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Lightbulb Rules Spark Political Fight (Bachmann wants repeal of 2007 law)
Industry Week ^ | 6/27/11 | Rob Lever

Posted on 06/27/2011 7:24:46 AM PDT by Libloather

Lightbulb Rules Spark Political Fight
However, new legislation may not change what manufacturers are doing in creating more efficient bulbs that use halogen, LED or other new technology.
By Rob Lever, Agence France-Presse
June 27, 2011

With a January deadline looming on a U.S. law mandating energy efficiency standards for lightbulbs, some political forces don't want to turn out the lights. More than a dozen Republican lawmakers are backing efforts to repeal the 2007 law that requires bulbs to consume less energy. Meanwhile Texas has enacted a law that would exempt itself from the federal requirement, and other states are debating similar legislation.

Some consumers have also begun hoarding the old incandescent bulbs based on an erroneous fear that these will be banned starting January 1 and consumers will be forced to buy compact fluorescent or other new types of bulbs. The law does not ban incandescent bulbs, but creates new standards for them, basically requiring increased efficiency, so that the bulbs with a lighting equivalent of 100 watts consume just 72 watts.

Still, repeal backers including at least two Republican presidential candidates argue the law is an intrusion on Americans' freedom of choice. Activists have launched petition drives calling the rules an example of a "nanny" state. "The government has no business telling an individual what kind of light bulb to buy," said Representative Michele Bachmann, who is running for president, in introducing her "Light Bulb Freedom of Choice Act" earlier this year. And she told a party gathering in June: "President Bachmann will allow you to buy any light bulb you want in the United States of America."

A separate bill has been introduced by Representative Joe Barton, joined by 14 other congressmen including Ron Paul, another presidential contender. Barton said the 2007 law has resulted in "Washington-mandated layoffs in the middle of a desperate recession" and added "Washington is making too many decisions that are better left to people who work for their own paychecks and earn their own living."

A similar bill has introduced been introduced in the Senate by Republicans Jim DeMint of South Carolina and Mike Enzi of Wyoming.

Barton and others argue that the new law -- which was signed by Republican president George W. Bush -- would force consumers to switch to compact fluorescent lights (CFLs), most of which are not made in the United States. Additionally, critics of the law claim CFLs contain toxic mercury, cannot be dimmed, and produce an inferior light.

A survey of U.S. consumers by the lighting firm Osram Sylvania showed 28% were worried about the demise of the traditional bulb and 13% may start hoarding 100-watt bulbs. But the survey also showed 59% of respondents "eager to use more energy efficient lighting solutions," the company said.

Industry representatives say there are public misconceptions about the law, including the notion of a ban on incandescents. "Consumers need to know they will still have incandescent bulbs, they don't need to hoard bulbs," said Kyle Pitsor, vice president of the National Electrical Manufacturers Association, which represents lighting producers. "The new incandescent bulbs will save them money and they will have more choices than ever before."

In Texas, Governor Rick Perry on June 17 signed a bill that exempts the state from the federal law, as long as incandescent light bulbs are manufactured and sold within the state. Similar legislation is pending in South Carolina and Pennsylvania. In Arizona, a bill passed by the legislature was vetoed by Governor Jan Brewer, who said it could not be implemented because within the state there are no mining or processing plants for tungsten, which is needed for incandescent bulbs.

Industry representatives contend the state laws may be counterproductive, adding it was unlikely that a manufacturer would establish a plant just for one state.

Kim Freeman of GE Appliances & Lighting said the various state efforts could lead to "a patchwork of inconsistent standards across the nation that would mean increased manufacturing and distribution costs, higher prices for consumers and lost sales for retailers."

Larry Lauk, spokesman for the American Lighting Association, said any new legislation may not change what manufacturers are doing in creating more efficient bulbs that use halogen, LED or other new technology.

"Manufacturers have already moved down the road," he said.


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"Manufacturers have already moved down the road"

They'll move back.

1 posted on 06/27/2011 7:24:55 AM PDT by Libloather
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To: Libloather; proud_yank; Bockscar; grey_whiskers; WL-law; IrishCatholic; Whenifhow; SolitaryMan; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

2 posted on 06/27/2011 7:26:29 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: Libloather
"a patchwork of inconsistent standards across the nation that would mean increased manufacturing and distribution costs, higher prices for consumers and lost sales for retailers."

On the street we call it a "cluster f***".

3 posted on 06/27/2011 7:27:26 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Libloather

And God said, “Let there be light.”

And Texas said, “Amen!”


4 posted on 06/27/2011 7:28:20 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: kittymyrib

Anybody want to buy this Texan’s supply?


5 posted on 06/27/2011 7:33:50 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: EGPWS
Another reason to like Michele. I finally figured out that the no phosphate dishwasher soap has arrived in our area and explains why our dishes never come clean anymore. I noticed yesterday that my lawn fertilizer now makes the same claim so I'm sure that will be as worthless as the dish soap. I've had enough of the nanny state; GET OUT OF MY LIFE!
6 posted on 06/27/2011 7:34:39 AM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: Libloather

You can buy 100 watt bulbs cheap by the case on the internet (ebay, amazon, etc).


7 posted on 06/27/2011 7:38:45 AM PDT by Voltage
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To: throwback

I remember back in the day when they took phosphates out of Tide and other detergents. Our clothes were never really clean after that.

“Against this back drop the Industry fought against any out right prohibition of phosphate in detergents. There was also particular concern that diverse local regulations would create a patchwork of maximum phosphate standards among communities and states. The Industry tried to avoid any conflict by voluntarily agreeing to reduce detergent phosphorus concentrations to 8.7% in 1970 (Duthie 1972). This was considered only a first step by the general public. The Industry tried to prevent (or at least deter until an adequate phosphate-substitute was identified) legislation against phosphates in detergents more or less simultaneously on 1) a national level arguing scientific and policy grounds, and 2) on more local levels arguing against the legality of municipal and state phosphate bans or restrictions.”

http://www.colorado.edu/conflict/full_text_search/AllCRCDocs/94-54.htm


8 posted on 06/27/2011 7:39:39 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: throwback

Yeah like the new lemony natural ant sprays. The micro- pissants trying to attack my sugar in my kitchen laugh at it.


9 posted on 06/27/2011 7:39:49 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Libloather

“Governor Jan Brewer, who said it could not be implemented because within the state there are no mining or processing plants for tungsten, which is needed for incandescent bulbs.”

Nice BS excuse. Federal hack.


10 posted on 06/27/2011 7:41:41 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (Fix bayonets!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
Yeah like the new lemony natural ant sprays. The micro- pissants trying to attack my sugar in my kitchen laugh at it.

Reminds me of the "Off! Botanicals Insect Repellent." It doesn't do a very good job of repelling anything, but it does make it easy to squish the little bloodsuckers when they get caught in the greasy mess.
11 posted on 06/27/2011 7:46:45 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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To: Libloather

Any manufacturer who has “moved down the road” is an idiot. In a capitalistic society the consumer is the driver.

Research into new technology is what a manufacturer does on the side and he tests the consumer’s responses on a small scale. If the consumer response is good, he ramps up production. If the old product falls out of favor and the manufacture can no longer make money, he drops it.

Buggy whip production didn’t stop with the invention of the automobile, it effectively stopped when there was no longer enough demand to make it profitable. (Buggy whips are still made but they’re a specialty item)


12 posted on 06/27/2011 7:48:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Libloather
"The government has no business telling an individual what kind of light bulb to buy," said Representative Michele Bachmann, who is running for president, in introducing her "Light Bulb Freedom of Choice Act" earlier this year. And she told a party gathering in June: "President Bachmann will allow you to buy any light bulb you want in the United States of America."

Bravely speaking truth to popular fiction, Bachmann has more courage (and common sense) than the rest of the current field of announced GOPer candidates, combined.

In fact, she can be referred to as the ONE BRIGHT LIGHT among the Republicans.

.

13 posted on 06/27/2011 7:49:43 AM PDT by Seaplaner (Never give in. Never give in. Never...except to convictions of honour and good sense. W. Churchill)
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To: Seaplaner

There are probably still a lot of people that don’t realize that incandescents are being outlawed.

This needs to be shouted far and wide.

If even half the country realizes that this is a huge encroachment and has the attitude that “the government SHOULDN’T be able to do this”, perhaps they’ll start examining some of the other things the ruling class is foisting on us.


14 posted on 06/27/2011 7:55:26 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Libloather

Here in Maine, where it’s dark at 4 PM in winter, I’ve already stockpiled enough 100 watt light bulbs to last me until the end of World War 7.

Still, I intend to buy more, and also more 75 and 60 watt bulbs.

The “old fashioned” light bulbs also help to heat up a small room, an added benefit in a cold climate.


15 posted on 06/27/2011 7:58:45 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (Palin / West in 2012 or West / Palin. Either combination will serve America well.)
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To: Liz; AT7Saluki; writer33
...so that the bulbs with a lighting equivalent of 100 watts consume just 72 watts.

They'll be labeled '72 watt bulbs' - no?

16 posted on 06/27/2011 8:01:49 AM PDT by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: Libloather

They need to switch their label measurement to lumens with verbiage like “100W equivalent” until people get used to comparing lumens to lumens.


17 posted on 06/27/2011 8:03:31 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Libloather

Oh yes they will. They will move where the money is. I hope and pray this law is repealed. I’ve already had enough with low flow toilets. Thanks to government taking away our rights to own a toilet that actually works.


18 posted on 06/27/2011 8:04:01 AM PDT by MsLady (Be the kind of woman that when you get up in the morning, the devil says, "Oh crap, she's UP !!")
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To: Libloather
I don't even *use* 100W bulbs, and I bought an 8-pack of them to put aside.

Why? I might need to have one, someday.

Tell the nanny state to get the $^##$% out of my life!

19 posted on 06/27/2011 8:04:46 AM PDT by wbill
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
And the CFL’s take 5 minutes to reach full brightness in any kind of cold. We go into our garage to smoke in the winter, and the light's haven't even hit peak by the time we're done. Wonderful product! I guess you wouldn't notice that if you lived in Texas, huh, GW?
20 posted on 06/27/2011 8:06:39 AM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
The micro- pissants trying to attack my sugar in my kitchen laugh at it.
Pissant got zotted.

oh... nevermind...

21 posted on 06/27/2011 8:10:03 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Libloather

“The law does not ban incandescent bulbs.”

Yeah right. Try finding one to buy once the law goes into effect.


22 posted on 06/27/2011 8:11:18 AM PDT by cydcharisse (`)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation
Team Obama Making Electricity Rates Necessarily Skyrocket 60%

Get Obama and all democrat commiecrats out!

23 posted on 06/27/2011 8:13:28 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: samtheman

Yeah he was zotted because he was not a Palinista and I think he had a Bachmann ping list. Was he zotted with lemony crap or DEET?


24 posted on 06/27/2011 8:16:07 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

Know what works on those little ants? 409 spray. Kills those little bastards dead and they don’t come back.


25 posted on 06/27/2011 8:24:34 AM PDT by ponygirl
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!

I was on the thread that day. That was not the reason. Not by a long shot.


26 posted on 06/27/2011 8:29:04 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Libloather

Throw out the law mandating low-flush toilets as well.


27 posted on 06/27/2011 8:31:12 AM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Voltage

Bought some 100 watt bulbs from a company through Amazon only to have the order cancelled. They won’t sell to Californians. I had to order the bulbs from an out of state company. They shipped them. Soon we’ll be ordering them from out of the country! Really? What a bunch of nuts we keep voting into office in this country...


28 posted on 06/27/2011 8:37:56 AM PDT by TheDon (The Democrat Party, the party of the KKK (tm))
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To: Libloather
Just show that the energy ‘consumed’ is not only 100% from when you turn the bulb on and off

The manufacturing costs for these things must be 10 times the cost of an incandescent, and what about the disposal and environmental ‘costs’ of MERCURY in each and every one?

The toxic cleanup from one broken ‘new’ bulbs is 1000 times the energy of a regular bulb.

29 posted on 06/27/2011 8:51:33 AM PDT by Mr. K (CAPSLOCK! -Unleash the fury! [Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket])
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To: Libloather

All the libs need to do is get a rider attached that bans corn subsidies. Then she’ll change her tune.


30 posted on 06/27/2011 8:52:46 AM PDT by Slump Tester (What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh -Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: Libloather
Some consumers have also begun hoarding the old incandescent bulbs based on an erroneous fear that these will be banned starting January 1 and consumers will be forced to buy compact fluorescent or other new types of bulbs. The law does not ban incandescent bulbs, but creates new standards for them, basically requiring increased efficiency...

That's odd - the 100-watt incandescent outdoor floodlight bulbs have already been phased-out. I don't see any "100-watt equivalent" incandescents of that bulb type on the shelves.

31 posted on 06/27/2011 8:58:05 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Libloather

“However, new legislation may not change what manufacturers are doing in creating more efficient bulbs that use halogen, LED or other new technology.”

So what? LEDs are better but the market should decide that, not the government.


32 posted on 06/27/2011 9:00:44 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: ponygirl

Thanks.


33 posted on 06/27/2011 9:01:58 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: ilovesarah2012; throwback

One teaspoon of Savogran TSP (tri-sodium phosphate) located in the Paint Dept of Home Depot, added to Cascade or Tide per load puts the phosphates right back. I’ve been using it and it’s just like the old days! The dishwasher cleans dishes again and stopped smelling—no pre-washing other than large food chunks. Clothes come out cleaner.


34 posted on 06/27/2011 9:06:11 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: mikey_hates_everything

I didn’t know that. Thanks!


35 posted on 06/27/2011 9:09:14 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: mikey_hates_everything
Oh, thanks for that. Thought there had to be a work-around. I'll try that.
36 posted on 06/27/2011 9:09:39 AM PDT by throwback ( The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid)
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To: Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
"Yeah like the new lemony natural ant sprays. The micro- pissants trying to attack my sugar in my kitchen laugh at it."

One word--Talstar. I found it on eBay. It's banned in a bunch of lib states so I figured it must be good. It got rid of my ants and according to the studies I found on it (the active chemical is bifenthrin), it has a long residual life, stays in place indoors and out, and is very safe for mammals when used as directed. However, it's very toxic to aquatic life so be careful around ponds or streams.

37 posted on 06/27/2011 9:14:54 AM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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To: Libloather

they’ll still be making old-school lightbulbs for years to come for the 90% of countries that either can’t afford “green” lighting or were not stupid enough to pass this mandate.


38 posted on 06/27/2011 9:43:52 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: EGPWS

“a patchwork of inconsistent standards across the nation that would mean increased manufacturing and distribution costs, higher prices for consumers and lost sales for retailers.”

Which is why they all head straight for D.C. It’s one-stop shopping for all of their influence peddling.


39 posted on 06/27/2011 9:46:06 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Libloather

“Manufacturers have already moved down the road”

“They’ll move back. “

Maybe, maybe not. CFls and LEDs have advantages, but the old fashioned light is cheap and effective for many uses.

What is certain is that Government dictation of this is destructive and dumb.


40 posted on 06/27/2011 10:50:48 AM PDT by WOSG (Herman Cain for President)
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To: throwback

“Another reason to like Michele”

Yeah, I am coming around to that as well.


41 posted on 06/27/2011 10:52:52 AM PDT by WOSG (Herman Cain for President)
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To: MrB

I think you are right, I talk to a lot of people who are surprised by this when I tell them.


42 posted on 06/27/2011 11:07:25 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: mikey_hates_everything

My wife has been doing the same thing. It is shame we just can’t buy stuff we like that works though.


43 posted on 06/27/2011 11:23:20 AM PDT by jospehm20
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To: throwback; Blood of Tyrants

Thanks to Blood of Tyrants who posted this yesterday. You can replace the phosphates in your dishwasher soap with Trisodium Phosphate, carried at Home Depot and Lowe’s, 1 tsp per load. More details here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2740228/posts

Posted on Sunday, June 26, 2011 2:13:10 PM by Blood of Tyrants


44 posted on 06/27/2011 11:33:48 AM PDT by boxlunch
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To: jospehm20

Most people know that this is an intrusion that shouldn’t be tolerated by a free people,

but many libs would support it,
and some would even deny that it’s happening.

Someone told me they told a lib acquaintance about the FDA’s $90,000 fine for selling $200 worth of rabbits, and the lib denied the truth of the incident. In his opinion, there’s no way that his beloved ruling class would do that to someone.


45 posted on 06/27/2011 11:44:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Libloather
critics of the law claim CFLs contain toxic mercury

Following the logic presented here, supporters of the law deny CFLs contain toxic mercury. Right?

46 posted on 06/27/2011 1:41:58 PM PDT by Constitutionalist Conservative (Two blogs for the price of none!)
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To: Libloather

We all know this is not about light bulbs. It is about additional government control over our lives. It is just another extension of then “No Smoking” laws.


47 posted on 06/27/2011 8:40:38 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (I retain the right to be inconsistent, contradictory and even flat-out wrong!)
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To: mikey_hates_everything; Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid!
One word--Talstar. I found it on eBay. It's banned in a bunch of lib states so I figured it must be good. It got rid of my ants and according to the studies I found on it (the active chemical is bifenthrin), it has a long residual life, stays in place indoors and out, and is very safe for mammals when used as directed. However, it's very toxic to aquatic life so be careful around ponds or streams.

Ortho Home Defense Max has bifenthrin as active ingredient -at .05%. Talstar is concentrated bifenthrin - so you have to dilute. Ortho product can be purchased in stores.

Ortho Home Defense Max

48 posted on 06/28/2011 5:22:32 AM PDT by floozy22
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To: floozy22

Thanks. I found the actual ant pile hidden sorta by the outside kitchen window. Hit it with triazicide granules and so far so good.


49 posted on 06/28/2011 8:43:54 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Allen West 2012 Make it happen!)
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To: floozy22

You’re right, Ortho does use that chemical. The concentrate is much cheaper, though, and I can make more for a lot less doing my own dilutions.


50 posted on 06/28/2011 6:54:05 PM PDT by mikey_hates_everything
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