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Posted on 06/29/2011 1:29:28 PM PDT by MissesBush
David Ainsman really began to get worried about President Barack Obamas standing with his fellow Jewish Democrats when a recent dinner with his wife and two other couples all Obama voters in 2008 nearly turned into a screaming match.
Ainsman, a prominent Democratic lawyer and Pittsburgh Jewish community leader, was trying to explain that Obama had just been offering Israel a bit of tough love in his May 19 speech on the Arab Spring. His friends disagreed to say the least.
One said he had the sense that Obama took the opportunity to throw Israel under the bus. Another, who swore he wasnt getting his information from the mutually despised Fox News, admitted hed lost faith in the president.
If several dozen interviews with POLITICO are any indication, a similar conversation is taking place in Jewish communities across the country. Obamas speech last month seems to have crystallized the doubts many pro-Israel Democrats had about Obama in 2008 in a way that could, on the margins, cost the president votes and money in 2012 and will not be easy to repair. (See also: President Obama's Middle East speech: Details complicate 'simple' message)
Its less something specific than that these incidents keep on coming, said Ainsman.
The immediate controversy sparked by the speech was Obamas statement that Israel should embrace the countrys 1967 borders, with land swaps, as a basis for peace talks. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu seized on the first half of that phrase and the threat of a return to what Israelis sometimes refer to as Auschwitz borders. (Related: Obama defends border policy)
Obamas Jewish allies stressed the second half: that land swaps would as American negotiators have long contemplated give Israel security in its narrow middle, and the deal would give the country international legitimacy and normalcy.
But the noisy fray after the speech mirrored any number of smaller controversies. Politically hawkish Jews and groups such as the Republican Jewish Coalition and the Emergency Committee for Israel pounded Obama in news releases. White House surrogates and staffers defended him, as did the plentiful American Jews who have long wanted the White House to lean harder on Israels conservative government.
Based on the conversations with POLITICO, its hard to resist the conclusion that some kind of tipping point has been reached.
Most of those interviewed were center-left American Jews and Obama supporters and many of them Democratic donors. On some core issues involving Israel, theyre well to the left of Netanyahu and many Americans: They refer to the West Bank, not to Judea and Samaria, fervently supported the Oslo peace process and Israels unilateral withdrawal from Gaza and believe in the urgency of creating a Palestinian state. (Arena: Are Jewish voters still pro-Obama?)
But they are also fearful for Israel at a moment of turmoil in a hostile region when the moderate Palestinian Authority is joining forces with the militantly anti-Israel Hamas.
Its a hot time, because Israel is isolated in the world and, in particular, with the Obama administration putting pressure on Israel, said Rabbi Neil Cooper, leader of Temple Beth Hillel-Beth El in Philadelphias Main Line suburbs, who recently lectured his large, politically connected congregation on avoiding turning Israel into a partisan issue.
Some of these traditional Democrats now say, to their own astonishment, that theyll consider voting for a Republican in 2012. And many of those who continue to support Obama said they find themselves constantly on the defensive in conversations with friends.
Im hearing a tremendous amount of skittishness from pro-Israel voters who voted for Obama and now are questioning whether they did the right thing or not, said Betsy Sheerr, the former head of an abortion-rights-supporting, pro-Israel PAC in Philadelphia, who said she continues to support Obama, with only mild reservations. Im hearing a lot of Oh, if wed only elected Hillary instead.
Even Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz, who spoke to POLITICO to combat the story line of Jewish defections, said shed detected a level of anxiety in a recent visit to a senior center in her South Florida district.
They wanted some clarity on the presidents view, she said. I answered their questions and restored some confidence that maybe was a little shaky, [rebutted] misinformation and the inaccurate reporting about what was said.
Wasserman Schultz and other top Democrats say the storm will pass. (Related: Debbie Wasserman Schultz: Jewish voters will stick with Obama)
They point out to anyone who will listen that beyond the difficult personal relationship of Obama and Netanyahu, beyond a tense, stalled peace process, theres a litany of good news for supporters of Israel: Military cooperation is at an all-time high; Obama has supplied Israel with a key missile defense system; the U.S. boycotted an anti-racism conference seen as anti-Israel; and America is set to spend valuable international political capital beating back a Palestinian independence declaration at the United Nations in September.
The qualms that many Jewish Democrats express about Obama date back to his emergence onto the national scene in 2007. Though he had warm relations with Chicagos Jewish community, he had also been friends with leading Palestinian activists, unusual in the Democratic establishment. And though he seemed to be trying to take a conventionally pro-Israel stand, he was a novice at the complicated politics of the America-Israel relationship, and his sheer inexperience showed at times.
At the 2007 AIPAC Policy Conference, Obama professed his love for Israel but then seemed, - to some who were there for his informal talk - to betray a kind of naivete about the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians: The biggest enemy he said, using the same rhetoric he applied to American politics, was not just terrorists, its not just Hezbollah, its not just Hamas its also cynicism.
At the next years AIPAC conference, he again botched the conflicts code, committing himself to an undivided Jerusalem and then walking it back the next day.
Those doubts and gaffes lingered, even for many of the majority who supported him.
Theres an inclination in the community to not trust this presidents gut feel on Israel and every time he sets out on a path thats troubling you do get this ouch reaction from the Jewish Community because theyre distrustful of him, said the president of a major national Jewish organization, who declined to be quoted by name to avoid endangering his ties to the White House.
Many of Obamas supporters, then and now, said they were unworried about the political allegiance of Jewish voters. Every four years, they say, Republicans claim to be making inroads with American Jews, and every four years, voters and donors go overwhelmingly for the Democrats, voting on a range of issues that include, but arent limited to Israel.
But while that pattern has held, Obama certainly didnt take anything for granted. His 2008 campaign dealt with misgivings with a quiet, intense, and effective round of communal outreach.
When Obama was running, there was a lot of concern among the guys in my group at shul, who are all late-30s to mid-40s, who I hang out with and daven with and go to dinner with, about Obama, recalled Scott Matasar, a Cleveland lawyer whos active in Jewish organizations.
Matasar remembers his friends worries over whether Obama was going to be OK for Israel. But then Obama met with the communitys leaders during a swing through Cleveland in the primary, and the rabbi at the denominationally conservative synagogue Matasar attends a real ardent Zionist and Israel defender came back to synagogue convinced.
That put a lot of my concerns to rest for my friends who are very much Israel hawks but who, like me, arent one-issue voters.
Now Matasar says hes appalled by Obamas rookie mistakes and bumbling and the reported marginalization of a veteran peace negotiator, Dennis Ross, in favor of aides who back a tougher line on Netanyahu. Hes the most pro-Obama member of his social circle but is finding the president harder to defend.
Hed been very ham-handed in the way he presented [the 1967 border announcement] and the way he sprung this on Netanyahu, Matasar said.
A Philadelphia Democrat and pro-Israel activist, Joe Wolfson, recalled a similar progression.
What got me past Obama in the recent election was Dennis Ross I heard him speak in Philadelphia and I had many of my concerns allayed, Wolfson said. Now, I think Im like many pro-Israel Democrats now who are looking to see whether we can vote Republican.
That, perhaps, is the crux of the political question: The pro-Israel Jewish voters and activists who spoke to POLITICO are largely die-hard Democrats, few of whom have ever cast a vote for a Republican to be president. Does the new wave of Jewish angst matter?
One place it might is fundraising. Many of the Clinton-era Democratic mega-donors who make Israel their key issue, the most prominent of whom is the Los Angeles Israeli-American billionaire Haim Saban, never really warmed to Obama, though Saban says he will vote for the Democrat and write him a check if asked.
A top-dollar Washington fundraiser aimed at Jewish donors in Miami last week raised more than $1 million from 80 people, and while one prominent Jewish activist said the DNC had to scramble to fill seats, seven-figure fundraisers are hard to sneer at.
Even people writing five-figure checks to Obama, though, appeared in need of a bit of bucking up.
We were very reassured, Randi Levine, who attended the event with her husband, Jeffrey, a New York real estate developer, told POLITICO.
Philadelphia Jewish Democrats are among the hosts of another top-dollar event June 30. David Cohen, a Comcast executive and former top aide to former Gov. Ed Rendell, said questions about Obamas position on Israel have been a regular, if not dominant, feature of his attempts to recruit donors.
I takes me about five minutes of talking through the presidents position and the presidents speech, and the uniform reaction has been, I guess youre right, thats not how I saw it covered, he said.
Others involved in the Philadelphia event, however, said they think Jewish doubts are taking a fundraising toll.
Were going to raise a ton of money, but I dont know if were going to hit our goals, said Daniel Berger, a lawyer who is firmly in the peace camp and said he blamed the controversy on Netanyahus intransigence.
Yeah, the Warsaw Ghetto was tough love too.
And yet, he’ll get 80% of the Jewish vote.
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I believe Nixon did quite well with the Jewish vote in 1972 against McGovern. McGovern was perceived as a dove and many people in his campaign were pro Palestian and anti Isreal. I believe the Republican candidate in 2012 will do much better than McCain did in 2008 with the Jewish vote.
I can already see Jewish Support for Obama dipping to a low-low 85%! OMG, How catastrophic for the Mombasa Moonbeam! After all, his polling among the African-Americans is already down to 98.9%.
Will you call me when a "Jewish Americans for Herman Cain" group has a meeting in Newton? I would drive down for that!
To take off on Thomas Frank,
What’s the matter with Jews?
I’ll believe it when I see it!
Lambs to the slaughter.
There are entirely too many mixed signals coming from the Democrats but they are all bad. They'd prefer a scorched out atomic wasteland than a modern state of Israel. They hate babies. They want the name "Jesus" stricken from human memory.
Don’t you believe it.
I had no faith in McCain, didn’t like him at all. Still voted for him. They will do the same with BO.
I’m not buying it, he could be loading them into cattle cars and they’d still vote for him.
Lambs to slaughter? By George you’ve got it. I wonder what the response will be in ten years as anti-semitism is growing exponentially.
If God had not called them His chosen people they would have gone the way of the Aztecs or Mayans long ago. Throughout the Bible, His defense of Israel never really depended on their being smart or worthy but solely on His election.
sadly, i think things are going to be a LOT clearer to people, after the U.N. tries to create Palestine in Sept.
but even now, you’d think they’d care that
the Administration of the United States of America,
does NOT recognize Jerusalem as Israels capitol:
Supreme Court steps into White House-Congress feud over Jerusalem status
...was told that his passport must list Jerusalem without a country as the place of his birth. Why? Because America doesnt recognize the Holy City as the Jewish States capital.
Does Obama Think Jerusalem is Outside Israel?
The United States State Department is standing behind the wording of an official statement that implied that Jerusalem including its western parts - is not a part of Israel.
You can’t deter a moth from being attracted to a flame.
Or a fly being attracted to a pile of $hit.
I think this metaphor is a better one in this situation.
I will believe these “Jewish people are abandoning the Democrat fold” stories when Christian conservatives embrace a liberal atheist candidate. Just ain’t gonna happen ever.Jewish folks and blacks are the core of the Democrat Party.
“Based on the conversations with POLITICO, its hard to resist the conclusion that some kind of tipping point has been reached.”
Is the spell being broken? One can only hope so because the spell over “christians” has been cast.
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Thanks for posting. I won’t click the Pollutico links, especially if it’s Ben Smith, but I’ll gladly read any stories that undermine the monolithic meme about 0bama’s base.
David Ainsman... a prominent Democratic lawyer and Pittsburgh Jewish community leader, was trying to explain that Obama had just been offering Israel a bit of "tough love" in his May 19 speech on the Arab Spring.Only a lawyer would fail to remember or fully understand Martin Luther King's words -- "Never forget that everything Hitler did in Germany was legal."
Since the ONLY people in my family I associate with are hardcore conservatives, I don’t know. If Jewish liberals are finally LEARNING that being JEWS, all the liberal stink in the world won’t ingratiate them to literally ANYONE in the world, then that is a good thing. But to claim being a jew, and also being a liberal is an oxymoron. You just can’t be a real capital J Jew and be both. You just can’t.
0bama’s daddy was a muzzie, 0bama’s step-daddy was a muzzie, 0bama’s friends are part of the anti-Israel flotilla, 0bama referred to “al Quds” instead of “Jerusalem” in a speech, 0bama has shown contempt for Netanyahu and has bowed to muzzie leaders.
No Jewish person should be willing to donate a dime to his reelection.
0bama hates Israel and that’s the truth. Sarah Palin supports Israel and that’s well-documented.
The easy way out is to say "I voted for Obama, but he has not lived up to my expectations", thus eliminating their fear of being called bigots. How they deal with the unAmerican or nonAmerican aspect (Obozo, them or whoever) is their problem.
“Some of these traditional Democrats now say, to their own astonishment, that theyll consider voting for a Republican in 2012.”
Yeah, right. I’ll believe it when I see it.
“But to claim being a jew, and also being a liberal is an oxymoron. You just cant be a real capital J Jew and be both. You just cant.”
Same holds these days for capital C Christian...just can’t.
If youd like to be on or off, please FR mail me.
Not lambs, retards with no, absolutely no, sense of being...
Their focus is not on God, not on Country, and not on Survival.
The state of Israel is just the harbinger for the US.
What’s the point? Is Israel one of our 57 states [sic]? Please tell me, why did the American Jews overwhelmingly vote for Hussein 0bama? Do they have a suicide complex?
Oh PLEASE!!! They BOTH HATE CHRISTIANS.......SYMPATICO!!
zer0 is a mozlim. There can be no doubt, and the mozlims are supposed to kill all the Jews. I have a hard time understanding zer0-supporting Jews.
The point is, your post oozed with distain, not for liberals, but Jooooz. Get a grip, dude.
Militant Hamas, “moderate” Palestinian Authority.
Kill you now. Kill you a little later.
Some ‘reproductive rights’ rhetoric should bring them home.
As the descendant of multiple Holocaust survivors, I feel the need to let you know that they didnt let it happen. In the case of my family, their country was invaded by a man with an agenda and their neighbors didnt stand by and watch it happen they helped.
The governor wrote in a letter Wednesday that he was concerned about two U.S.-flagged ships that plan to challenge the Israeli naval blockade on the Gaza Strip. He urged U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder to take legal steps to stop Americans from taking part in the attempt to reach Gaza, or to prosecute them if they do .
******....Perry wrote in a letter dated Wednesday, According to numerous recent media reports, American citizens and organizations, together with a coalition of violent anti-Israeli organizations from other countries, have organized efforts to breach Israels Maritime blockade of the Gaza Strip as early as this week.
He continued, The act of funding, supporting, organizing and engaging in these efforts appears to constitute participation in a naval expedition against a people with whom the United States is at peace, as well as material support or resources to a foreign terrorist organization and other violations.
Perry said at least two of the ships are registered in Delaware, including one named The Audacity of Hope, which was the title of President Barack Obamas second book. The letter concludes, I respectfully request that the U.S. Department of Justice take immediate steps to investigate, enjoin and bring to justice all parties found to be in violation of U.S. law by their participation in these efforts. Source
So maybe liberal Jews get upset how Bro treats Israel but support his destruction of traditional America
Why am I not impressed?
It’ll just be 80% of a much smaller pool of voters... as all the rest will most likely stay home instead of voting.
Yes, of course. Things would have been so very different.
I have utter disdain for ANYONE who supports the policies of Baraq Hussein 0bama, particularly those who continue to do so (Jewish or otherwise) after several years of his blatant disdain for This Country and The Constitution.
BTW when you attain voting age, or at least mature to that level, let's talk - dude!