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Commander: Special operations forces under stress
AP via Fox News ^ | June 29, 2011

Posted on 06/29/2011 4:27:11 PM PDT by Pan_Yan

WASHINGTON – The military commander who directed the raid that killed Osama bin Laden is warning that the escalating demands on U.S. special operations forces are hampering their training and could slowly eat away at their combat readiness.

Vice Adm. William McRaven said demand for the elite forces around the world continues to grow, so there often isn't enough time to train between deployments. And he said the helicopters and other equipment they need are not available to units in the United States who are preparing to deploy.

Special operations forces "cannot indefinitely sustain current levels of overseas presence," said McRaven, who has been nominated to replace Adm. Eric Olson as commander of the U.S. Special Operations Command. "The resulting pressure on the force and our families is too great, and the pressure is creating a dramatic effect on our readiness."

He said the short breaks between deployments limit training in key language skills and the regional and cultural expertise that enable the commandos to work well in other countries. And he noted that most of the helicopters needed for training are either at the warfront or in maintenance, making it difficult for aircrews to hone their skills.

The lack of helicopters, aircraft and ships at bases in the U.S., he said, limits training on refueling, live bomb drops or dock landings.

McRaven's comments came in answer to questions from the Senate Armed Services Committee during a hearing Tuesday and in a written questionnaire obtained by The Associated Press. And they mirror, in part, observations made by Olson earlier this year, when he warned that the elite forces were "beginning to show some fraying around the edges."

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1 posted on 06/29/2011 4:27:17 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

I remember when Nancy Pelosi wanted to increase the number of special forces troops. Apparently, she thought all you had to do was issue them a colored beret.


2 posted on 06/29/2011 4:38:50 PM PDT by Malone LaVeigh
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To: Pan_Yan
the escalating demands on U.S. special operations forces are hampering their training and could slowly eat away at their combat readiness.

Well, they also have to worry if the object of their exercise is injured or killed, the Obama Administration will press charges, even if the job was a success.

3 posted on 06/29/2011 4:46:24 PM PDT by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Pan_Yan

Can’t operate when your spear is the same leash in your back held by a socialist polidiot wanting to profit from your death an or failures.

God bless all of our fighting men an women.

They will always be special to me.


4 posted on 06/29/2011 4:59:33 PM PDT by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Pan_Yan

Every real mission the Sec Ops people do is also a training mission and far more realistic than classroom exercises. If these soldiers were sitting idly for months at a time I could understand the training thing. But they aren’t, their engaged in what their paid to do.

Perhaps this goofy admiral thinks that training is more important than missions. Sounds about right coming from Navy senior brass.


5 posted on 06/29/2011 5:26:33 PM PDT by dools0007world (uestion)
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To: dools0007world

What??


6 posted on 06/29/2011 5:52:33 PM PDT by BookaT (My cat's breath smells like cat food!)
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To: BookaT

I am not sure what you’re getting at.

Would you say that a pilot should not train before gone into combat? What if they were dropping troops into combat, would you want to know they know how to get to where they are going and put the troops in the right location?

Of course you learn on combat missions but training and lots of it are why Spec Ops don’t lose more people in combat.


7 posted on 06/29/2011 5:57:25 PM PDT by BookaT (My cat's breath smells like cat food!)
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To: Pan_Yan
Vice Adm. William McRaven is a very unusual person, even for the SpecOps community.

I read his Naval War College thesis in the early 1990s where he developed a model that explained why SpecOps can achieve successes that far surpasses the size of forces committed to action. Later that thesis was reworked into an unclassified format and was published twice - once in hard back and again in paperback. Of all the books in my private SpecOps library, at one time over one hundred titles, it is the only one that I am constantly on the look out for on both the new and used markets.

As for his comments on the health of the force - he is expressing trends that I saw developing 16 years ago in AF Special Operations Command. Those trends got progressively worse and after September 11, 2001 everyone knew they would really get bad.

The root cause of the problem lays within the conventional forces of the DOD. After the end of Vietnam (1973) the REMFs in the Pentagon decided that we would never ever fight another war like Vietnam. This was in the face that there were some 25 - 30 mini-Vietnams scattered around the world at that time. In the 38 years since then there has only been two conventional operations in the world - both in the Middle East where the post-Vietnam theorists said there would be no conflict.

In 2008, the Joint Operation Environment stated that irregular warfare (aka Vietnam style conflict) would be the primary military threat to the US for the next 25 plus years because it was the only form of conflict that offered any possibility of success agents the US. Unfortunately three years after this approved major doctrinal statement the REMFs in the Pentagon are still buying weapon systems that have marginal use in the irregular warfare arena. there are too many military and civilian careers tied up in conventional warfare to do otherwise.

My final observation concerns the USAF. The uproar that accompanied the appointment of General Norman Schwartz's appointment as Chief of Staff has yet to die down - how dare an air lifter (he came up in the C-130 and Spec Ops communities) be appointed to Chief of Staff instead of some perfectly good fighter jock!

Enough said on this subject.

8 posted on 06/29/2011 6:33:14 PM PDT by Nip (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Nip

I don’t know much about this guy and I’m glad to get some feedback. Thanks for the input.


9 posted on 06/29/2011 6:40:41 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: dools0007world

I’m not sure the ‘combat as training’ is very doctrinally sound.


10 posted on 06/29/2011 6:41:27 PM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Pan_Yan

Sorry, Admiral, your words fall on deaf ears; do you really believe, in your wildest dreams, that King Obama gives a rat’s *ss?


11 posted on 06/29/2011 7:35:34 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer
From Ft Hood Memorial...thousand words...


12 posted on 06/29/2011 7:50:11 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: Daffynition

Shameful; absolutely and utterly shameful.


13 posted on 06/29/2011 8:07:04 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer

Isn’t that known as the crotch salute? We MUST get rid of him in 2012.


14 posted on 06/29/2011 8:26:42 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: Daffynition

That picture needs to go viral! When was it taken?


15 posted on 06/29/2011 9:11:52 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Daffynition

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_obama_non_salute.htm

Don’t know if this is true or not, but there are a number of pictures to support the assertions made at the link.

I’m posting it because I would rather make sure we’re right vs. wrong.

I question much, if not almost everything of what I see on the interwebz.

FRegards,
SZ


16 posted on 06/29/2011 9:24:47 PM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Sprite518

I received the photo in an email...I looked it up...possibly from this site, which I don’t particularly like... [Ft. Hood , Texas on Nov. 11, 2009.]

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/the-crotch-salute-returns/blog-312535/


17 posted on 06/29/2011 9:37:17 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: SZonian; Sprite518

Yep.

Anonymous said...

Both Snopes and ToF.com have already debunked this one. The short answer:

1) This wasn’t Ft. Hood, nor was it Veterans Day. This picture is 6 months old, taken at a Memorial Day service.

2) This picture is taken during the playing of “Hail to the Chief”. Obama is the one being saluted!

Of course, I know that last fact is what really drives wingnuts crazy.

http://myrightwingdad.blogspot.com/2009/11/fw-at-fort-hood-crotch-salute-returns.html


18 posted on 06/29/2011 9:40:14 PM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: Daffynition

Okay thanks!


19 posted on 06/29/2011 10:41:04 PM PDT by Sprite518
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To: Pan_Yan

Sorry, I’m not into doctrines. If we follow the Admiral’s argument—and doctrine—training is more important than fighting the existing and on-going war.

So what do you propose—curtailing spec. ops for a period of training? Of course, that would mean giving up the combat initiative wouldn’t it? Have you considered what the enemy would be doing during the lull in U.S. spec. ops? Do you think targets of opportunity will disappear while we’re in training mode? Spec. ops, by definition, are just that. They are designed to create or take advantage of opportunity. Who can predict when opportunity will come knocking?

Oh, and if I accept the Admiral’s premise is he telling me that every spec. op unit and soldier is engaged at the same time? If this is so, then the solution is to create more spec op units—not abate battle tempo.

Just a few thoughts on the matter.


20 posted on 06/30/2011 6:37:13 AM PDT by dools0007world (uestion)
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To: Daffynition

I’m no fan of “Il douche”, and yes, I’m one of those “wingnuts” who goes “batsh%*” crazy when I see him being accorded the honors.

I have to keep reminding myself that it’s the title/position that is being honored, not the POS who has the title.

FRegards,
SZ


21 posted on 06/30/2011 7:06:27 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: SZonian
Agreed.


22 posted on 06/30/2011 8:58:56 AM PDT by Daffynition ("Don't just live your life, but witness it also.")
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To: dools0007world

Just out of curiosity, were you ever in the military or even on a sports team?


23 posted on 06/30/2011 9:25:59 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (Those that despise people will never get the best out of others and themselves. Tocqueville)
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To: Pan_Yan

Ah, both. And war ain’t sports.


24 posted on 06/30/2011 5:44:16 PM PDT by dools0007world (uestion)
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