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Compromise on Pledge of Allegiance in Oregon Town Has Some Seeing Red
Fox News ^ | 6/28/2011 | Dan Springer

Posted on 06/28/2011 2:00:52 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican

An Oregon town's City Council voted down a proposal to say the Pledge of Allegiance before every council meeting, but later passed a compromise that seemed to make no one happy.

The approved measure allows the pledge to be recited at just four Eugene City Council meetings a year, those closest to the Fourth of July, Veterans Day, Memorial Day and Flag Day.

It was supposed to be simple, but Councilman Mike Clark soon found out when you’re dealing with God and country, nothing in Eugene is easy.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: allegiance; compromise; council; eugene; oregon; pledge; pledgeofallegiance
The city council compares reciting the Pledge of Alligence to the Communist Manifesto and the Mayor calls the pledge "divisive".

Home of Nike U. aka University of Oregon. Why am I not shocked at all?

1 posted on 06/28/2011 2:00:54 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

correction: *Allegiance*


2 posted on 06/28/2011 2:03:22 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican ("The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.")
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

Maybe if they said it this way....

“Juro lealtad a la bandera de los Estados Unidos de América, ya la república que representa, una nación bajo Dios, indivisible, con libertad y justicia para todos.”

...Maybe no one would object.


3 posted on 06/28/2011 2:04:37 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (I'm a Birther - And a Deather)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

The town is run by a bunch of commie hippies, but not all the hippies there are “progressives.”

There are a lot of veterans and bikers in Eugene who may look a bit wild around the edges, but who love the flag and revere the pledge.


4 posted on 06/28/2011 2:06:21 PM PDT by mojito
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

The commie council of Eugene was hot to trot on passing a “living wage” law a couple years ago until many business people showed up at a meeting and flat told them they’d move their businesses out if it passed. That ended the commie’s pursuit of communism on that issue.


5 posted on 06/28/2011 2:14:27 PM PDT by jazusamo (His [Obama's] political base---the young, the left and the thoughtless: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
School children said it each day with their hand placed over their hearts. This statement from the article is not correct. Before WWII, the arm was raised in a sorta "hale hitler" salute.
6 posted on 06/28/2011 2:16:46 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

To me the only question that ought to be asked is a question to those who don’t want to take the Pledge of Allegiance at each meeting; to wit: What are you afraid of?

I suspect that deep down they don’t want to take a false oath. And what does that say??


7 posted on 06/28/2011 2:32:17 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: svcw
Thanks for posting that. I never knew that and had to go searching to see if it was true. I also never knew that in the first pledge they said "My flag" That was changed because they feared immigrants would think it meant the flag of their country. So it became the flag of the United States of America.

Like I said, thanks for posting as I then got a history lesson.

8 posted on 06/28/2011 4:16:28 PM PDT by Spunky ( “To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abh)
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To: Spunky

I found a picture on wiki. Oh, and you are welcome.
link to picture: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Students_pledging_allegiance_to_the_American_flag_with_the_Bellamy_salute.jpg


9 posted on 06/28/2011 4:22:01 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

Ripley to crew: Why don’t we take off and nuke them from space?


10 posted on 06/28/2011 4:31:31 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: svcw

I remember reading that prior to WWII the words “I pledge allegiance” were said with the hand over the heart. With the words “to the flag” the arm was extended palm up towards the flag and remained in that position until the recitation was finished.


11 posted on 06/28/2011 4:48:33 PM PDT by tal hajus (ever the cynic)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
Yo..... Eugene

Two easy steps:
---(1) Throw these bums out of office
---(2) Elect right-thinking patriots

12 posted on 06/28/2011 5:01:46 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: tal hajus

Yep. Probably stopped because of hitler. My post #9 has a link to a picture on wiki that shows that salute.


13 posted on 06/28/2011 5:32:30 PM PDT by svcw (Non forgiveness is like holding a hot coal thinking the other person will be blistered)
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To: Wings-n-Wind

“Two easy steps:
-—(1) Throw these bums out of office
-—(2) Elect right-thinking patriots”

Ain’t gonna happen in Moscow on the Willamette.


14 posted on 06/28/2011 5:36:16 PM PDT by Duck Fan
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

Eugene, OR City Council website

http://www.eugene-or.gov/portal/server.pt?space=CommunityPage&control=SetCommunity&CommunityID=267&PageID=0

Behind each councilmember’s picture is their email address. I understand they voted 5 - 2 to ban the Pledge. Who are the 2 that voted against banning the pledge??


15 posted on 06/30/2011 9:29:11 AM PDT by Gopher Broke (Repeal Obamacare !!)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
Saying the Pledge of Allegiance at every conceivable occasion is just a sham if we are taking away real freedoms in the background. Getting upset about this is just like getting upset about flag burning.

For example, if the Pledge of Allegiance were to disappear from our culture entirely, but at the same time we got rid of the ATF and the TSA, I would call that a major net gain.

16 posted on 06/30/2011 9:38:48 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Populism is antithetical to conservatism.)
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To: Gopher Broke

Email contact list: The Mayor is Kitty Piercy, the others are council members. 5 of the 7 voted to BAN the pledge

Kitty.Piercy@ci.eugene.or.us

George.r.brown@ci.eugene.or.us,
Betty.L.Taylor@ci.eugene.or.us,
Alan.Zelenka@ci.eugene.or.us,
George.A.Poling@ci.eugene.or.us,
Mike.Clark@ci.eugene.or.us,
Pat.M.Farr@ci.eugene.or.us,
Andrea.F.Ortiz@ci.eugene.or.us


17 posted on 06/30/2011 9:41:49 AM PDT by Gopher Broke (Repeal Obamacare !!)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

I know Mike Clark. He is one of the good guys, hands down, 100%.


18 posted on 06/30/2011 10:10:14 AM PDT by Danae (Anailnathrach ortha bhais beatha do cheal deanaimha)
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To: tal hajus

There aren’t many advantages to being old but I remember making the pledge as you describe. In a one-room country school with a total of 23 students in eight grades too!


19 posted on 06/30/2011 10:11:40 AM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: svcw

Yeeesh! That was a bizarre little tidbit of history.

But I guess the origins were not nefarious, just the adaptation by fascists.


20 posted on 06/30/2011 10:42:06 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican

I used to live in the Emerald People’s Republic, right there on 18th and Kincaid, across from the university. Exposure to the leftwing aroma of the community turned me into a conservative. Oh, yes, and a fan of Nancy’s Yogurt. And Birkenstocks. Nothing in the story surprises me, except for the fact that the city council actually said the pledge of allegience for all those years preceeding this controversy.


21 posted on 06/30/2011 11:38:10 AM PDT by redpoll
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To: VanDeKoik
But I guess the origins were not nefarious, just the adaptation by fascists.

It's an offshoot of a salute from olden days. You'd hold your right hand (sword arm) open and facing up and towards the person you were greeting to show that you didn't have bad intentions. Over the years the military salute has migrated to the hand over the brow. You can still see where the changes happened by looking at salutes (and how open the hand is in relation to the soldier) of European soldiers.
22 posted on 06/30/2011 1:06:56 PM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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