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Bachmann won't commit to 'Cut, Cap and Balance' pledge
CNN ^ | June 29, 2011 | Peter Hamby

Posted on 06/29/2011 6:44:09 PM PDT by ejdrapes

Bachmann won't commit to 'Cut, Cap and Balance' pledge
By: CNN Political Reporter Peter Hamby

Rock Hill, South Carolina (CNN) - Nearly every Republican presidential candidate has pledged to sign the "Cut, Cap and Balance" pledge to slash government spending, but U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann is not ready to commit.

Her reason? It doesn't go far enough.

The pledge, backed by more than 150 conservative groups and a dozen GOP Republican senators, demands that Congress not raise the debt ceiling unless it passes "substantial" budget cuts and spending caps along with a balanced budget amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney became the sixth GOP candidate to support the pledge on Wednesday.

Bachmann, though, said she wants it "to go a little further." She told a town hall audience in South Carolina that she wants to add "the full defunding of Obamacare" to the pledge first.

She revealed that U.S. Sen. Jim DeMint of South Carolina, a leading conservative backer of the pledge, had asked her to get on board.

She and DeMint had "a wonderful conversation" about the pledge during a phone call last week, Bachmann said. She only told him, though, that she "would take a look at it."

(Excerpt) Read more at politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com ...


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I'd love to defund Obamacare right now but it won't happen until we get him out of office.
1 posted on 06/29/2011 6:44:13 PM PDT by ejdrapes
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To: ejdrapes

No politician should sign pledges. It’s all show and worthless.


2 posted on 06/29/2011 6:45:44 PM PDT by magritte ("There are moments, Jeeves, when one asks oneself "Do trousers matter?")
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To: ejdrapes

Wow. The Communist News Network (CNN) is really afraid of her! Yes, not much can get done until Obama is thrown out of the Oval Office — cannot happen fast enough.


3 posted on 06/29/2011 6:47:24 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: ejdrapes

IMHO, it’s a huge strategic error to pressure all GOP candidates to commit to a rigid position, with no wiggle room on tactics. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.


4 posted on 06/29/2011 6:47:53 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: ejdrapes

So why not sigh and go farther on her own?

For many, pledges may well be for show but not to those who sign them with a sense of honor and decency.


5 posted on 06/29/2011 6:49:53 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: magritte

These pledges get ridiculous. Signing a pro life pledge is easy to hold firm on but others can be too restrictive.


6 posted on 06/29/2011 6:49:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: ejdrapes

She says that this pledge doesn’t go far enough. Fine, but then she should propose her own plan. It is easy to say that some pledge doesn’t go far enough, coming up with an alternative is hard.

She could also sign the pledge, and then say she will go further.


7 posted on 06/29/2011 6:54:25 PM PDT by ABQHispConservative (There are still some rinos left for 2012. Let's get them and the fake tea partiers!)
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To: ejdrapes

Delay Delay Bachmann
Rollins Bachmann
No Apology Bachmann
Cap and Trade Bachmann
“President Romney” Bachmann
IRS Agent vs Americans Bachmann

................. NO SALE


8 posted on 06/29/2011 6:59:05 PM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: ABQHispConservative
Neg, newb.

She came up with an alternative, gutting obamacare. Pledges are ways to let others choose your battleground. A good commander chooses his own ground.

/johnny

9 posted on 06/29/2011 7:00:54 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: ejdrapes
Maybe she'd sign a "Defund, Disband, and Demolish" pledge instead?

Apply it to the Departments of Education & Indoctrination,
Enviro-Whacko Procreation Agency,
Health & Human Subjugation,
Foreign Energy,
Commerce Clause,
Agri-business,
Interior Decorating,
Labor Union,
Homeland Insecurity,
Transporters,
Housing Bubble & Urban Decay, etc.

10 posted on 06/29/2011 7:02:18 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: ejdrapes
I'd love to defund Obamacare right now but it won't happen until we get him out of office.

Nonsense...

Attach a complete and inseparable Obamacare repeal to the debt limit... dump the whole smelly pile right into Harry Reid's lap...

Done deal.

11 posted on 06/29/2011 7:03:46 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you dropped your bow?")
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To: DTogo

I like yours better.


12 posted on 06/29/2011 7:11:45 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: ejdrapes

I agree with those that think the pledges are silly. Half of it is a way for the liberal media to say “she’s not conservative enough for you GOP primary voters”.


13 posted on 06/29/2011 7:13:33 PM PDT by toddausauras
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To: magritte
Thank you! This is all pandering to the voters. Look at me! I'm signing a pledge and he/she isn't! That makes me a better candidate! It is bordering on asinine. These stupid things are not legally binding so who cares.
14 posted on 06/29/2011 7:14:27 PM PDT by goodwithagun (My gun has killed fewer people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: cripplecreek

15 posted on 06/29/2011 7:25:56 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: DTogo

LOL nice.


16 posted on 06/29/2011 7:29:28 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: ABQHispConservative

She did, basically. Cut, cap and balance, but the cut includes defunding Obamacare.


17 posted on 06/29/2011 7:34:36 PM PDT by ejdrapes (Chris Wallace is a jerk)
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To: Diogenesis

Quit spamming nonsense.


18 posted on 06/29/2011 7:35:38 PM PDT by ejdrapes (Chris Wallace is a jerk)
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To: ejdrapes
"Her reason? It doesn't go far enough."

She's right.


19 posted on 06/29/2011 7:37:02 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in a thunderous avalanche of rottenness smelled across the universe.)
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To: ejdrapes; xzins; wmfights
The pledge, backed by more than 150 conservative groups and a dozen GOP Republican senators, demands that Congress not raise the debt ceiling unless .....

The key word is "unless". If they put a period after "ceiling", then I think she might sign it. The "unless" basically makes the pledge a useless symbol.

20 posted on 06/29/2011 7:40:36 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: P-Marlowe; Diogenesis

If it doesn’t include repealing Obamacare, then I agree with her.

Basically, if it’s something Mitt Romney can sign, then it ain’t conservative.


21 posted on 06/29/2011 7:44:31 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: ejdrapes
Her reason? It doesn't go far enough.

On the one hand, that's a lame excuse.
On the other hand, politicians should announce that they will sign no pledges and that their spoken promises and past actions can do their talking for them.
On the third hand, if Jim DeMint is behind a pledge and asks you to support it, then you support it, period.

Bachmann desperately needs new handlers.

22 posted on 06/29/2011 7:47:33 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: All; toddausauras
Pledges are just asking to be penned in and beaten over the head later by opponents for violating them.

Sign a "no new taxes" pledge? Replace the current tax system with a flat tax you've violated that pledge.

23 posted on 06/29/2011 8:53:47 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: All
How many of you have gone to the website and signed the pledge?

I pledge to urge my Senators and Member of the House of Representatives to oppose any debt limit increase unless all three of the following conditions have been met:

Cut - Substantial cuts in spending that will reduce the deficit next year and thereafter.

Cap - Enforceable spending caps that will put federal spending on a path to a balanced budget.

Balance - Congressional passage of a Balanced Budget Amendment to the U.S. Constitution -- but only if it includes both a spending limitation and a super-majority for raising taxes, in addition to balancing revenues and expenses.


24 posted on 06/29/2011 8:57:13 PM PDT by newzjunkey
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To: ejdrapes

On this issue, I cannot fault Bachmann.

The whole thing is just an attempt to cave in on holding the debt ceiling.

A meaningful pledge would be simply “We see no cause to raise the debt ceiling; cuts must be made to work within the already over-generous existing debt ceiling.”


25 posted on 06/29/2011 9:03:30 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: newzjunkey

A “balanced budget ammendment” would be insane.

It would simply give them more excuses to raise taxes.


26 posted on 06/29/2011 9:05:42 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Lancey Howard

Bachmann sure talks a though game, but when push comes to shove and she is put on the spot, she manages to find some excuse. While I suppose being too principled is one of the better problems a politician could have, the fact is, we need to take all this talk with a grain of salt.


27 posted on 06/29/2011 9:08:31 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: ABQHispConservative

>> “She could also sign the pledge, and then say she will go further.” <<

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No, none of them should sign any pledge that calls for a “balanced budget ammendment.”

It would in reality be a “guaranteed annual tax hike ammendment.”


28 posted on 06/29/2011 9:09:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

>> “we need to take all this talk with a grain of salt” <<

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Absolutely!

Its a smoke screen to let them do as they always have done and blame the devastating taxes on the public for wanting a balanced budget.


29 posted on 06/29/2011 9:12:39 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Michelle is the media flavor of the moment. Let’s see how long she lasts and how well she takes the heat. She obviously is making it easier for her liberal media critics to snipe at her. She needs to shore up her game or else she will be attached to the “not ready for prime time” tag.


30 posted on 06/29/2011 9:19:25 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: ejdrapes

Her reason? It doesn’t go far enough. “

Oh brother!

I was warming up to her, but obviously she lacks a simple component of logical thinking. A promise to do “X and Y” does NOT prevent you from doing “X and Y and Z”.

She can sign the pledge and sign another demanding repeal of obamacare.

repealing obamacare is about as unrealistic as the Democrat pipedream of raising taxes.


31 posted on 06/29/2011 10:41:10 PM PDT by WOSG (Herman Cain for President)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

“I’d love to defund Obamacare right now but it won’t happen until we get him out of office.

Nonsense...

Attach a complete and inseparable Obamacare repeal to the debt limit... dump the whole smelly pile right into Harry Reid’s lap...

Done deal. “

I agree that it would make a good negotiating tool, and I’d go for your plan, but it aint gonna be in the final product.

it could be used as a “mr president, you give up on tax hikes and we will give up on obamacare repeal” position.


32 posted on 06/29/2011 11:04:08 PM PDT by WOSG (Herman Cain for President)
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To: Lancey Howard

“On the third hand, if Jim DeMint is behind a pledge and asks you to support it, then you support it, period.”

I concur.


33 posted on 06/29/2011 11:13:30 PM PDT by onona (I stand with SARAH !)
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To: editor-surveyor
A meaningful pledge would be simply “We see no cause to raise the debt ceiling; cuts must be made to work within the already over-generous existing debt ceiling.”

NOPE. That is NOT meaningful. You havent done the math or you are advocating an instant 44% reduction in Govt spending, which is impossible since entitlements + debt payments alone are above that.

And no Republican is calling for such sudden and drastic spending, AND it would have to pass AS A BUDGET and not merely a refusal to increase the debt.

In the end, the cap cut balance pledge is the BEST we could do. We either do it or we will end up with a lesser result.

34 posted on 06/29/2011 11:16:26 PM PDT by WOSG (Herman Cain for President)
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To: WOSG
I agree that it would make a good negotiating tool, and I’d go for your plan, but it aint gonna be in the final product.

Then the debt limit stays right where it is and there is no money for it anyway.

35 posted on 06/30/2011 1:01:35 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you dropped your bow?")
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To: ejdrapes

That was NOT spam, you supporter-of-backstabbers.

It exposed your nonsensical RINO.

Don’t like that, do you, little RINO-lover?


36 posted on 06/30/2011 3:12:00 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: ejdrapes


37 posted on 06/30/2011 3:14:52 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Nothing surpasses the complexity of the human mind. - Leto II: Dar-es-Balat)
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To: Victoria Delsoul

The ‘it doesn’t go far enough’ reason is wearing a bit thin with me. Michele has said it numerous times on various occasions when she’s voted no.


38 posted on 06/30/2011 3:27:59 AM PDT by rintense (The GOP elite & friends can pound sand.)
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To: Diogenesis

More spam. Is that the only thing you’re good at?


39 posted on 06/30/2011 5:14:34 AM PDT by ejdrapes (Chris Wallace is a jerk)
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To: Diogenesis

You are seriously starting to become unhinged. Seek help.


40 posted on 06/30/2011 5:21:24 AM PDT by Pan_Yan
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

OK, my point has been that if you say “Then the debt limit stays right where it is” with a position that just wont go through the Senate, you end up giving a live hand grenade on Aug 2 to Obama administration. they will aborgate the power to do whatever necessary to make it most politically painful for the Republicans. Be careful where it lands.

The line in the sand for most on the Hill is “cut, cap and balance”. That’s a doable line in sand IMHO, and if Bachmann has a stronger view wrt Obamacare, then she should show her leadership chops by getting more folks on board that position. In other words, if I were there, I’d sign a “zero funds for obamacare” pledge.


41 posted on 06/30/2011 7:39:49 AM PDT by WOSG (Herman Cain for President)
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To: WOSG

Thanks for weighing in, Barack!


42 posted on 06/30/2011 10:29:20 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: P-Marlowe; ejdrapes; xzins
If they put a period after "ceiling", then I think she might sign it.

I just read on Red State that her reservation is she wants defunding of obamacare included as a precondition as well. I really like this candidate! She stays on target even with all the cheap shots from "conservative" commentators.

The "unless" basically makes the pledge a useless symbol.

I agree. I hate it when a "pledge" has loopholes.

43 posted on 06/30/2011 1:16:47 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: Victoria Delsoul; editor-surveyor
She needs to shore up her game or else she will be attached to the “not ready for prime time” tag.

How do you figure?

I remember her taking all kinds of heat when the Rats were running the House and she didn't back down. She has always been sharp on the facts and has a solid understanding of the budget. She is probably the toughest candidate we have.

She is refocusing the debate back to obamacare by not signing. A great tactical move. Let the "one" fight on that playing field.

44 posted on 06/30/2011 1:24:28 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: WOSG
they will aborgate the power to do whatever necessary

They have already done that with Libya - - and a whole bunch of other things like the "deemed to have passed" the House vote on Obamacare...

Some of the Republicans are like Charlie Brown with Lucy holding the football.

I don't think the debt limit should be raised at all... Let the NYSE eat German chocolate cake since the Germans own it now...

45 posted on 06/30/2011 4:47:10 PM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you dropped your bow?")
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To: wmfights; Victoria Delsoul

>> “She is probably the toughest candidate we have.” <<

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That one will never fly!

The only tough candidate we have is Palin.

Bachman talked a lot when the Dem majority assured that nothing she talked about had a chance of going anywhere.

Now that there is a GOP majority, she has crumpled up like a wilted daisy on the budget. She was one of the first to jump in on Boehner’s cave-in, and echoed his bragadosio about all the concessions we got, when the truth turned out that it was all fake but 34 million.

Bachmann is a paper tiger.

Cut, Cap, and Balance is nonsense, and I find no reason to chide her on that one; a balanced budget ammendment would be an enabler for Obamacare, and a guaranteed annual tax hike forever.


46 posted on 06/30/2011 5:57:43 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: editor-surveyor; Victoria Delsoul
The only tough candidate we have is Palin.

Okay, first she has not declared yet. If she does then she is in the field. Second, she has a huge weight around her neck. She quit as Gov. what's to say she won't do the same as POTUS?

Bachmann is a paper tiger.

I disagree. She has not quit while in office.

47 posted on 06/30/2011 6:17:25 PM PDT by wmfights (If you want change support SenateConservatives.com)
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To: wmfights

Sorry, I thought that you had some sense.


48 posted on 06/30/2011 6:57:45 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Going 'EGYPT' - 2012!)
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To: wmfights; editor-surveyor
I disagree. She has not quit while in office.

Bachmann has never held a Governor’s office and she doesn’t have executive experience. She is one of 435 Representatives and has never held an executive office. She talks big but backs off with excuses such as “it doesn’t go far enough” to avoid taking a strong stand.

Bachmann was largely a backbencher in the Congress until Sarah Palin surfaced as a national figure, and then she suddenly decided to elevate her status. She is a follower, not a leader.

49 posted on 06/30/2011 9:37:35 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: editor-surveyor

I agree with your post!!


50 posted on 06/30/2011 9:38:11 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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