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U.S. Eyeing 56.2 MPG Cars By 2025
JOSH MITCHELL and SHARON TERLEP ^ | 6/26/11

Posted on 06/26/2011 8:19:18 AM PDT by Pontiac

The Obama administration is considering a fleetwide average of 56.2 miles per gallon for all new cars and trucks sold in the U.S. by 2025, two people briefed on the matter said. The proposal would roughly double current fuel-economy targets, and would likely raise the price of some cars by several thousand dollars. The proposal isn't final, and could be adjusted over the next several weeks as regulators prepare a formal draft to send to White House budget officials. The administration has said previously that it is looking at requiring cars average between 47 and 62 mpg by 2025. The fuel-mileage targets would be accompanied by stringent rules to reduce vehicle emissions of greenhouse gases. Environmental groups and the state of California have pressed for the 62 mpg target or something close to that, while the industry has lobbied for a target on the lower end of the administration's range. The targets for 2025 would build on the administration's requirement that autos average 35.5 mpg by 2016. U.S. officials are expected to release their final numbers for 2017-2025 in September.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: autoindustry; cafa; deathtraps; energypolicy; gasoline; greenreligion; leftuniverse
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Obama’s nanny state continues the attack on the private sector in the middle of a financial depression. This escalation of the war on private transportation is another nail in the coffin of the auto industry. All of this is a bone thrown to the Green Communist Party which is a major constituent of the Democrats and Obama.
1 posted on 06/26/2011 8:19:22 AM PDT by Pontiac
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To: Pontiac

Why not 56.3? Seriously, go for broke!


2 posted on 06/26/2011 8:22:48 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Public employee unions are the barbarian hordes of our time.)
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To: Pontiac

and WE THE PUBLIC are supposed to think fuel will be the same price as today


3 posted on 06/26/2011 8:23:05 AM PDT by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: Pontiac

Obozo can demand crap like this all he wants. It’s doable with batteries and electric motors but like the dolt, it won’t be a
“peoples” car.

I do wonder if the VW TDI engine will pass the air standards test, it does choke 50+ mpg out of a gallon of diesel.


4 posted on 06/26/2011 8:24:17 AM PDT by cableguymn
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To: Pontiac

Just end all this insanity in November, 2012.


5 posted on 06/26/2011 8:25:46 AM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: Pontiac

Great now i can pay 100k for a focus......


6 posted on 06/26/2011 8:26:47 AM PDT by Moleman
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To: Psycho_Bunny

I say nothing less than 57.3 MPG.

These people aren’t going for it like they say they are.


7 posted on 06/26/2011 8:26:47 AM PDT by SteamShovel (The RADIATION PIMPS...are RATS)
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To: Pontiac
U.S. Eyeing 56.2 MPG Cars By 2025

This Administration operates on Magical Thinking.

They believe that Unicorns and Pixie Dust
can repeal Newton's Laws of Physics.


8 posted on 06/26/2011 8:26:57 AM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: Pontiac

I think that O’s approach copies that of Captain Picard or the Enterprise: “Make it so.”


9 posted on 06/26/2011 8:27:00 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pontiac

No problem.

10 posted on 06/26/2011 8:28:12 AM PDT by DeFault User
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To: EagleUSA

Yes, these morons need to go and everything they have done needs to be undone. Everything.


11 posted on 06/26/2011 8:28:36 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: Pontiac

The market will demand that gas mileage improve, but Obama will take credit.


12 posted on 06/26/2011 8:28:48 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Why not …go for broke!

I think that is their intent. Seriously!

These socialist think that we in the US have had it too good for too long. Their ideology demands equality above all. They intend to break this country to bring us down to the level of the Third World.

They want to bring our country’s economy down by destroying our major industries that make up the basis of our country.

If they are not doing it intentionally it really doesn’t matter. It only means that they are too stupid to govern and should be deposed at the first opportunity.

13 posted on 06/26/2011 8:29:28 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

I find decimal points confusing. So to simplify things, the government should mandate 562 MPG.


14 posted on 06/26/2011 8:30:06 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: Pontiac
That's 14 years away! I'm pretty confident that market forces will lead to the technological impovements that will easily eclipse that number.

It requires no work or money or laws from the government. But Obama would like to take credit for it anyway.

15 posted on 06/26/2011 8:32:06 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: cableguymn

Problem is, there won’t be any electricity generated by the Regime (Electricity rates will necessarily skyrocket...)...We will freeze to death and that will solve “the problem”...


16 posted on 06/26/2011 8:32:36 AM PDT by Shady (The numbers do not lie.)
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To: Pontiac

Messiah Obama Speaketh. Make it so!


17 posted on 06/26/2011 8:34:15 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Pontiac

A horse and mule uses no gasoline. I’d say we’d be going back to those except we’ll probably eat the first one we see.


18 posted on 06/26/2011 8:34:15 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Pontiac


19 posted on 06/26/2011 8:34:44 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Pontiac
My car gets 200 MPG-

I shut off the engine when coasting downhill.

20 posted on 06/26/2011 8:36:16 AM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: Pontiac

In other news, the Obama administration is drafting legislation that makes shark attacks illegal.

An anonymous source close to the President said, “without this legislation countless individuals will be attacked by sharks. We must act quickly to prevent any future shark attacks.”

If the initiative is successful, sources say they will use the same approach to solve the growing tornado problem. The same source said, “As we all know, tornados have become more frequent because of global warming. If we don’t do something about them, citizens will continue to feel an economic and emotional toll.”


In all seriousness, this is so stupid. Will they consider the energy cost associated with plugging into the wall? The only way we get 50+ mpg for cars AND TRUCKS is to supplement the combustion engine with electrical power in order to mask the true energy costs.

Even my socialist, “environmentalist” (really anti business), father thinks that electric cars are stupid. He brought it up 2 weeks ago while we were fishing. He can’t understand why people think that electric means no environmental impact.


21 posted on 06/26/2011 8:36:22 AM PDT by laxcoach (Government is greedy. Taxpayers who want their own money are not greedy.)
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To: Brilliant
The market will demand that gas mileage improve, but Obama will take credit.

Only if Obama succeeds in destroying the free market for oil based fuels.

If the world continues to search for new oil field there will be plenty of oil to fuel what ever cars the market wants.

Personally I do not believe that the general populace wants the kind of car that would be necessary to achieve that kind of fuel economy. It would need to be basically a enclosed motorcycle that does 0 to 60 mph in 12+ seconds.

22 posted on 06/26/2011 8:37:05 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

I wonder how many bong hits it took to come up with that number? Lunacy.


23 posted on 06/26/2011 8:37:34 AM PDT by dainbramaged (I lost my mantra around 1969.)
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To: Psycho_Bunny
Just wait until they round pi off to three point oh and start rolling back the Law of Gravity! Between the liberals and DuhWon, they can decree anything, dontcha know?

/s, as if...

24 posted on 06/26/2011 8:40:16 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: SF_Redux; All

If gas is a lot higher than today, then 50 mpg cars will be very popular.


25 posted on 06/26/2011 8:42:59 AM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: Pontiac

26 posted on 06/26/2011 8:44:56 AM PDT by BufordP ("Drink me if you can't take a joke." -- Kool-aid)
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To: laxcoach
Even my socialist, “environmentalist” (really anti business), father thinks that electric cars are stupid. He brought it up 2 weeks ago while we were fishing. He can’t understand why people think that electric means no environmental impact.

Because it is not really about the environment at all. It is about socialism vs. capitalism.

By gaining control of energy through the limits on carbon emissions they gain control of the economy.

These people have not given up on the carbon credits trading scheme.

The Left uses guerilla tactics in politics. They failed in instituting carbon credits trading by one method so they will achieve it by incrementalism. This is a small step in achieving the end goal.

27 posted on 06/26/2011 8:47:13 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac
U.S. Eyeing 56.2 MPG Cars By 2025

Third gear?

28 posted on 06/26/2011 8:47:54 AM PDT by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: dainbramaged
I wonder how many bong hits it took to come up with that number? Lunacy.

Probably none.

These Leftist have a very tenuous grip on reality. Socialism means never having to let reality interfere with your plans.

29 posted on 06/26/2011 8:51:02 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: BufordP

It’s not considered an automobile by federal standards unless it has at least a solar panel! ; )


30 posted on 06/26/2011 8:51:22 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Pontiac
68 Volkswagen could get 65mpg when fuel was good.
31 posted on 06/26/2011 8:53:02 AM PDT by mountainlion (The time to be on guard against tyranny is before it has gotten you Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Chode
Great graphic Chode

I can’t figure out what the lower left quadrant is.

32 posted on 06/26/2011 8:53:56 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac
I can’t figure out what the lower left quadrant is.

Hammer bashing a GOP elephant? Hopefully, there will be a prize for the best guess.

33 posted on 06/26/2011 9:03:30 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I carrying this lantern? you ask. I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: dead
It requires no work or money or laws from the government. But Obama would like to take credit for it anyway.

What it would require is fuel prices much higher than today.

Fuel prices high enough to get consumers to demand fuel economy that high would require either very high taxes on fuel, much higher demand for fuel from a much wealthier world consumer population to the point were supply could not meet demand (I think that such a over demand could only be temporary in a free market) or an artificial restriction on the supply of fuel.

I see the first and the last being the most likely (if not both) being favored in a socialist society that Obama and his like minded socialist will create.

34 posted on 06/26/2011 9:03:55 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

“Personally I do not believe that the general populace wants the kind of car that would be necessary to achieve that kind of fuel economy.”

I bought a VW Jetta diesel and it gets a good, honest 40 mpg. However, I despise the car. It’s too small. If they’d put a bench seat into it and ditched the fighter plane cockpit design, it would at least be comfortable for long trips. I bought this after trying the new European Ford, the name of which escapes me now. I had a virtual panic attack the back seat as my feet were locked under the driver’s seat and I couldn’t move to get out. I had to untrap my feet with my hands. I immediately went and bought the VW, which was spacious by comparison.

As to why there aren’t more diesel’s the VW salesman told me that each of the 50 states had its own legislation governing diesel cars that VW would have to qualify for 50 times. If VW just imports a handful of cars then they don’t have to go through the various qualifications. In Europe, diesel is more popular than gas and you can get almost any car with a diesel engine.

I bought the “sport wagen” (sic) which has a big hatch on the back. The regular car’s truck was too small for a large cooler. When I travel, I used to take some of my lawn equipment to help out my relatives. I can’t do that in this tiny thing.


35 posted on 06/26/2011 9:04:16 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Pontiac

Problem solved.

36 posted on 06/26/2011 9:07:56 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: WKUHilltopper

“A horse and mule uses no gasoline.”

Exactly.

One can always go Amish.

Think of the jobs created. Buggy whip makers. Horse poop collectors. Horse Grooming. Blacksmiths. Makers of Amish-style hats. The list goes on.


37 posted on 06/26/2011 9:09:43 AM PDT by barracuda1412
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To: mountainlion
68 Volkswagen

A high school friend had one.

I could never feel comfortable in that car. Having the windshield about 3 inches from my nose made me nervous.

But of course in our northern Ohio winters having an old VW with the hot air ducts rusted out meant it was the passenger’s job to keep the windshield scraped clean of frost so being close to the windshield did have a certain advantage.

38 posted on 06/26/2011 9:13:09 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac
GMCHEVYDOLT
39 posted on 06/26/2011 9:16:01 AM PDT by FrankR (A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.)
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Yawn My old 1972 Citroen 2CV got over 60mpg and that was with the 32hp Ami-8 640cc hotrod motor in it.

Drove it everywhere until they raised the speed limit to 65 mph.

It would cruise 70mph but the flow on the freeway jump to 85mph when the limit was raised.

40 posted on 06/26/2011 9:27:33 AM PDT by troy McClure
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To: Psycho_Bunny

This is a bunch of bs...the automakers already know how vaporization technology can get over 100 mpg’s and have for sometime now. Maybe Obama does not know that...I the auto makers are too tied at the hip with the oil companies to decrease their profits by at least 3x. Charles Pogue in Canada actually got 205 mpg’s in a large sedan...the oil stock dropped at verified news of that...was in the 30’s. THey took care of him...made him a millionaire and shelved the product. Before anyone cries conspiracy nut...do some research first!


41 posted on 06/26/2011 9:33:26 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: UriĀ’el-2012
This Administration operates on Magical Thinking.

The reality is that it will force the auto makers to sell more cars that no one wants which means selling them at a loss or with huge government subsidies.

Cars that can get that mileage that high will be tiny little boxes; essentially fully enclosed motorcycles.

The cars will be death traps and another drain on the public coffers because they will be very expensive to produce for what they offer the consumer and the government will have to subsidies them to make them sellable just like the Volt.

One thing that such a car will not be is a highbred. A car that gets that kind of mileage will not be dragging around a heavy battery. As you say the Obama administration has not repealed the laws of physics (yet).

42 posted on 06/26/2011 9:37:42 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: FrankR

EXCELLENT


43 posted on 06/26/2011 9:42:01 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Pontiac

Scottie correctly stated “I canna change the Laws of Physics”


44 posted on 06/26/2011 9:43:56 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: Pontiac
it's a hammer bashing something, but i can't figure it out either... i've reversed the colors, changed colors and still can't make it out

45 posted on 06/26/2011 9:49:52 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Pontiac
Yeah, right.


46 posted on 06/26/2011 9:51:34 AM PDT by Lady Jag (Keep the 'ICk" in Democratic)
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To: gleeaikin

drilling and using OUR OWN DAMN OIL is what is and will be popular ......... anyday


47 posted on 06/26/2011 9:56:17 AM PDT by SF_Redux (Sarah stands for accountablility and personal responsiblity, democrats can't live with that)
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To: Pontiac
They know it's impossible.

They want to force us all onto their "public transportation" systems where Eric Holder's people can have access to us and give us our just desserts.

48 posted on 06/26/2011 9:57:13 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (If Sarah Palin really was unelectable, state-run media would be begging the GOP to nominate her.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
They want to force us all onto their "public transportation"

If they actually succeeded in doing this I think the general public would change their mind about the constitutionality of concealed carry of firearms.

And of course if the general population changed their mind the Dims would suddenly have always been in favor of CCW.

49 posted on 06/26/2011 10:20:10 AM PDT by Pontiac (The welfare state must fail because it is contrary to human nature and diminishes the human spirit.)
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To: Chode
It's a spendthrift socialist hammer smashing your children's piggy bank. The government, in its usual all-consuming spending frenzy, is reaching out across the generations to steal what little savings your children may have, only to blow it on current consumption, heedless of the lack of wisdom or fairness inherent in said theft.

That's what it looks like to me, anyway.
50 posted on 06/26/2011 10:40:43 AM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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