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Old College Try (Rick Perry & higher education)
Texas Monthly ^ | April 2011 | Paul Burka

Posted on 06/29/2011 4:27:55 PM PDT by Texas Fossil

Rick Perry is waging an undeclared war on higher education—in particular, on the state’s two flagship institutions, the University of Texas and his own alma mater, Texas A&M. He has delegated higher education policy to the Texas Public Policy Foundation, an Austin-based conservative think tank, which has produced an ideological blueprint for how the state’s universities should be governed. The objectives are accountability, transparency, and productivity. Several of the TPPF’s recommendations have already been put into practice at Texas A&M. UT has resisted so far, but the administrators I spoke with believe the battle is likely to be a losing one.

(Excerpt) Read more at texasmonthly.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: accountability; accreditation; college; perry
Huummm! odd concepts accountability and transparency applied to higher education.

Already been applied to A&M, but UT resists?

The author thinks this is a horrible thing Rick Perry is pushing, but I simply do not see the problem.

What do you think?

(Texas Monthly carries the state's name, but is far from representative of the citizen's attitudes. Much too liberal)

1 posted on 06/29/2011 4:27:58 PM PDT by Texas Fossil
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To: Texas Fossil
I deplore the state of America's univerities, but I don't think that politicians will improve it. This is big government for an ostensibly "good cause" and smacks of Romney. I've been mildly positive on Perry.

Now, I'm watching.

2 posted on 06/29/2011 4:31:29 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: Texas Fossil

Texas Monthly is produced by old hippies who graduated from UT in the 60s and who still think they are relevant, even though the rest of the state has utterly rejected their Leftist agenda. The GOP is governing the state with a super majority of 101 legislators, and the Democrats are powerless.

You can now subscribe to TM for $5/yr. Without ads on every page, they’d be out of business.


3 posted on 06/29/2011 4:39:39 PM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: BfloGuy

It’s not as if they are private Universities. This doesn’t apply to TCU, Baylor, SMU and the like, only state Universities.


4 posted on 06/29/2011 4:40:47 PM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: BfloGuy
smacks of Romney

How is this like Romney? I deplore Romney and all the big government insanity he represents.

Texas is nothing like Mass.

Rick, with all his warts, is no liberal. The state of "higher education" is as bad as you described, especially UT. "That bastion of liberalism", in the heart of Texas.

5 posted on 06/29/2011 4:40:52 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil
His evaluation of the work faculty members do is “writing academic articles that few people read.”

Higher Ed in a nutshell. Tenured faculty get paid to do nothing other than pen doodles on items no one cares about.

The reason higher ed academicians are so passionate when they discuss policy is because there is so little at stake.

6 posted on 06/29/2011 4:42:25 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: kittymyrib

Agreed, totally.


7 posted on 06/29/2011 4:43:01 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

You may be responding to a troll...


8 posted on 06/29/2011 4:45:49 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: freedumb2003

I agree with your statements. But there are good professors in both institutions.

UT is the seat of liberalism in the State of Texas.

That is why the old hippies at Texas Monthly see this as such a horrible development.


9 posted on 06/29/2011 4:55:22 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

Yeah, I just wasted some time this morning replying to a Dallas Morning News columnist who was dissing Perry because: well, that’s what the DMN does.

He said Perry had ticked off businessmen and UT and A&M supporters. I had to read this article to know what he was talking about.

The whole column was just vague insults with no names, just ‘some top businessmen’. I challenged him and he came up with one name, apparently a guy Bush gave a post to and Perry did not.

He seemed to feel or at least imply that colleges are sacred and should not be investigated or held accountable.

I disagree. I think they are over-rated and should be held accountable. They are expensive enough to withstand a little scrutiny. He is also questioning some of the research done at these colleges, about dang time.

So much research is either frivolous or trivial or driving by a desire to get a certain result.


10 posted on 06/29/2011 4:56:28 PM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry (for the best looking ticket ever))
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To: achilles2000

TNX


11 posted on 06/29/2011 4:56:55 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: altura

I meant Perry is questioning the research not the columnist a Wm. McKenzie by name.


12 posted on 06/29/2011 4:57:57 PM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry (for the best looking ticket ever))
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To: kittymyrib

the only place to read the Texas Monthly is in your doctor’s office.

Apparently the magazine supplies copies to doctors for free.


13 posted on 06/29/2011 4:59:27 PM PDT by altura ( Palin/Ryan---or Palin/Perry (for the best looking ticket ever))
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To: Texas Fossil

Because it costs money. Sandefer has written that academic research consumes two thirds of every dollar spent in American universities. Once the public sees how much more money is spent on research than on teaching, it will demand that spending on research be cut. This is why, to the UT brass, splitting budgets amounts to a frontal attack on the classic model of a research university. “Teaching and research are inextricably linked,” UT president Bill Powers told me. “Splitting the research and teaching budgets devalues the synergy between two essential components that are the essence of a world-class institution.”************

Strange how the university administrators and faculty don’t think the public who funds the university should be made aware of the way their tax dollars are being spent. Clearly the “classic model of a research university” is nothing more than a ruse designed to avoid any sense of accountability.

It’s well past time for higher education to get over the entitlement and elitist complex that characterizes the entire system.


14 posted on 06/29/2011 5:00:41 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: altura

We are on the same page.

I graduated from West Texas State, before it was absorbed by A&M. Surrogate Aggie, as I tell some people.

The culture of West Texas was very much like A&M “was”. Have no problem with that change.

Never liked or identified with UT. Much of Austin & UT are both black marks against the rest of the State in my opinion.


15 posted on 06/29/2011 5:02:11 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: altura

I read the article in the doctors office today. I took my son for an office visit and that was exactly why I saw the article. hee hee hee


16 posted on 06/29/2011 5:04:07 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: bereanway
It’s well past time

Yep, it is.

17 posted on 06/29/2011 5:06:42 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

Fossil, I completely agree with your assessment.

Regarding TM, I used to be a subscriber, but it turned in to such a liberal rag with no content except for ads that I told them to stuff it.

It became sooo predictable, the same old liberals good, conservatives bad attitude.


18 posted on 06/29/2011 5:11:01 PM PDT by davetex (All my weapons got melted by a meteor!! No Sh*t)
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To: BfloGuy

Texas Monthly has been raging against conservatives for almost 40 years. It’s a liberal rag, through and through - no liberal Democrat is left-wing enough for it. Anything it says, believe the precise opposite (i.e. its stringers will leave out important facts that refute the basic premises of their essays).


19 posted on 06/29/2011 5:12:04 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: bereanway
Once the public sees how much more money is spent on research than on teaching, it will demand that spending on research be cut.

It wouldn't surprise me if "research" budgets were slush funds spent on the academic staff's personal household projects. This is a massive boondoggle that needs pruning, and soon.

20 posted on 06/29/2011 5:16:34 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: kittymyrib
You can now subscribe to TM for $5/yr.

Where and how? Seriously.

21 posted on 06/29/2011 5:18:36 PM PDT by Texan
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To: normy
"It’s not as if they are private Universities. This doesn’t apply to TCU, Baylor, SMU and the like, only state Universities."


Exactly, if they receive taxpayer support, they need to be held accountable to the taxpayers.
22 posted on 06/29/2011 5:23:25 PM PDT by rob777
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To: Texas Fossil
Steve Perry, lead singer of Journey.
Well known, well liked.
Excellent record on forced vaccinations.



Joe Perry, lead guitarist of Aerosmith.
Well known, well liked.
No connection to the Trans Texas Corridor.



Matthew Perry, Friend.
Well known, well liked.
Unlikely to rush to push the Bilderberg agenda.




23 posted on 06/29/2011 6:21:44 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom

Hairwise, Rick beats ‘em all!


24 posted on 06/29/2011 6:23:21 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

Someone like Joe Perry, who has long black and white hair with a low hairline could have him beat. He would cut his hair, and could dye it to any color. You really don’t know these things. What would his hair look like shorter?


25 posted on 06/29/2011 6:27:26 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: BfloGuy
It's hard to take Perry serious when it comes to education issues. I was wondering why he wouldn't take a stand on No Child Left Behind, and with another trip to the Texas Governor's website, I'm no longer wondering.

Turns out that not only is Rick Perry a huge fan of George W's and Teddy Kennedy's No Child Left Behind program, Perry likes to brag that it's based on Texas schools:

Gov. Rick Perry and U.S. Secretary of Education Rod Paige announced today that Texas’ No Child Left Behind implementation plan has received federal approval. The approval clears the way for almost $400 million in new federal funding, moving the governor’s education plan a step closer to the classroom.

“Texas was a model for President Bush’s No Child Left Behind legislation, and we continue to lead the nation in innovative solutions to improve our schools,” Perry said. “The U.S. Department of Education’s stamp of approval means we can move forward with our plan to improve early childhood education, dropout prevention, teaching excellence, science education and our schools’ use of technology.”

On Jan. 8, Bush signed the No Child Left Behind Act, which authorizes federal education appropriations and increases the emphasis on accountability. Texas is set to receive $2.3 billion for K-12 education under the act, an increase of $397 million over the state’s current appropriation.

“When President Bush signed his No Child Left Behind bill into law, he made the federal government a strong ally of accountability, local communities and parents,” Paige said. “Our president believes there are no limits to what can be achieved when all Americans have the opportunity to learn and pursue their dreams.”


Why am I not surprised that Perry would be a big fan of a grab for power by the federal government.
26 posted on 06/29/2011 6:30:05 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: truthfreedom

Nobody can beat Rick’s overlapping parting of his hair in front.
How does he do it? It must be his beautician’s secret!


27 posted on 06/29/2011 6:30:44 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Revolting cat!

I have heard of Rick’s “good hair”. I have heard of Romney’s “good hair”. But I haven’t taken a very close look at Rick’s hair.


28 posted on 06/29/2011 7:03:16 PM PDT by truthfreedom
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To: truthfreedom
It is obvious you do not like Governor Rick.

Here is the deal. He had taken 3 really bone headed stances that I remember. GARDASIL, Trans Texas Corridor and supporting “Rudy” Giuliani for President.

Past that and his “good hair” he had done a lot of things that helped the State.

His family lives in my county. They were Dems until Rick changed parties. (I have always been registered and voted as a Republican) His family farms, they have always been fiscal conservatives. They have been in Haskell County a very long time, my family has been here since 1889.

I have never met Rick, but know his father and mother. I was a delegate at the Texas Republican Convention the year he was first elected to be Governor on his own. I voted for him then and voted for him each time he ran. And would do so again under the same circumstances.

If that displeases you, sorry.

29 posted on 06/29/2011 8:22:53 PM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

I agree with your sentiments, TF, but must disagree on specifics.

I don’t like UT anymore than you do. A snottier bunch of bloated mirror-gazers has never looked down its collective reading glasses at people who don’t fit the “correct” worldview. But the problem is public funding. Accreditation is just a barrier to entry and has given us the University of Phoenix and other edufactured disasters (I coined that term year ago in a book I copyrighted, but no one will publish it so it doesn’t matter much). The only reason why anybody bothers with accreditation is federal money. “Acccountability” and “transparency” sound grand until the person checking the books, looking inside the operation and writing the checks is a statist moron. The Trans-Texas Corridor convinced me that Perry is just that, a statist who cares not for the Constitution or anything else that can curb his power. As for his think tank, they would have everybody learn exactly the same material in exactly the same way because they are convinced that the content or subject matter of courses is unimportant: only process matters. Therefore, in their view, a monkey that initiates a class discussion about nuclear physics among a group of individuals randomly picked off the street has contributed more to society than has a Nobel laureate who delivers an inspiring lecture to college students. We have John Dewey to thank for that mindset.

The reason why so many UT professors publish drivel is because they receive no royalties from its dissemination. I have authored dozens of articles, too, but hardly anybody reads them. Half of them or so are really pretty good. Two were written about the potential of a particular agricultural crop for our state’s economy and were in response to a request from a banking executive for more information. It took a lot of data gathering and careful analysis to write those two separate articles. My co-author and I sent the links for the articles to the executive, but I doubt he even read them. Now, he might have read them had they appeared in a “top” tier journal such as those in which most UT professors publish. But a “top” journal in my field wouldn’t dream of publishing the articles (not sexy enough, referrees can’t understand them, etc) so we didn’t bother sending them there. We sent them where they could be disseminated in a period shorter than 2 or 3 years. Because of the long turnaround time in “top” journals and lack of breadth of understanding on the part of research school professors, originality or innovation need not apply. Now here’s the ironic thing: Both UT professors and Guv. Perry’s thinktank buds would roundly conclude that my research was crap because it didn’t appear in a venue they had heard of. Go figure . . .

The other half of the articles I’ve penned were thrown together so the school I was teaching at could keep its ACCREDITATION. Now I write only books. Sure, no one will likely ever read them, but at least they will have to pay me some royalties if they like my work enough to print it. The accreditors may not like it, but so what? (I got tired of having to pay royalties to “good” journals whenever I wanted to access my own articles. It was particularly tiresome because I received absolutely nothing in the way of royalties for my own work.)

The goal of the Texas republicans seems to be to reduce UT and TAMU into very large community colleges in which each student is taught exactly the same thing about each subject, probably by someone with Education credentials rather than expertise in the field. In fact, that seems to be the goal of the US Department of Education and state universities around the country. As a lifelong Republican, I shake my head in wonder: who is going to write those standardized textbooks and control the education agenda? It sure won’t be those who value freedom and small government.

Diversity of thought and research in higher education has been about the only thing that has kept conservatism alive in this country. Remember Lino Graglia? Freidrich Hayek? I could name several dozen more. If Perry and his “Republican” henchmen have their way you won’t have much in the way of conservative idealogy or teaching in our universities. It will all be the standard socialist line.

I thank God for the private university I teach at now, where the marketplace is the judge of what I teach and write. If I want that executive I mentioned earlier to read my work, then it is up to me to get off my tail and convince him. Governor Perry seems to be the unwitting architect of the plan for dismantling state universities. Even grad schools will be at the level of high schools with a few more iterations of government funding.


30 posted on 06/30/2011 7:41:57 AM PDT by mywholebodyisaweapon
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To: mywholebodyisaweapon
Now here’s the ironic thing: Both UT professors and Guv. Perry’s thinktank buds would roundly conclude that my research was crap because it didn’t appear in a venue they had heard of. Go figure . . .

...and they would probably be correct unless perhaps the research was in the hard sciences. Little does the world care or need research on the public's dime on the farting characteristics of a literary figure in the 1700's!

31 posted on 06/30/2011 8:02:18 AM PDT by RVN Airplane Driver
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