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Study draws link between gun carriers and risky behavior
Madison.com ^ | 6-28-11

Posted on 06/28/2011 5:23:58 PM PDT by SJackson

As Wisconsin heads toward lifting a ban on carrying concealed weapons, researchers at the University of California-Davis have turned up some unsettling information about those who may take advantage of the law.

In a study using 15-year-old data -- the most recent available -- published online in the journal Injury Prevention, the UC Davis Violence Prevention Research Program says those who carried concealed weapons or who had confronted someone with a gun were twice as likely to be heavy drinkers than non-gun owners. Gun owners who drove with loaded weapons were four times more likely to hop behind the wheel after drinking "perhaps too much," and those who didn't travel with a gun were twice as likely to drink and drive.

The study, released last week, came up with these conclusions by analyzing telephone survey results from 15,000 people in eight states. It comes as Wisconsin heads toward adoption of its own concealed carry law, which will make it the 49th state to legalize carrying loaded, concealed firearms, much to the consternation of some local officials.

The Senate passed the controversial proposal last week, and the Assembly was slated to take it up today.

Gov. Scott Walker is expected to sign the bill.


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In a study using 15-year-old data -- the most recent available... by analyzing telephone survey results from 15,000 people in eight states.

Research, UC-Davis/Madison style. Reach a conclusion, search for something to back it up. If it's a 15 year old telephone survey, so be it. I'd love to know the demographics of the survey. Needless to say we're not talking legal concealed carry, not necessarily legal gun owners at all.

1 posted on 06/28/2011 5:24:01 PM PDT by SJackson
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To: SJackson

This is “academentia” on parade, in all its transparent duplicity.

Correlation is passed off as causation, and the chasm between the hard sciences and the soft sciences is made unambiguously clear.

Meanwhile, back in the Legislature, the maunderings of the academented were ignored by voter and Legislator alike.

;-)


2 posted on 06/28/2011 5:27:57 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principles, Kill the EPA!!!)
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To: SJackson

Crap. Pure, unadulterated pseudo-academic horse manure.

There are tens of millions of Americans who both own and carry firearms; any attempt to “generalize” about their personalities and/or psychologies is bullsh*t.

In fact, it’s worse than that - this is merely a shameless lie.


3 posted on 06/28/2011 5:28:35 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: SJackson
In a study using 15-year-old data..

All ways use the numbers that agree with your bias.

Follow the money trail, who paid for the study?

4 posted on 06/28/2011 5:30:29 PM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: SJackson
the UC Davis Violence Prevention Research Program

Yeah, that's a group I can rely on

5 posted on 06/28/2011 5:30:35 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Jack Hammer

Precisely, how many farmers were sampled?

For them? Drug dealers, and crackheads would skew the results for what they need.


6 posted on 06/28/2011 5:32:16 PM PDT by himno hero ("Armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"... Barrack Obama's vision)
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To: SJackson
MADISON.COM!

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7 posted on 06/28/2011 5:32:34 PM PDT by rlmorel ("Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions." Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: SJackson

If any of this were true the meatheads would be parading the accident statistics. In my travels armed men tended to be more calm and reasoned, and I only know of one episode where we had to disarm a drunk.


8 posted on 06/28/2011 5:32:55 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: SJackson

I’ll add to that list:

“Gun owners are many times more likely to survive home invasions.”


9 posted on 06/28/2011 5:34:40 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (I AM ISRAEL)
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To: SJackson

Well duh... you can’t keep yourself disarmed in an area full of hoodrat hooligans. You might as well say “Please, take my wallet, I cannot defend myself”.


10 posted on 06/28/2011 5:36:52 PM PDT by NorthStarStateConservative (I'm just another disabled naturalized minority vegan pro life conservative.)
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To: SJackson
Thanks to the drug warriors for giving credence to the type of BS analysis used here by the gun grabbing statists in Wisconsin.

11 posted on 06/28/2011 5:38:02 PM PDT by I see my hands (Embrace misanthropy)
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To: SJackson; All

In a study using 15-year-old data — the most recent available — published online in the journal Injury “Prevention, the UC Davis Violence Prevention Research Program says those who carried concealed weapons or who had confronted someone with a gun were twice as likely to be heavy drinkers than non-gun owners. Gun owners who drove with loaded weapons were four times more likely to hop behind the wheel after drinking “perhaps too much,” and those who didn’t travel with a gun were twice as likely to drink and drive.”

Goodness this is pure bull hockey. I don’t currently, but when I used to carry a concealed weapon.....I was ALWAYS at my very best behavior. The classes I took made it very clear that carrying a weapon brought with it great responsibility....and that made me VERY careful never to even be rude while carrying. So, I’m inclined to think this is nonsense. Also, most states run full checks on someone before issuing a permit. IF a person had a “risking behavior” personality, it would have showed up in arrest records, etc.

I think the opposite is true. Persons who carry tend to be more responsible members of the community.

“An armed society is a polite one.”


12 posted on 06/28/2011 5:38:22 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: SJackson

Can we get a study on risky behavior by those who carry KY Jelly? How about people who carry bong pipes?


13 posted on 06/28/2011 5:39:21 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: SJackson
Gun owners who drove with loaded weapons were four times more likely to hop behind the wheel after drinking "perhaps too much," and those who didn't travel with a gun were twice as likely to drink and drive.

Huh? Two groups - travel with guns, don't travel with guns.

One is four times as likely (perhaps), the other is twice as likely (unqualified as perhaps).

Huh?

14 posted on 06/28/2011 5:40:40 PM PDT by !1776!
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To: SJackson

Ignore liberals, and their research, which is always tainted, if not downright fraudulent. Principles are better. Men have the right and responsibility to defend themselves, their families, neighbors, communities and nation against criminals and thugs, including those created by government. Things will be better when men accept that responsibility.


15 posted on 06/28/2011 5:41:50 PM PDT by pallis
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To: SJackson
Study draws link between gun carriers and risky behavior
 

They're right. I got this on friend who carries a gun everywhere he goes and he is always jumping out of airplanes, he has gone to two different war zones (that I know of and a few I'm pretty sure of but he can't tell me about), he crawls around in the dark getting as close as he can to people who want to kill him so he can point a laser at them all the while waiting for some other damn fool to drop explosives on him from 20,000 feet while traveling at mach 1.

There might be something to this study

16 posted on 06/28/2011 5:42:38 PM PDT by txroadkill ( "The system worked" - J. Napolitano / "We're sooooooo screwed!" -TxRoadkill)
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To: SJackson

More of their social engineering==trying to equate gun ownership with dysfunction.....Truly dysfunctional people believe government is telling the truth and they believe all their agitprop and lies...statistics are just lies...they are always manipulated to get a certain result and these stats were created by people trying to discredit gunownership-—the only thing which guarantees private property and freedom of speech.

This is Marxist cr*pola again.....all polls are social engineering...know who design the questions...it is psychologically designed to shape the way the masses think.


17 posted on 06/28/2011 5:43:24 PM PDT by savagesusie (Virtue is a habit of the mind, consistent with nature and moderation and reason. Cicero)
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To: SJackson

Maybe they were heavy drinkers because they were attacked once, and then armed themselves to avoid a second “event.”

I know of one rape victim who subsequently joined 2nd Amendment Sisters, after that earth shattering personal tragedy.


18 posted on 06/28/2011 5:44:59 PM PDT by 4Liberty (88% of Americans are NON-UNION. We value honest, peaceful Free trade-NOT protectionist CARTELS)
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To: SJackson

Typical BS propaganda lies.

I own many firearms, I don’t drink at all.
Can’t get a CCW because the Sheriff is anti-2nd amendment, but I would if I could.


19 posted on 06/28/2011 5:46:49 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares ( Refusing to kneel before the "messiah".)
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To: SJackson
How did this survey distinguish between someone legally-permitted to carry concealed and a gang-banger who's carrying illegally while he's dealing drugs?

Oh, wait - they didn't need to do that. It might have kept them from reaching their desired "conclusion".

20 posted on 06/28/2011 5:49:34 PM PDT by Bob
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To: Sola Veritas

>Goodness this is pure bull hockey. I don’t currently, but when I used to carry a concealed weapon.....I was ALWAYS at my very best behavior. The classes I took made it very clear that carrying a weapon brought with it great responsibility....and that made me VERY careful never to even be rude while carrying. So, I’m inclined to think this is nonsense. Also, most states run full checks on someone before issuing a permit. IF a person had a “risking behavior” personality, it would have showed up in arrest records, etc.

I think the opposite is true. Persons who carry tend to be more responsible members of the community.

“An armed society is a polite one.”<

So true. I have one bud who is a 5-dan Karate champ, who happens to be a CCW. His explanation to liberal dimwits is this “Ok, forget I have a gun. I enter another dojo with 2 martial arts masters. Your logic is because I have a gun, we are violent people and shoot each other. Well, by that logic, shouldn’t we martial arts masters just beat each other to a pulp? Of course not! How do I know what level of training the other masters have? We are actually more composed and cordial with each other. No one wants to make the wrong move or you will really see someone get hurt.”


21 posted on 06/28/2011 5:52:34 PM PDT by max americana (FUBO NATION 2012)
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To: Sola Veritas
Goodness this is pure bull hockey. I don’t currently, but when I used to carry a concealed weapon.....I was ALWAYS at my very best behavior. The classes I took made it very clear that carrying a weapon brought with it great responsibility....and that made me VERY careful never to even be rude while carrying.

I NEVER drink when I'm carrying. I know how much I would be crucified if I was involved in something while having a blood alcohol level above 0.000

22 posted on 06/28/2011 5:53:10 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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I’m surprised that they didn’t mention that 100% of people who drink and drive were inside of a VEHICLE!!! And 100% of them were SEATED behind the WHEEL!!!! We can only come to the conclusion that vehicles CAUSE drunk driving and that being seated behind the wheel DOUBLES the chances of being a drunk driver!!!! SHOCKING!!!!


23 posted on 06/28/2011 5:53:27 PM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: SJackson
"the UC Davis Violence Prevention Research Program"

No anti-gun bias there. No sir. None.

24 posted on 06/28/2011 5:54:56 PM PDT by Travis McGee (Castigo Cay is in print and on Kindle.)
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To: Travis McGee

More people die of aids then they do gunshot wounds. I think UC Davis’ research is a bit misplaced.


25 posted on 06/28/2011 6:00:15 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberals who graduate from Ivy League schools are the dumbest people on the planet.)
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To: Kirkwood
I once read that 30% of car accidents are because of drunk driving. That means 70% of the accidents are caused by sober drivers.

Hmmm....

26 posted on 06/28/2011 6:02:43 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz (Liberals who graduate from Ivy League schools are the dumbest people on the planet.)
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To: SJackson
Bullsh!t - they're talking about all people who carried concealed and/or pull a gun on someone .. not on people with Concealed to Carry licenses.

These are two TOTALLY different classes of "gun carriers" - given that the group includes every criminal that carries a gun.

27 posted on 06/28/2011 6:12:17 PM PDT by tx_eggman (Liberalism is only possible in that moment when a man chooses Barabas over Christ.)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...

28 posted on 06/28/2011 6:33:39 PM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: SJackson

I am amazed that they didn’t somehow work in a correlation between carrying a gun and global warming.

Buncha amateurs, you betcha.


29 posted on 06/28/2011 6:41:27 PM PDT by Random Access
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those who carried concealed weapons or who had confronted someone with a gun were twice as likely to be heavy drinkers than non-gun owners.

The study is not of "legal" gun owners but includes criminals, gangbangers, etc. Not surprising statistics.

30 posted on 06/28/2011 6:42:19 PM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Joe Brower
In a related story, a study conducted by The WKU Man - Right Thinking Conservative American Institute found a direct connection between Leftist anti-gun sentiments, and homosexual behavior.

Scouts Out! Cavalry Ho!

31 posted on 06/28/2011 6:53:20 PM PDT by wku man (Who says conservatives don't rock? http://www.bigdawgmusicmafia.com)
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To: SJackson; Jack Hammer; himno hero; NorthStarStateConservative; Sola Veritas; !1776!; savagesusie; ..

Fifteen years ago most states did not allow citizens to carry a firearm. So, of course, most of the “concealed carry” persons were thugs and gang members in the inner city who do all sorts of bad things like drink heavily and drive under the influence.


32 posted on 06/28/2011 7:21:49 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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Fifteen years ago most states did not allow citizens to carry a firearm. So, of course, most of the “concealed carry” persons were thugs and gang members in the inner city who do all sorts of bad things like drink heavily and drive under the influence.


33 posted on 06/28/2011 7:23:39 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: wku man

Yup, that’s what I was thinking. Far greater chance of anti gunners being fags, We need statistics


34 posted on 06/28/2011 7:31:31 PM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Mamas don't let your cowboys grow up to be babies..)
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Jeez, that’s easy. More states allow their citizens to carry concealed firearms today than 20 years ago, therefore concealed carry has caused globull warming!


35 posted on 06/28/2011 7:31:32 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: SJackson

You have to give it to the idiots—they never stop!

I don’t think I’ve read anything this absurd in a very long time.


36 posted on 06/28/2011 7:38:01 PM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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Goodness this is pure bull hockey. I don’t currently, but when I used to carry a concealed weapon.....I was ALWAYS at my very best behavior.

We have a winner!

A generally law-abiding person, exercising the Right for self protection, is not one to wave the firearm around, especially in areas where such carry might invite trouble with police. It is a weapon of last resort.

You don't go looking for trouble, maintain a low profile (instead of being drunk and waving a firearm around, which in most states with permits, will get your permit yanked in a heartbeat!).

Drunken behaviour in a state where there are no permits or you don't have one is just asking the police to search you and find your firearm, which means a whole new level of trouble.

Gun owners who drove with loaded weapons were four times more likely to hop behind the wheel after drinking “perhaps too much,” and those who didn’t travel with a gun were twice as likely to drink and drive

Is a sorry attempt to attribute pathological behaviour to gun owners whether they have a gun with them or not. Actually, it is a discussion of the behaviour of drinkers, since not all gun owners drink.

Someone is desperate for their share of the 'junk science grant fund', and I guess the global warmists have been eclipsing them until of late.

37 posted on 06/28/2011 7:38:34 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

There we go.....


38 posted on 06/28/2011 7:40:05 PM PDT by himno hero ("Armageddon is well seeded, America will pay"... Barrack Obama's vision)
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But I thought whenthe concealed laws in Texas were passed blood was going to run in the streets, and all that crap. Well national statistics show such a low rate of problems with responsible gun owners that this study will not pass muster. In fact the general public has more to fear from 95 year old grannys with depends than gun owners. BS.


39 posted on 06/28/2011 7:51:04 PM PDT by JohnD9207 (John McCain is a proud Ted Kennedy conservative!)
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To: SJackson
analyzing telephone survey results from 15,000 people in eight states

It's called non-compliance. You call a far let fringe moonbat who wants America disarmed so an enlightened progressive can take power (I know, a little late with Obama in our White House, but they mean with no limits at all on their Dear Leader), and the freak will say he carries a gun all the time and shoots at random targets when he's drunk, along with anything else that makes him sound insane. They are shaping the responses with their answers, just like moderates who despise Obama will rank him an F in every category even in the communist's few strong areas in which the druggie objectively deserves a D.

40 posted on 06/28/2011 8:08:54 PM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: SJackson

Absolute bullshit.


41 posted on 06/28/2011 8:45:08 PM PDT by IYellAtMyTV (Je t'aime, faire du bruit comme le cochon.)
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To: SJackson
I used to think going to the market or a major shopping mall was "risky behavior", seeing that the number of knifings and armed robberies of shoppers returning to their vehicles had increased dramatically over the years.

Now, I carry all the time and happily engage in what I used to deem "risky behavior." The only one at risk is any miscreant who might happen to be so foolish as to try to rob or assault me.

42 posted on 06/28/2011 8:53:23 PM PDT by nonsporting
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To: SJackson

What a load of total horse hockey. The University of CA at Davis is all you need to know. Read no further.


43 posted on 06/28/2011 8:59:05 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: TYVets

“Follow the money trail, who paid for the study?”

Could it possibly be.........SOROS???;)


44 posted on 06/28/2011 9:14:34 PM PDT by Frank_2001
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“Gun owners who carry concealed weapons or have confronted another person with a gun are more than twice as likely to drink heavily as people who do not own guns”

Odd bedmates don’t you think: a category including CCW and drunks who confront others with a gun.

It’s obvious that those who’ve confronted others with a gun are more likely to be heavy drinkers. Drunks do all kinds of stupid and dangerous things.

But why include CCW in that category? For one reason only: to tar their reputation with the statistical behavior of drunk gun-toters.

They’ve mixed a few apples with a bunch of eggs and then “proved” statistically how easily apples shatter when dropped.

I could do a study with nuns and male homosexuals in the same group and “prove” how nuns are much more likely to contract AIDS than the general population.


45 posted on 06/28/2011 9:17:04 PM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the right stuff!)
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To: SJackson

When in college, in a class on statistics, the professor was demonstrating the ease in which correlational statistics could be misused. The data used was on the amount of ice cream consumed in one city compared to the crime rate of that city. The data showed that as the amount of ice cream consumed increased, the amount of crime increased. The question was, is it the amount of ice cream consumed that causes the crime to increase? Of course not, but this shows how correlational studies should not be used to determine causation?


46 posted on 06/28/2011 9:42:56 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: txroadkill

I love it!


47 posted on 06/29/2011 12:13:58 AM PDT by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Jeez, that’s easy. More states allow their citizens to carry concealed firearms today than 20 years ago, therefore concealed carry has caused globull warming

because they're carrying an extra couple pounds of weight, they're further exerting themselves, and breathing heavier, causing more carbon dioxide to be emitted into the atmosphere..
48 posted on 06/29/2011 5:07:45 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: SJackson

I saw a study a couple of years ago that was probably based on the same data. The sample group that they used aren’t necessarily CCW permit holders, they’re anyone who carried a gun. At the time when the data was collected that group consisted mostly of criminals.


49 posted on 06/29/2011 5:27:21 AM PDT by mbynack (Retired USAF SMSgt)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Fifteen years ago most states did not allow citizens to carry a firearm. So, of course, most of the “concealed carry” persons were thugs and gang members in the inner city who do all sorts of bad things like drink heavily and drive under the influence.

And let's not forget off-duty cops who liked to hang out in cop-bars, who were probably the main survey responders. If you were a thug or gang banger, would you even respond to some survey caller asking you about your (illegal) gun carrying?

50 posted on 06/29/2011 6:19:51 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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