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EPA Warns House Bill Would 'Overturn' Clean Water Law
New York Times ^ | 6/23/11 | Paul Quillian

Posted on 06/27/2011 3:23:26 PM PDT by EBH

U.S. EPA warned of the potential dire consequences of legislation being fast-tracked through the House that would give states final say on rules concerning water, wetlands and mountaintop-removal mining.

In a four-page legal analysis (pdf), EPA said the measure (H.R. 2018 (pdf)) sponsored by House Transportation and Infrastructure Chairman John Mica (R-Fla.) and ranking member Nick Rahall (D-W.Va.) "would overturn almost 40 years of federal legislation by preventing EPA from protecting public health and water quality."

GOP House leaders expect to bring the bill to a floor vote this summer.

EPA said the Mica-Rahall bill would "significantly undermine" the agency's role of overseeing states' establishment and enforcement of water pollution limits and permits. It said the measure would hinder EPA's ability to intervene on behalf of downstream states harmed by pollution coming from a state upstream. And it said the bill would prevent EPA from protecting local communities from ill-conceived mountaintop-removal and similar projects allowed to go forward under Army Corps of Engineers-issued permits.

"This would fundamentally disrupt the balance established by the original [Clean Water Act] in 1972 -- a law that carefully constructed complementary roles for EPA, the Corps, and states," the analysis said.

...At its core, the bill would prevent EPA from reversing or overruling previously issued approval of state water quality limits, permitting authority, or permits to dredge and fill waterways or wetlands.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: defundepa; democrats; envirofascism; environazis; epa; epabrownshirts; liberalfascism; liberals; statesrights
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The bill would remove the Federal Government as the end all be all of playing ...who know's best!
1 posted on 06/27/2011 3:23:32 PM PDT by EBH
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To: EBH

EPA should’ve been thinking of this when they started getting anal.


2 posted on 06/27/2011 3:25:33 PM PDT by chopperman
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To: EBH

Greetings EBH:

Who would notice? Every state as an EPA, and the waterways between states already fall under USCG jurisdiction.

Cheers,
OLA


3 posted on 06/27/2011 3:27:40 PM PDT by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others provide citations.)
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To: EBH

Werks fer me.

git er done.


4 posted on 06/27/2011 3:28:06 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: EBH
"This would fundamentally disrupt the balance established by the original [Clean Water Act] in 1972

Balance??????? Haven't seen much of that.

5 posted on 06/27/2011 3:28:13 PM PDT by RatRipper (I'll ride a turtle to work every day before I buy anything from Government Motors.)
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To: EBH

Go for it!

Since they can’t play nice...defang ‘em.


6 posted on 06/27/2011 3:29:15 PM PDT by Adder (Say NO to the O in 2 oh 12)
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To: EBH

If I had my way, there would be two jobs for any EPA employee. The first job, for the ‘star’ performers would be to sort out plastics, paper, aluminum cans, etc from the trash at the countless land fills in this country. For the upper management, they would be sifting through the effluent from the countless waste water treatment plants and plucking the used prophylactics and other sanitary products from the treatment flow. That’s all they’re good for.


7 posted on 06/27/2011 3:29:21 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: EBH

Keep it warm for 2012. Obama will veto of course, but the incoming Republican better sign it.


8 posted on 06/27/2011 3:33:09 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: EBH

De-fund that bunch of power crazed Lefties pushing EPA Nazi Edict and sell off ,that agency’s property while you are at it.


9 posted on 06/27/2011 3:33:28 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: EBH

YES! About time for this and many more like it.


10 posted on 06/27/2011 3:33:32 PM PDT by Pat4ever
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To: Gaffer

We just took a major hit in our jurisdiction from the EPA at a regional water level.


11 posted on 06/27/2011 3:33:43 PM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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"would overturn almost 40 years of federal legislation by preventing EPA from protecting public health and water quality."

Why do you say that like its a bad thing?

12 posted on 06/27/2011 3:35:27 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: EBH
Nothing in the bill overturns, prevents or eliminates any of EPA's traditional authorities or roles -- the bill simply restores the historic balance between the EPA and states under the Clean Water Act."

But it MAY stop the EPA from taking control of every molecule of water on, in or under the ground.

13 posted on 06/27/2011 3:35:37 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Cheetahcat

EPA budget cuts put states in bind
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/environment/epa-budget-cuts-put-states-in-bind/2011/06/08/AGbVpYdH_story.html


14 posted on 06/27/2011 3:36:16 PM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: EBH

First executive order of any incoming Republican President - dismantle the EPA.

Its constitutional authority is questionable to begin with, and they have arrogated power to themselves that is far in excess of what any regulatory agency should possess.

The free market is entirely and eminently well equipped, and has sufficient motive, to provide for the environment all by itself, thank you, and needs no staff of bureaucrats to stand over and dictate policy, which can change with the whim of one pressure group or another.

EPA should go, if for no other reason than they have declared carbon dioxide to be a “pollutant”, an example of spectacularly bad “scientific” reasoning.


15 posted on 06/27/2011 3:36:19 PM PDT by alloysteel ("Devastate your rivals, take no prisoners, smash mouths, glare meaningfully.")
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To: EBH

EPA should be disbanded. The bill is a start in the right direction.


16 posted on 06/27/2011 3:40:34 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: EBH
bill would "significantly undermine" the agency's role

GOOD! It's about time!! The EPA has become zero's own rogue agency!

17 posted on 06/27/2011 3:41:50 PM PDT by gidget7 ("When a man assumes a public trust, he should consider himself as public property." Thomas Jefferson)
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To: alloysteel

This just amounts to delegating authority. The states are just as stupid as the EPA and the Feds will find another way to git ya.


18 posted on 06/27/2011 3:43:51 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: EBH
Can't the epa proclaim any law passed by Congress null and void if they feel it might bring harm to gaia?
19 posted on 06/27/2011 3:44:18 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: EBH

EPA budget cuts put states in bind
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/environment/epa-budget-cuts-put-states-in-bind/2011/06/08/AGbVpYdH_story.html

Unreal, thanks for the link.


20 posted on 06/27/2011 3:45:40 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: EBH

Be kinds to your friends in the swamp,
For a duck could be somebody’s mother..

(cue John Phillip Sousa and the piccolo segue)


21 posted on 06/27/2011 3:46:38 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: Gaffer
If I had my way, there would be two jobs for any EPA employee. The first job, for the ‘star’ performers would be to sort out plastics, paper, aluminum cans, etc from the trash at the countless land fills in this country. For the upper management, they would be sifting through the effluent from the countless waste water treatment plants and plucking the used prophylactics and other sanitary products from the treatment flow. That’s all they’re good for.

I must say, I like the cut of your jib!

22 posted on 06/27/2011 3:48:56 PM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: EBH
EPA's mountaintop mining rules will result in the deaths of many coal miners who will continue to mine underground mines rather than enjoy the relative safety and improved conditions found in strip mining.

EPA staff people responsible for these rules are GHOULS and should be dragged bodily from their waffle bottomed chairs and tossed into the streets.

23 posted on 06/27/2011 3:49:29 PM PDT by muawiyah
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Lyrics:
Be kind to your web-footed friends
For that duck may be somebody’s mother,
She lives in a nest in a swamp
Where the weather is always damp.

You may think that this is the end,
Well it is, but to prove we’re all liars,
We’re going to sing it again,
Only this time we’ll sing a little higher.

[Repeat the song but sing it a bit higher. Continue for as many rounds as you can stand.]

Finally, end with:
You may think that this is the end....
Well you’re right!


Be kind to your old umbrella,
For some day it may be under the weather.
Be kind to your old pair of shoes,
And they’ll keep out the rain and mud.


Be kind to your fur-bearing friends,
For a skunk may be somebody’s brother.
Be kind to your friends with the stripes
Including raccoons and snipes.

http://www.boyscouttrail.com/content/song/song-1499.asp

http://kids.niehs.nih.gov/lyrics/bekindto.htm


24 posted on 06/27/2011 3:50:24 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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To: alloysteel
Its constitutional authority is questionable to begin with, and they have arrogated power to themselves that is far in excess of what any regulatory agency should possess.

The EPA has destroyed more jobs and killed more people than any other agency of government. And what, pray tell, is any constitutional authority for a REGULATORY AGENCY????? The regulations have the force of law, which means bullets, behind them, and NOBODY VOTED TO GIVE THEM THAT AUTHORITY! They are funded by massive amounts of tax dollars THAT NOBODY VOTED TO GIVE THEM!!!!

The EPA should be defunded and disbanded, yesterday.

25 posted on 06/27/2011 3:51:14 PM PDT by Judith Anne ( Holy Mary, Mother of God, please pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.)
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To: Cheetahcat

I often think the liberals cut that which publicly hurts the most. In doing that, they create a guilty party for the next round of cuts.

Sort of like when they cut the police and fire department, before the cut the desk jockey. The other day I saw 2 trucks and 8 guys to install small 10x17 signs onto existing poles.

I almost wanted to pull over and “fire” or pink-slip seven of them as taxpayer waste.


26 posted on 06/27/2011 3:51:33 PM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: EBH

The EPA is just an adjunct of environmental extremist groups, they’re worthless. States can manage their own water standards without these nutjob groups issuing dictates through the EPA.

Oh and thanks Nixon, you deserved Watergate for all the damage you did with your “pragmatism” .


27 posted on 06/27/2011 3:54:33 PM PDT by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: EBH

Why in the heck does the EPA even have a say in this anyway?
What ever the EPA says should be considered irrelevant. They
should just shut up and do as they are told like the good
PUBLIC SERVANTS that they are. They can do what millions
of their fellow citizens are doing right now, shut up and
go find another job.


28 posted on 06/27/2011 4:04:22 PM PDT by Slambat (The right to keep and bear arms. Anything one man can carry, drive or pull.)
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To: EBH

I guess we will just have to pass it before we can find out what’s in it.


29 posted on 06/27/2011 4:07:19 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Obama: The Dr. Kevorkian of the American economy.)
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To: EBH

The bill will decentralize bribery, bring back in spirit the independence of the states, and I won’t need motor oil to cook my Spotted Owl Surprise. Some budget decentralizing as well and soon... NO FDA


30 posted on 06/27/2011 4:09:17 PM PDT by Tuketu
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To: Slambat

That was my thought as I read this...the EPA is an agency ...


31 posted on 06/27/2011 4:11:20 PM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: RatRipper

By ‘balance’ they mean that EPA acts as a dictator, able to overrule any of the other agencies involved.

By ‘disrupt’ they mean that the bill actually puts EPA back in its place.

Hissy fits are always a good sign that the bill aint toothless.


32 posted on 06/27/2011 4:11:40 PM PDT by WOSG (Herman Cain for President)
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Yeah, I too had a thought and it came out FDA instead of EPA, but what the heck, ditch ‘em both. We can get our pharmas in Canada which is cheaper. ... and the Dept of Education? Eliminate foreign aid and set a limit on managerial overhead in all agencies of the government, oh say 20% overhead instead of the current 40+%.

...bbbut that would ruin Obozo’s messing up the dollar.


33 posted on 06/27/2011 4:15:39 PM PDT by Tuketu
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To: EBH
U.S. EPA warned of the potential dire consequences of legislation being fast-tracked through the House that would give states final say on rules concerning water, wetlands and mountaintop-removal mining.

Ya' know, this "dire consequences" stuff is really starting to get old fast.

Soon a politician running for office that has an agenda to PROMOTE dire consequences will look good.

So far there are none so don't get excited.

34 posted on 06/27/2011 4:16:52 PM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: WOSG

That “balance” means a centralized agency for the tree huggers to use in their suits. If this bill passes, the tree huggers would have to make their cases in each state.....much more expensive.


35 posted on 06/27/2011 4:17:41 PM PDT by Roccus
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“Every state as an EPA, and the waterways between states already fall under USCG jurisdiction.”

I know several state EPA people. Regardless of their actual job task, they are ageing Greenpeace hippies. Only one has children, because they’re bad for the environment don’t-cha-know. At one of our car-club picnics, to which we had invited every club from three states, I wanted to invite the Marines to set up one of their tanks (they’re on flatbeds) and a recruiting booth. The EPA hippies were horrified! Their reaction was so extreme I thought they were joking.

They changed the planning meeting schedule and un-invited me. I had already stopped by to ask if the Marines would be interested. They officer I spoke with was a bit hesitant but said if they were specifically invited he’d ask for permission to come and set up. (The officer I was speaking too understood better than me what I was dealing with.) One of the EPA hippies called the Marine recruiting office to make certain they understood they weren’t welcome. When I found out I stopped by to apologize. He had the nicest grin on his face and shrugged, saying, “Well, in Tallahassee there’s a certain element that doesn’t like us.”

I’m fairly confident the hippie, communist anti-American, anti-military, anti-human philosophy goes all the way to the top of the state EPA. In short, if the state EPA has its way, we’d all be in horses and buggies. BTW, they all have classic cars from the sixties, but their other car is a hybrid or Subaru.


36 posted on 06/27/2011 4:33:44 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: EBH

Good. States have a better idea as to how to manage their resources better than the feds. Who knows, the Great Lakes states may finally be able to do something then about the Asian carp threatening Lake Michigan. God knows the Obamination never will.


37 posted on 06/27/2011 4:37:33 PM PDT by Kieri (The Conservatrarian)
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To: Tuketu

FDA...EPA...Education...

Throw the ATF into the mix. Let them regulate each other instead of the rest of us. Kind of like Godzilla vs. Mothra. Remember Education has shotguns and performs raids.
Yeah, it would be a huge waste of tax dollars, but ...

Or better yet why not send the TSA screeners to harrass (oops, I meant ‘protect’) these bureacrats in their offices.


38 posted on 06/27/2011 4:39:19 PM PDT by paint_your_wagon
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks EBH.
...would give states final say on rules concerning water, wetlands and mountaintop-removal mining.
There should be no federal minimum wage law, either. Cost of living is different in, say, Nebraska, than it is in NYC or LA, or Maui. Duh.


39 posted on 06/27/2011 4:45:22 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's the Obamacare, stupid! -- Thanks Cincinna for this link -- http://www.friendsofitamar.org)
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Greetings Gen.Blather:

Regardless of their actual job task...Greenpeace hippies.

LOL So true. In an official business capacity, I had to attend EPA functions. EPA is also where the tattooed, Halloweenish dressed twenty somethings, with multi-color hair, multiple pierced of anything visible that could be pierced become government employees.

When these EPA employees say something; nobody hears anything above their personal background noise. And why EPA regulates.

Cheers,
OLA

40 posted on 06/27/2011 4:52:41 PM PDT by OneLoyalAmerican (In God I trust, all others provide citations.)
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To: EBH
House Bill Would 'Overturn' Clean Water Law

Well, that would be a good start.

Numbers two and three would be the Clean Air Act and TSCA.

41 posted on 06/27/2011 5:02:41 PM PDT by seowulf ("If you write a whole line of zeroes, it's still---nothing"...Kira Alexandrovna Argounova)
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To: chopperman

Yup. The only way to meet it’s goals under the current laws is to destroy human existence. There is no consideration of solid science, cost, or impact on business and jobs. The laws are out of whack and need to be put back into balance.


42 posted on 06/27/2011 5:04:57 PM PDT by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: OneLoyalAmerican

The EPA is another agency usurping states rights. The feds have no constitutional authority to regulate all that they do.


43 posted on 06/27/2011 5:05:22 PM PDT by umgud
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To: EBH

The Gestapo EPA has become about irrelevant as the Gestapo TSA....both need to be shutdown immediately. =.=


44 posted on 06/27/2011 5:30:35 PM PDT by cranked
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To: EBH

Of course the EPA is against any reduction in its power and authority, but you don’t ask the barber if you need a haircut.


45 posted on 06/27/2011 5:55:35 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Gaffer
If I had my way, there would be two jobs for any EPA employee.

Nope, job #1 for any EPA employee in my administration - Find another job.

46 posted on 06/27/2011 5:58:44 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: EBH
...EPA said the measure..."would overturn almost 40 years of federal legislation..."

And this is a bad thing?

47 posted on 06/27/2011 6:09:55 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: EBH

“I often think the liberals cut that which publicly hurts the most. In doing that, they create a guilty party for the next round of cuts.

Sort of like when they cut the police and fire department, before the cut the desk jockey. The other day I saw 2 trucks and 8 guys to install small 10x17 signs onto existing poles.

I almost wanted to pull over and “fire” or pink-slip seven of them as taxpayer waste.”

These people are useless.


48 posted on 06/27/2011 6:30:15 PM PDT by Cheetahcat ( November 4 2008 ,A date that will live in Infamy.)
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To: Gen.Blather
I’m fairly confident the hippie, communist anti-American, anti-military, anti-human philosophy goes all the way to the top of the state EPA. In short, if the state EPA has its way, we’d all be in horses and buggies. BTW, they all have classic cars from the sixties, but their other car is a hybrid or Subaru.

Watch any of the Subaru TV ads. The recent ones show some liberal looking couple out hiking or what not coming back to their Subaru, which has described their cars as the "original SUV alternative" in the past.

Almost every person that I know who drives a Subaru is a lib, with the usual assortmet of bumper stickers.

49 posted on 06/27/2011 6:32:53 PM PDT by matt04
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To: EBH

End the EPA!! Party like its 1775!


50 posted on 06/27/2011 6:34:30 PM PDT by 95B30 ( The Professional Left: "Their morals are crooked, their take logic is flawed, their honor is stolen)
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