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Theft of cooking oil on rise
Times Herald-record Middletown, NY ^ | 6/26/11 | John Sullivan

Posted on 06/26/2011 8:27:27 PM PDT by Impala64ssa

Middletown — They come in tanker trucks, mostly at night, to steal the liquid still smelling of fried chicken, tacos and egg rolls.

Used cooking oil is as good as gold these days, a consequence of rising crude oil prices and demand for biodiesel. That's put companies that collect the used material from restaurants on guard, industry officials said.

"Sometimes, they're very brazen; they'll come in the early morning or the afternoon and stick a hose in the container and siphon it out," said Jack LaBerta, account manager for Darling International, a national renderer with a plant in Newark, N.J.

LaBerta says that in the past year, his company has found empty oil collection bins at 20 restaurants in Middletown, Newburgh, Kingston and parts of Sullivan County. One crime spree in November apparently deprived his company of more than 1,000 gallons of used cooking oil from Orange County eateries, including six locations in Middletown and the Town of Wallkill, according to Middletown police.

Reports of used oil thefts have also occurred in smaller Orange County communities, such as Goshen, where someone left a slippery mess next to an oil collection bin behind a Chinese restaurant, according to a police report.

Rising fuel demand — and corresponding price hikes — are driving the trend.

Petroleum companies, reaping large profits from a spike in oil prices this year, increase their margins even more by legally blending diesel fuel with cheaper biodiesel, the price of which has not increased much, said Jerry Robock, who runs the Hudson Valley Biodiesel Cooperative. That raises demand for used cooking oil, which renderers recycle into a yellow grease used for animal feed, pharmaceutical products and the production of biodiesel.

It takes about one gallon of used cooking oil to make seven pounds of yellow grease.

(Excerpt) Read more at recordonline.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: biodiesel; cookingoil; diesel; oil; theft
That WAS Michelle 0 lurking behind the local Chinese takeout ;)
1 posted on 06/26/2011 8:27:31 PM PDT by Impala64ssa
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To: Impala64ssa

No blood for cooking oil!


2 posted on 06/26/2011 8:29:39 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (A communist is just a liberal in a hurry)
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To: Impala64ssa

Why would anyone want that crap?

It destroys engines by gluing the piston rings solid to the pistons.


3 posted on 06/26/2011 8:31:28 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: reagan_fanatic

LOL!


4 posted on 06/26/2011 8:35:08 PM PDT by yup2394871293
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks Impala64ssa.
Used cooking oil is as good as gold these days, a consequence of rising crude oil prices and demand for biodiesel.
These thefts wouldn't happen if it weren't for the ethanol subsidies, the incandescent light bulb ban, Israeli construction projects, helmet laws, and velvet paintings of Elvis painted by illegal aliens.


5 posted on 06/26/2011 8:38:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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To: editor-surveyor
It destroys engines by gluing the piston rings solid to the pistons.

Well silly, you have to let vegetable oil age for a while...like say, a million years.

6 posted on 06/26/2011 8:43:29 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Celebrate "Republicans freed the Slaves Month")
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To: SunkenCiv

...i’d only add to the list restrictions on drilling our own oil.
snd people stealing cooking oil, and copper tubing, doesn’t reassure me about a possible breakdown in our society soon.


7 posted on 06/26/2011 8:55:21 PM PDT by Elendur (the hope and change i need: Sarah / Colonel West in 2012)
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To: editor-surveyor

Not if properly filtered and refined to biodiesel.


8 posted on 06/26/2011 8:57:46 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: Elendur

Empty factories are particularly susceptible to the copper thieves.Thieves broke into one empty factory down in Mobile recently and caused $64,000 in damages by stealing copper cables.


9 posted on 06/26/2011 9:01:33 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: editor-surveyor

It’s usually not used straight, but chemically reacted with lye and alcohol to form the fuel compound. Using straight grease would be asking for bad varnish problems in the engine.


10 posted on 06/26/2011 9:01:56 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: Impala64ssa

Padlocks can solve this seemingly intractable problem. Stuff has value and is unsecured? I’m SHOCKED that it would be stolen!


11 posted on 06/26/2011 9:08:16 PM PDT by DBrow
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To: Impala64ssa
It costs about $5 per gallon to convert used cooking oil into usable auto fuel, hardly seems worthwhile. Saponification of cooking oil also produces glycerin.
12 posted on 06/26/2011 9:11:44 PM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: Impala64ssa
All this won't be an issue soon. The food police are actively trying to outlaw cooking in oils for the sake of our health.


13 posted on 06/26/2011 9:18:09 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Even the best biodiesel fails badly.

Last fall the school buses in Bend, Oregon all stalled with a load of passengers aboard, as the fuel slowly gelled in the fuel lines after they left the heated garage.

It took all the rest of the day to get the kids home, because they had zero buses with real diesel fuel in their tanks.

Politically correct is wonderful, isn’t it!


14 posted on 06/26/2011 9:18:09 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Huskrrrr
Saponification of cooking oil also produces glycerin.

It's not just from soap making anymore.


15 posted on 06/26/2011 9:19:54 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: Huskrrrr

Bbbbut it’s for the children...


16 posted on 06/26/2011 9:21:03 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor; Impala64ssa
Why would anyone want that crap?

It destroys engines by gluing the piston rings solid to the pistons.

Doesn't oil polymerize under the right conditions?

17 posted on 06/26/2011 9:26:25 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: editor-surveyor

Because you can make biodiesel out of it — that’s regular old diesel fuel, by the way, exactly what you get at the pump — like we do for a diesel Mercedes.


18 posted on 06/26/2011 9:32:33 PM PDT by Blue Ink
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To: Blue Ink

No, you need to get educated.


19 posted on 06/26/2011 9:39:35 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Lazlo in PA
My retirement grease!
20 posted on 06/26/2011 9:40:26 PM PDT by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: Impala64ssa
Restaurants that once paid renderers to take the oil away are now getting paid by the renderers.

I had to dig down into the article to see who exactly was the victim here. If the restaurants are selling the oil, and it is getting stolen, they will sonn respond by locking up the oil. The fact that they used to have to pay someone to take it away is probably why they don't have locks now. Odd that it is the biodiesel companies complaining, though.

If garbage trucks ran on biodiesel, they could pick up their own fuel.

21 posted on 06/26/2011 9:42:45 PM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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To: thecodont

There are bacteria that can gell diesel or kerosene, but a small amount of inhibitor will protect real diesel for about three years.


22 posted on 06/26/2011 9:43:18 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Vince Ferrer

>> “If garbage trucks ran on biodiesel, they could pick up their own fuel.” <<

.
And become their own load of garbage.


23 posted on 06/26/2011 9:45:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor

LOL


24 posted on 06/26/2011 9:56:27 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Impala64ssa

I live around the affected areas, my local eateries have been targeted victims of this.

Let me explain something to you, this is NOT for biodiesel.

THIS IS BEING CRUDELY ‘FILTERED’ THEN MIXED INTO COMMERCIAL COOKING OIL AND BEING RESOLD IN NYC AT THE SUPPLIER LEVEL.

It’s been an endemic problem in China for 20 years, and now the money making scheme has been imported to the US.


25 posted on 06/26/2011 10:01:29 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: JerseyHighlander
THIS IS BEING CRUDELY ‘FILTERED’ THEN MIXED INTO COMMERCIAL COOKING OIL AND BEING RESOLD IN NYC AT THE SUPPLIER LEVEL.

Ugh. Now would get me to stop eating greasy fast food quicker than any edict from the government.

26 posted on 06/26/2011 10:30:44 PM PDT by kosciusko51
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To: kosciusko51

If you have issues with the cooking oil at that Chinese restaurant, consider that the nice flavor in that pork filled Dim Sum is probably - PORK ANUSES!

Google ‘inverted pork anuses’ for the price, availability, etc.


27 posted on 06/26/2011 10:51:41 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles, Kill the EPA!!!)
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To: HiTech RedNeck; DBrow; editor-surveyor; Vince Ferrer; JerseyHighlander
HiTech RedNeck wrote:
It’s usually not used straight, but chemically reacted with lye and alcohol to form the fuel compound. Using straight grease would be asking for bad varnish problems in the engine.
You are correct. Usually it's "converted" to biodiesel (ethyl esters) by a chemical process you describe fairly accurately.

It is possible to modify a vehicle to run on strate Waste Vegetable oil. The modifications required are primarily to the fuel tanks and lines. If you can keep it hot and filter the heck out of it, a diesel engine will burn it fine. The problem is straight waste grease has a very high melting temp (depending on the oils used, it can be over 100°F). You have to heat the fuel tank and all the fuel lines. You also need serious filtration to filter out the bits of french fries and batter that are in the "fuel." In the past, I've owned two VW Diesels which were adequately modified for this, but with biodiesel available these days, I wouldn't bother.

DBrow wrote:
Padlocks can solve this seemingly intractable problem. Stuff has value and is unsecured? I’m SHOCKED that it would be stolen!
It will take a bit more than padlocks. Anyone showing up with a tanker truck (or a truck loaded with 55 gallon drums) and the equipment to pump the stuff can probably bring along a nice big bolt cutter for the padlock.
editor-surveyor wrote:
Even the best biodiesel fails badly.

Last fall the school buses in Bend, Oregon all stalled with a load of passengers aboard, as the fuel slowly gelled in the fuel lines after they left the heated garage.

It took all the rest of the day to get the kids home, because they had zero buses with real diesel fuel in their tanks.
Biodiesel (and petro-diesel for that matter) are available as "#2 diesel" which is pure diesel for summer use, and as "#1 diesel" which is winterized with additives for winter use. The additives (kerosene or alcohol) lower the "gel point" and prevent the problem of fuel gelling in the fuel lines.

Anyone running #2 diesel when outside temperatures are below freezing is an idiot. Whether they are using biodiesel or petro-diesel does not matter. What matters is if they are stupid enough to try using summer fuel in winter weather conditions.

The problem there wasn't the biofuel, it was the idiots putting the wrong fuel in the tank. They could have caused just as much trouble with summer petro-diesel. Would you have said biodiesel is great if they put summer petro-diesel in the tank and "fixed" the problem by putting in winterized biodiesel? It could happen that way too.

Vince Ferrer wrote:
I had to dig down into the article to see who exactly was the victim here. If the restaurants are selling the oil, and it is getting stolen, they will sonn respond by locking up the oil. The fact that they used to have to pay someone to take it away is probably why they don't have locks now. Odd that it is the biodiesel companies complaining, though.
This is a more complicated relationship than your average reporter could understand. It doesn't surprise me that the article doesn't cover it.

The victim here is probably both the restaurant and the recycler. Actually, if the restaraunt wants to make a complaint and press the issue, they might get the recycler to pay them for the stolen oil.

Here is how it works. The recycler provides the containers and officially takes posession of the oil when the restaurant places it in the provided container. They should be providing locking containers now that theft is an issue.

I actually wonder how many of the restaurants are doing something fraudulent here. As I said, if they really complain loudly, they could get paid for the "stolen" oil. It's not the restaurant's fault that the recycler provided an insecure container to hold their "valuable assets."

Also, if they are locked into a contract with low prices (well below today's market value) for the oil, it's possible that the restaurants are also allowing someone else to pick up the oil for cash at a higher price, and the recycler is just losing their source, which is locked in at the contracted price, well below market value now. In that case, the restaraunt operator is participting in the theft from the recycler.

JerseyHighlander wrote:
Let me explain something to you, this is NOT for biodiesel.

THIS IS BEING CRUDELY ‘FILTERED’ THEN MIXED INTO COMMERCIAL COOKING OIL AND BEING RESOLD IN NYC AT THE SUPPLIER LEVEL.
At today's prices, I seriously doubt this his happening.

The recyclers/renderers get better prices selling "the good stuff" (the clearest, cleanest grades of their recycled product) to pharmaceutical companies for use in gel capsules, and the rest to biodiesel co-ops for refining/conversion to diesel fuel. When diesel is $4/gallon, you don't sell it as "cheap recycled cooking grease" for cooking at $2/gallon wholesale.

And even when it is sold as cooking oil, it's more likely going to commercial "food processing" plants than restaurants. You'll get the deep fried results of that in the snack food aisles at your local grocer (potato chips, corn chips and pork rinds), and in the frozen food aisles.

28 posted on 06/27/2011 4:05:05 AM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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If you know what you're doing and have the correct equipment and chemicals, used cooking oil can be turned into good quality biodiesel fuel.

Weekend Project: Making Biodiesel

Biodiesel: Journey to Forever

29 posted on 06/27/2011 4:14:28 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: Impala64ssa
...someone left a slippery mess next to an oil collection bin...

Years ago, a mess hall on a military base where I worked dumped some waste cooking oil in an adjacent roadway. I don't know if it was accidental, intentional, or the drains backed up, but that stuff coated the bottom of my car and I nearly slid into a guard rail. For a couple of weeks, my car smelled like hamburgers as it burned off the exhaust system.

30 posted on 06/27/2011 4:19:54 AM PDT by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Even the best homebrew biodiesel is not quite good enough to use in the newer piezoelectric injector systems, as it’s too thick. Older mechanical or electro-mechanical injector systems is okay to use...............


31 posted on 06/27/2011 5:55:37 AM PDT by Red Badger (Nothing is a 'right' if someone has to give it to you................)
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To: Impala64ssa; sully777; vigl; Cagey; Abathar; A. Patriot; B Knotts; getsoutalive; muleskinner; ...

Rest In Peace, old friend, your work is finished.....

If you want ON or OFF the DIESEL ”KnOcK” LIST just FReepmail me.....

This is a fairly HIGH VOLUME ping list on some days.....

32 posted on 06/27/2011 5:56:27 AM PDT by Red Badger (Nothing is a 'right' if someone has to give it to you................)
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To: cc2k

You’re saying pharmaceutical companies are such penny pinchers and use so much oil in a capsule or tablet, that it would make it worth the while to use “premium” recycled frying oil versus buying virgin, consumer kitchen grade food oils? Maybe it’s green but it’s also yuck.


33 posted on 06/27/2011 6:46:02 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Hawk)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
HiTech RedNeck wrote:
You’re saying pharmaceutical companies are such penny pinchers and use so much oil in a capsule or tablet, that it would make it worth the while to use “premium” recycled frying oil versus buying virgin, consumer kitchen grade food oils? Maybe it’s green but it’s also yuck.
I'm not the only one saying it. It was in the article if you click through.
From the Article:
That raises demand for used cooking oil, which renderers recycle into a yellow grease used for animal feed, pharmaceutical products and the production of biodiesel.

<snip>

Making biodiesel doesn't even require the really "clean" stuff that renderers sell to pharmaceutical companies to make such products as gel capsules for medicines, for example …
Mostly I'm just repeating what I've read (and not just on this article).
34 posted on 06/27/2011 7:01:12 AM PDT by cc2k ( If having an "R" makes you conservative, does walking into a barn make you a horse's (_*_)?)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner; Red Badger; All

The problem is that “good quality biodiesel” is not the same as good quality diesel.

The nature of the oils is not conducive to clean combustion, lubrication, and cold weather functionality. No amount of fast talking or fancy footwork will change that.

“Biodiesel” could be used in specially designed engines, but the financial return would not be there to undertake that.

Biodiesel is a political game that needs to come to an end. Use the oil to make heating oil, or something of that sort, if you must, but leave the transportation industry alone.


35 posted on 06/27/2011 10:05:15 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Impala64ssa

“Darling International”

MMMMM! MMMMM! MMMMM!

Anybody smell that?


36 posted on 06/27/2011 7:27:29 PM PDT by right way right
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To: GladesGuru
.,.pork a$$ ping.
37 posted on 06/28/2011 12:01:38 AM PDT by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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