50 million Americans continue to puff away. The hope is that repeated assaults with nauseating photos will kill the urge.

So anyone electing to smoke will have to run a gauntlet of horrors: a corpse, a diseased lung, rotting gums and a smoker exhaling through a tracheotomy hole.

All this is made possible thanks to legislation passed in 2009 and signed by President Barack Obama. If it sounds like the sort of bossy, intrusive, big-government approach championed by Democrats, it is. But it passed by overwhelming majorities in both houses, with most Senate Republicans in support.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: nanny; pufflist; sebelius

1 posted on 06/26/2011 7:17:22 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

If the “federal” government can tell us what to buy when we don’t want to buy it, they should be able to tell us what not to buy when we do want it. It’s all in that Commerce Clause.


2 posted on 06/26/2011 7:20:09 AM PDT by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: Kaslin

I can see the return of elegant cigarette boxes.


3 posted on 06/26/2011 7:22:39 AM PDT by goldi (')
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To: C210N

If they outlawed this legal product government would fall from the loss of tax revenues.


4 posted on 06/26/2011 7:26:30 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Kaslin

If this is how government thinks to ‘educate’ people, maybe we should require Planned Parenthood to put photos of aborted babies on their brochures and such?


5 posted on 06/26/2011 7:30:02 AM PDT by EscapedDutch ("Socialism is great until you run out of other people's money" - Lady Margaret Thatcher)
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To: Kaslin

Those labels aren’t going to make a bit of difference. I loved smoking.......I enjoyed smoking......I’d be smoking today if the choice were mine but it was taking toll on my health (and his) so Hub and I quit together. My question is, how is the feral gooberment gonna make up for all those tobacco taxes that they’ll lose when everyone quits smoking? I smell alot of rats.


6 posted on 06/26/2011 7:33:50 AM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Kaslin

Thanks for posting this.

As an exsmoker of 40 years (I quit on Feb 24, 1999), I can testify that putting disgusting pics on cigarette packs will have little, if any, effect. Smokers don’t look at the pack. Oh, they will when the pics first come out. But after that, nope.

I smoked Barclays for years. I looked at that pack as I removed a cigarette between 40 and 60 times a day. All I can remember about that pack is that it had the word Barclay on it (duh?) and was light brown/yellowish in color.

Little, if any, effect. Cigarettes are horribly addicting. I have read that nicotine is more addictive than heroine or cocaine. I can believe that. For a person hooked on nicotine, giving up smoking is like an alcholic giving up booze (been there, done that, too). It will only happen when the addict (not the government) hits rock bottom and truly and genuinely wants to quit.


7 posted on 06/26/2011 7:45:38 AM PDT by upchuck (Think you know hardship? Ha! Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: Dawgreg

I hear a lot of teenagers swap these gore picks like trading cards.


8 posted on 06/26/2011 7:46:25 AM PDT by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: EscapedDutch
If this is how government thinks to ‘educate’ people, maybe we should require Planned Parenthood to put photos of aborted babies on their brochures and such?

I was thinking about putting the Weiner pics on Democrat campaign signs.

9 posted on 06/26/2011 7:48:19 AM PDT by Cowman (How can the IRS seize property without a warrant if the 4th amendment still stands?)
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To: goldi
I can see the return of elegant cigarette boxes.

That's the first thought that came to my mind as well.

The feds are creating a new industry (actually reviving an old one) by doing this. If they keep doing what they have been to gas prices, I wouldn't be surprised to see a resurgence in the buggy-whip manufacturing industry as well.

10 posted on 06/26/2011 7:49:10 AM PDT by Bob
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To: Kaslin; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

All the graphic warnings that are now on the cigarette packs are portrayed with actors in makeup and are photoshopped.

The government has applied ‘false advertising’ to a product.
If you look at a cereal box and that said cereal is portrayed in a bowl with milk and blueberries on top - the manufacturer has to write “Serving suggestion” on the box (to not confuse consumers that there is a bowl - milk and blueberries inside-duh...lol)
But with these fake graphic pictures the government has swept aside these truth in advertising endeavors to replace them with scare mongering marketing.

Also, If a child finds a discarded cigarette pack with mocked-up R-rated/PG-13 pictures on it - who can be prosecuted? the government? Is it still classified as just littering? hmmm

Ping~


11 posted on 06/26/2011 7:50:21 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: goldi

That was the first thing that popped into my mind when this bs started.


12 posted on 06/26/2011 7:51:06 AM PDT by Outlaw Woman
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To: goldi

Suppose this might need a /sarc tag.... ;)

13 posted on 06/26/2011 7:52:40 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: goldi

I personally hate those things but I think we should all buy some butts for for the sake of liberty.


14 posted on 06/26/2011 7:53:51 AM PDT by Scanian
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To: Kaslin

Anybody remember the “Garbage Pail Kids?” Young teens and preteens loved to collect them. Today, many in their twenties and thirties seem to have the same mindset of those teens and preteens of yesterday.

Once again, a poorly thought out, emotional action will backfire.


15 posted on 06/26/2011 7:57:30 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Kaslin

Warning: Excessive Government Nannyism Can Be Hazardous to your Health, Economy, Personal Liberty, Property, and Finances.


16 posted on 06/26/2011 7:59:07 AM PDT by FLAMING DEATH (Are you better off than you were $4 trillion ago?)
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To: C210N

Pac-Man Gov.


17 posted on 06/26/2011 8:12:54 AM PDT by screaminsunshine (Socialism...Easier said than done.)
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To: coydog

Mercy, why am I not suprised? :(


18 posted on 06/26/2011 8:25:41 AM PDT by Dawgreg (Happiness is not having what you want, but wanting what you have.)
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To: Kaslin

Let’s see.. So far, they’ve raised federal taxes on tobacco to about a dollar an ounce, they’re raising cigarette taxes again in July, and in the case of NYC, taxes are 900% more than the production cost of cigarettes.

To further ‘decrease’ sales, they’re going to seize part of the package for a government controlled full color advertisement. At the same time, mandatory jail time is going in for those who smuggle cigarettes.

I’m sure someone is already writing a enormous penalty for anyone caught with an unapproved cigarette transport device that excludes the mandated cigarette tax stamp and federal graphic.


19 posted on 06/26/2011 8:31:09 AM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: libertarian27
Also, If a child finds a discarded cigarette pack with mocked-up R-rated/PG-13 pictures on it - who can be prosecuted?

If you think the people who are trying to bring 'gay sex education' to K-12 have any shred of decency left, think again. A little gore and gross is right up their alley. They might even get off on it.

20 posted on 06/26/2011 8:33:36 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

The fight against ‘all that is indecent’ now pertains to tobacco, guns, food and religion, etc. in this topsy-turvy world.

“Gay Sex Education” is fun and appropriate...don’t you watch the Bravo network? PBS? /huge spewing sarc

Here’s a site that rates movies based upon smoking.
http://www.scenesmoking.org/frame.htm

It is gloriously upheld to squash tobacco scenes in movies, they are pushing for any movie with tobacco use to be rated-R

If you did the same sort of website for homosexuality - say SceneFags - it would be classified as a hate crime.


21 posted on 06/26/2011 8:44:38 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: Kaslin; Eric Blair 2084; tutstar; SheLion; Gabz; Hank Kerchief; 383rr; libertarian27; ...

Nanny State PING!


22 posted on 06/26/2011 8:51:26 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (July 23, 2017 - This is Ellis Wyatt. I am on strike.)
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To: goldi
I can see the return of elegant cigarette boxes.

And not-so-elegant ones for everyday use:


23 posted on 06/26/2011 8:54:01 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The more effeminate & debauched the people, the more they are fitted for a tyrannical government.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


24 posted on 06/26/2011 8:55:08 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: goldi

Yes. And I can see the government posting on those packs that if cigs are removed from the pack you will be fined!


25 posted on 06/26/2011 9:08:55 AM PDT by US_MilitaryRules (Where is our military?)
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To: kingu
Let’s see.. So far, they’ve raised federal taxes on tobacco to about a dollar an ounce, they’re raising cigarette taxes again in July, and in the case of NYC, taxes are 900% more than the production cost of cigarettes.

To further ‘decrease’ sales, they’re going to seize part of the package for a government controlled full color advertisement. At the same time, mandatory jail time is going in for those who smuggle cigarettes.

I’m sure someone is already writing a enormous penalty for anyone caught with an unapproved cigarette transport device that excludes the mandated cigarette tax stamp and federal graphic.

In their spare time the same people are screaming for the legalization of pot and other drugs.


26 posted on 06/26/2011 9:21:05 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The more effeminate & debauched the people, the more they are fitted for a tyrannical government.)
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To: Iron Munro

Those will double as 30.06 cartridge boxes. Those are nice. They only come in clear plastic from Midway. ;^)


27 posted on 06/26/2011 11:03:06 AM PDT by TigersEye (Wranglers not Levis. Levi Strauss is anti-2nd Amendment.)
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To: libertarian27

The whole rated R if cigarette smoking is shown is so stupid. It would make shows like Dick Van Dyke and Gomer Pyle unsuitable “for the children”.


28 posted on 06/26/2011 1:21:09 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: libertarian27
All the graphic warnings that are now on the cigarette packs are portrayed with actors in makeup and are photoshopped.

Got a source for that?
29 posted on 06/26/2011 9:23:45 PM PDT by aNYCguy
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To: Kaslin
Big Government Gets Ugly

It was good looking before?

30 posted on 06/27/2011 12:19:24 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: cableguymn
If they outlawed this legal product government would fall from the loss of tax revenues.

So you're saying it IS a good idea after all?

31 posted on 06/27/2011 12:21:01 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: aNYCguy

No ifs, ands or butts: FDA warning photos faked
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/21/hurt-no-ifs-ands-or-butts-fda-warning-photos-faked/?page=all#pagebreak

They’ve do the same thing in other countries with the graphic images, they also create tv advertisements using actors in heavy make-up.

I find it amusing (Not) that the Government and NGO’s can play with their advertising like this and manufacturers are tied to the truth....and when they embellish they must state so in their ads.


32 posted on 06/27/2011 4:37:03 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: boop
They'll just photoshop it out of History


33 posted on 06/27/2011 4:47:16 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Ingsoc: Department of Life, Department of Liberty, Department of Happiness)
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To: Kaslin

“So anyone electing to smoke will have to run a gauntlet of horrors:”

Not those who roll their own. I suspect that this segment will grow, therefore reducing the gov revenue from tobacco taxes. Then they will have to make up that revenue somewhere.


34 posted on 06/27/2011 5:41:27 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: libertarian27

“I find it amusing (Not) that the Government and NGO’s can play with their advertising like this and manufacturers are tied to the truth....and when they embellish they must state so in their ads.”

Kind of like when Weiner was pushing for CEO’s found to be lying to the public to be jailed? Think Sarbanes-Oxley....

The Fed is filled with nothing buy lying hypocrits!


35 posted on 06/27/2011 5:47:16 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the "Dave Ramsey Fan" ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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To: libertarian27

I was wondering about that guy with the staples in his chest. I didn’t realize it was supposed to be an autopsy photo. In a real autopsy, they use a “Y” shaped incision, and they sew it shut. They DON’T staple it. I guessed it was a post CABG image. But the propagandists just came up with a fake “scary” picture. Now I’m pissed off. The guberment complains about cigarette companies “lying” about their products, then turn around and lie to us with these photos.


36 posted on 06/27/2011 2:00:36 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: libertarian27

Very interesting.


37 posted on 06/27/2011 4:42:11 PM PDT by aNYCguy
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To: libertarian27
Photobucket

Big gubmint and statist social engineering is disgusting.

38 posted on 06/28/2011 2:57:36 PM PDT by Eric Blair 2084 (I don't always drink beer, but when I do, I prefer to drink a bunch of them. Stay thirsty my FRiends)
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